Why did God create dinosaurs

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I agree. All life came from a common ancestor. God created the ancestor when the world had developed a safe and nourishing environment for it to grow in. At the proper time, God created a man and a woman from whom all humans have descended.
That is NOT what the maigisterium of the Catholic church, the fathers of the church, Lateran !V and all but modern theologians say and what science is now showing. Please reread my previous posts and the more accurate summary statement below:

“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in latin meaning “at once” in English, from Latern IV, AD 1215] 😃
 
Why did God create dinosaurs? Because he did. If you presume that God must explain himself, you’re going to be sorely disappointed. The Bible is a love story between God and humans. The history included is for an understanding of our failures, joys, and His grace. It’s not as an explanation of everything God does. You could ask yourself, “why did God create Satan when He knew what would happen?”. God loved Lucifer and created him out of love and service. It was Lucifer that spurned God’s love. Looking at the many actions of humans, it’s easier to wonder why God created and loves us so. We surely don’t deserve His love, yet He does eternally. I’m just thankful He did create us and loves us as He does. I don’t need to know why.
God didn’t feel it was important to share every detail of His plan. Our part is to trust in His wisdom and follow what He gives us. Maybe someday He’ll share with us the reasons for the age of dinosaurs. He left us plenty to do in the meantime.
MY FEELINGS exactly!

We all know the bible is part myth and part truth. The myth comes from us humans not being able to understand the acts of God. What does it mean to say the world was created in six days. As the movie “Inherit the Wind” says, how was a day measured when no one knows the length of the original day. THe beginning of time is a mystery to all be you of faith or not. The question does not shake my belief in God nor do the parts of the bible that read like fiction. The problem is reason is often lacking, here in the Catholic church and in other Christian churches.
 
One day future generations will look back at this time period and ask, How on earth did the people of that period believe in the fairy tale that said we have descended from a common ancestor?😉
Educated people accept the evolutionary interpretation of the evidence because it is more coherent. A sudden creation in six days has no scientific coherence.
 
That is NOT what the maigisterium of the Catholic church, the fathers of the church, Lateran !V and all but modern theologians say and what science is now showing. Please reread my previous posts and the more accurate summary statement below:
Philipp, the Church fathers and councils offer splendid theological insights. However, as prescientific, thinkers their opinions on biology are no more relevant than are their opinions on dentistry.
 
C-14 is reliable and accurate to about 60,000years.
That’s just the point and apparently it can’t be repeated often enough. C-14 dates for collagen and the calcium carbonate fraction of dinosaur bone bioapatite gave concordant C-14 ages for a Triceratops at 30,000 RC years and Hadrosaur femur bones at 23,000 years. Plus, dinosaur bone fragments from Texas to the North Slope of Alaska gave dates in the same range as well. See my previous posts for details.

So what does that mean? Go figure. The data is in the book entitled, Evolutionism: The Decline of an Hypothesis was released by the prodigious National Research Council of Italy on November 6th 2009 accompanied by a lot of rantings by some in academia, so visit www.kolbecenter.org for details.

Diamond which is a rock composed of 99% carbon gave C-14 dates of 55,000 to 80,000 C-14 years and it is supposedly 0.5 to 3.0 billion years old. Do you want the references?
Some AMS units can now reach 100,000 years with a degree of reliability

The there is another book that can’t be mentioned enough either and that is by another Catholic, Professor Larry Azar professor emeritus, RIP of of Iona College, USA.👍

God created dinosaurs because he wanted to and to perhaps to confound the scoffers of His word in the latter days as our first Pope suggested in Peter II :cool:

What does all that and the other papers in Physics, sedimentology radiometric dating and philosophy in that CNR book mean to the hypothesis you currently support and noted above? Go figure.😉 God bless and help you understand.🙂
 
