Why Did God Create Gays?

[Prodigal_Son]

Not more faith than trying to wrap your head around why God would allow homosexuality to exist if He was so against it to be honest.

I wasn’t saying it involved *more *faith. I was saying that it involved faith. In your OP, you seemed to be saying that there was more evidence for the hypothesis of how evolution explains homosexuality than for other theories of why homosexuality exists. I was just pointing out that that particular (untestable) scientific hypothesis is based on faith – not on scientific evidence.

 

[cena]

Not more faith than trying to wrap your head around why God would allow homosexuality to exist if He was so against it to be honest.

I personally only like to accept an idea if their is enough evidence for it. And if there is enough evidence, it tends to be more ‘elegant’ in my mind as an answer to a question.

I think its strange to claim that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered”. I’ve tried to grapple on what basis we are making that claim. Do we not find it in nature across species and across time? It’s not as if some humans “chose” to be gay. And it’s not as if it’s unnatural (i.e. not found in the natural world)

God allows sins that go directly against Him (like blasphemy) because he wants us to have free will.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Cannibalism and murder has been practiced in the human world and animal world, does this make them natural? Not necessarily.

Sleeping, eating, having sex are natural things. We are tired because we need to sleep because our body needs to rest and repair itself. We get hungry because we need to eat to sustain ourself. We have sex because sex produces children and children keep the human race going.
What purpose do sexual actions achieve other than sexual gratification?

Sex is procreative and unitative, just to be clear. The Church allows those, who are married, who can’t produce children to have sex. Like the infertile, those who are already pregnant, women who have passed child bearing age, etc.
So, sex isn’t just for producing children and keeping the human race going. Just sayin’.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

If we are to believe that God created everything and everyone in His Infinite Wisdom, then why did He bother creating gay people?

If His plan was perfect and unblemished, then why create people who’s sexualities are described by the Church as being “disordered”? I’ve heard countless people say “Hate the sin, not the sinner.”

 

[Kurisu35712]

Then why give us free will in the first place? If God knew we were going to screw it up? Why even put a tree of knowledge to tempt us with in the Garden of Eden? Why give us rules he knows we’d disobey that would lead to the current state of the world? If anything, not giving us free will and forcing us to believe in him makes more sense if he’s all knowing and all good and trying not to let the world fall to pieces.

If it was a choice, then we’d have to come to grips with the fact that God was okay with letting this world be as horrible as it is.

Others have addressed the part regarding free will. I wanted to add the point that it isn’t God who allows the world to be as horrible as it can be at times. We are the ones who allow that. Starvation, poverty, loneliness. These are all problems that we allow to happen, and are problems that we could solve. God has given us the free will to choose good or evil. Collectively we are all capable of doing good. Collectively we are also able to do wrong to each other. We’ve been given the capacity to fix our own problems as humans, together. And for the most part, they’re problems that we brought upon ourselves. People starve because others are greedy, or are lonely because others don’t seem to care. It was a choice given to us, and we chose to hurt ourselves and others. God chose to save us.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Sex is procreative and unitative, just to be clear. The Church allows those, who are married, who can’t produce children to have sex. Like the infertile, those who are already pregnant, women who have passed child bearing age, etc.
So, sex isn’t just for producing children and keeping the human race going. Just sayin’.

So what is the purpose of sex? Just askin’

 

[Emily2014]

God created us all. We are all equally loved by God our Loving Father.
I cannot understand the apparent fixation with homosexuality throughout this forum or the condemnation of those who follow that path. In some threads I’ve even seen the gay lifestyle compared to paedophilia. No-one has the right to criticise or condemn the private lives of other consenting adults and certainly not to label them as “sinners”. To paraphrase a well known saying - “Let us