How do you take such data to the academic world?..But you know very well that the censorship is complete and the atheists in the NCSE, I think it’s called, with the help of the ACLU make sure that if anyone even dares to teach anything but descent from a common ancestor or write a book against the Darwinian Sacred Cow they face the loss of their job and/or elimination of their career as several of my friends have suffered through in France and the USA. …Academia will not allow anyone on University campuses to speak to the students in a class room setting if they have any evidence against that sacred cow or the long ages that are needed to make it acceptable:)
Philipp,

(1) You have to have credentials in order to survive in the scientific world. You would probably need to earn a doctorate and assemble a research team and do the research to present your findings on Carbon 14 dating. However, you might find the American Scientific Affiliation congenial (I will be presenting a paper there this summer, in Washington D.C.). They are a group of scientists who are committed Christians, and they welcome papers from all members.

(2) I don’t know what you bean by “the atheists in the NCSE.” I have consulted with that organization, and they are a thoughtful group. I like the fact that they have a religion outreach dimension. The fact that they don’t share your version of religious faith does not make them atheists.

(3) Your claim that people lose their jobs or find their careers ended for writing against evolution is just plain false.

(4) Your claim that “Academia will not allow anyone on University campuses to speak to the students” about topics other than evolution is quite false, as we’ve had such speakers at my own Catholic university.

StAnastasia
 
Philipp, the Church fathers and councils offer splendid theological insights. However, as prescientific, thinkers their opinions on biology are no more relevant than are their opinions on dentistry.
They were all good observers like St. John Damacene who noted that “dragons” alias dinosaurs were real critters that laid eggs and could grow huge, had horns and he told folks in AD 750 that they were NOT ghosts.

With your theological background what are you doing making such comparisons against the church fathers by daring to compare them with making opinions on dentistry. Maybe the following will help the readers of this thread understand what some of the so-called scientists associated with the Vatican ignore and attempt to silence.

Anastasia keeps citing the Communion and Stewardship document as if it were a magisterial teaching of Pope Benedict. It is not. It is the statement of an advisory body which has no magisterial authority. It also suffers from many weaknesses, one of the greatest of which is the way that it embraces a uniformitarian philosophy of natural science that is completely at odds with Catholic tradition. The authors write:
63. According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the “Big Bang” and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life.

In this passage the authors forget almost 2000 years of Catholic theology and philosophy which carefully distinguished between the period of creation and the period of providence, and approve of wild extrapolations from present-day observations to conditions at the very beginning of creation allegedly 15 billion years ago. Thus, they are prepared to make a radical departure from the authoritative teaching of all of the Fathers, Doctors, Popes and Councils by restricting the creative action of God, in the strict sense, to the moment of the alleged Big Bang! What makes this even more disturbing is that the same authors were apparently completely unaware of the numerous expert scientists all over the world who reject the Big Bang hypothesis on purely scientific grounds. Even as Communion and Stewardship was being published and distributed, a document was posted on the internet whose signatories now number in the hundreds of professional scientists and engineers who reject the Big Bang hypothesis on scientific grounds. Here is the statement:

The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed―inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.

But the big bang theory can’t survive without these fudge factors. Without the hypo-thetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed, because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation.

Without some kind of dark matter, unlike any that we have observed on Earth despite 20 years of experiments, big-bang theory makes contradictory predictions for the density of matter in the universe. Inflation requires a density 20 times larger than that implied by big bang nucleosynthesis, the theory’s explanation of the origin of the light elements. And without dark energy, the theory predicts that the universe is only about 8 billion years old, which is billions of years younger than the age of many stars in our galaxy.

What is more, the big bang theory can boast of no quantitative predictions that have subsequently been validated by observation. The successes claimed by the theory’s supporters consist of its ability to retrospectively fit observations with a steadily increasing array of adjustable parameters, just as the old Earth-centered cosmology of Ptolemy needed layer upon layer of epicycles.

Yet the big bang is not the only framework available for understanding the history of the universe. Plasma cosmology and the steady-state model both hypothesize an evolving universe without beginning or end. These and other alternative approaches can also explain the basic phenomena of the cosmos, including the abundances of light elements, the generation of large-scale structure, the cosmic background radiation, and how the redshift of far-away galaxies increases with distance. They have even predicted new phenomena that were subsequently observed, something the big bang has failed to do.

Supporters of the big bang theory may retort that these theories do not explain every cosmological observation. But that is scarcely surprising, as their development has been severely hampered by a complete lack of funding. Indeed, such questions and alternatives cannot even now be freely discussed and examined. An open exchange of ideas is lacking in most mainstream conferences. Whereas Richard Feynman could say that “science is the culture of doubt,” in cosmology today doubt and dissent are not tolerated, and young scientists learn to remain silent if they have something negative to say about the standard big bang model. Those who doubt the big bang fear that saying so will cost them their funding.

Even observations are now interpreted through this biased filter, judged right or wrong depending on whether or not they support the big bang. So discordant data on red shifts, lithium and helium abundances, and galaxy distribution, among other topics, are ignored or ridiculed. This reflects a growing dogmatic mindset that is alien to the spirit of free scientific inquiry.

Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to big bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources, and all the peer-review committees that control them are dominated by supporters of the big bang. As a result, the dominance of the big bang within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory.

Giving support only to projects within the big bang framework undermines a fundamental element of the scientific method―the constant testing of theory against observation. Such a restriction makes unbiased discussion and research impossible. To redress this, we urge those agencies that fund work in cosmology to set aside a significant fraction of their funding for investigations into alternative theories and observational contradictions of the big bang. To avoid bias, the peer review committee that allocates such funds could be composed of astronomers and physicists from outside the field of cosmology.

Allocating funding to investigations into the big bang’s validity, and its alternatives, would allow the scientific process to determine our most accurate model of the history of the universe. [End of Open Letter] (emphasis added).

See www.cosmologystatement.org

Is it not remarkable that the authors of the ITT document do not even mention the variety of scientific opinion on this issue, or the possibility that the Big Bang hypothesis could be wrong? Isn’t this ipso facto proof that they did not do their homework in regard to the state of the scientific evidence? :mad:
 
The there is another book that can’t be mentioned enough either and that is by another Catholic, Professor Larry Azar professor emeritus, RIP of of Iona College, USA.)
Larry Azar at the time of this article was with the Philosophy Department of Iona College in New Rochelle, New York. He describes himself as a “philosophy teacher” and in the context of biology he calls himself an “outsider.”

Larry Azar was not a scientist, and has zero credibility in the scientific community.

“His question, “Isn’t this a circular argument?” is not a rhetorical question, it is a real one. Basically this article is a philosopher who is not an expert in the sciences asking a series of questions about biology including evolution in hopes that biologists would respond and clarify the issues for him. And they did exactly that. There were a number of letters to the editor on pages 208 to 209 of the April 1979 issue which also had an article in response called “Evolution: Help for the Confused” by Bradley T. Scheer on pages 238 to 241. In that article the quoted question was answered. The young-Earthers might as well quote questions asked by students to instructors in freshman classes as “evidence” for young-earth dogma. One thing to note it that this just another piece of evidence that there is no conspiracy to prevent those who question mainstream evolutionary ideas from getting their say.”

talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part5.html#quote5.3
 
Philipp, the Church fathers and councils offer splendid theological insights. However, as prescientific, thinkers their opinions on biology are no more relevant than are their opinions on dentistry.
For your information, dentistry and biology have not, are not, and will never be part of the Catholic Deposit of Faith.
 
For your information, dentistry and biology have not, are not, and will never be part of the Catholic Deposit of Faith.
Precisely. Which is why the early church fathers’ views on cosmology or biology are irrelevant.
 
So everyone from the NCSE is an atheist. When you make a claim like that you’re going to be asked to substantiate it.
Steve, Philipp’s anger is exceeded only by his ignorance of the people he denounces. I have worked personally with scholars from the NCSE, and while their organization is religiously neutral, by no means are they all atheists. I think Dr. Scott would term herself an agnostic, because she simply doesn’t see experience that leads her to belief in God. I have heard her speak on numerous occasions, and she strike me as warm, generous, and open to the religious beliefs of others.

StAnastasia
 
Educated people accept the evolutionary interpretation of the evidence because it is more coherent. A sudden creation in six days has no scientific coherence.
What is incoherent is to put the two sole parents of the human species in the same material and physical category as the universe and dinosaurs.

Yes, science should explore the origin of human anatomy as well as origin of the stars. But it is the spiritual, immaterial, immortal soul of humans which enables them to share in the life of their Creator. And with intellect and will, the powers of the spiritual soul, humans can choose eternal life of true love with God.

Even though the soul is beyond the natural science microscope, educated scientists cannot rule out its existence. This is because the methods and materials used in research are limited by assumptions, other possibilities, subjects of research, and the materialistic view which is the basis of empirical science.

Science, itself, gives earthly glory to the Creator. The Catholic Church teaches us how to remain with the Creator in glory forever.

Blessings,
granny

Human life is meant for eternal life.
 
Precisely. Which is why the early church fathers’ views on cosmology or biology are irrelevant.
The views of educated scientists regarding the two sole parents of the human species are relevant only to possible aspects of the material body. Their views on the non-existence of the spiritual soul are irrelevant. Divine Revelation, which leads the whole person, body and soul, to eternal life, trumps.

Blessings,
granny

Spring is a message of hope sent by the Creator of the world.
 
. But if you believe there is scientific merit to your arguments, and you want to make an impact, you really should take them to the academic world, rather than to these discussion threads. I’m a theologian, not a scientist; you need to make your case to working scientists.
StAnastasia
The case being made concerns some of the basic Catholic doctrines which according to “The Commissioning of the Disciples” Matthew 28: 16-20 are for all nations – discussion threads, theologians, and scientists included.

Blessings,
granny

The quest for truth is worthy of the adventures of the journey.
 
Educated people accept the evolutionary interpretation of the evidence because it is more coherent. A sudden creation in six days has no scientific coherence.
When science and God do not agree, guess who’s wrong??? Your statement should read, SOME educated people accept the evolutionary interpretation of the ‘evidence’ because it is more coherent to them!!! Don’t lump all educated people in the same basket. God Bless, Memaw
 
The views of educated scientists regarding the two sole parents of the human species are relevant only to possible aspects of the material body. Their views on the non-existence of the spiritual soul are irrelevant. Divine Revelation, which leads the whole person, body and soul, to eternal life, trumps.

Blessings,
granny

Spring is a message of hope sent by the Creator of the world.
If one doesn’t believe in “two sole parents of the human species”, (I prefer calling us “human beings”) then where does Adam and Eve come in, for them. And Original Sin, and God’s promise of the Redeemer and HIS Passion and death for our sin’s and Baptism and the Catholic Church He founded. And HIS promise that HIS Church would NEVER error and the Gates of Hell will NOT prevail against it. That’s where I put my Faith and trust. God Bless, Memaw
 
Precisely. Which is why the early church fathers’ views on cosmology or biology are irrelevant.
The Early Church Fathers were men of great Faith and it would do well for us to follow their example. God did not commission them to go out and become scientist, but to "go out and preach the Good News to all nations. God Bless, Memaw
 
When science and God do not agree, guess who’s wrong??? Your statement should read, SOME educated people accept the evolutionary interpretation of the ‘evidence’ because it is more coherent to them!!! Don’t lump all educated people in the same basket. God Bless, Memaw
Science and God do not agree. Young Earth Creationism is incoherent.
 
The Early Church Fathers were men of great Faith and it would do well for us to follow their example. God did not commission them to go out and become scientist, but to "go out and preach the Good News to all nations. God Bless, Memaw
They were indeed. This is why we invoke the fathers’ theological opinions, not their presecientific opinions on dentistry, electronics, cosmology, biology, or neuroscience.
 
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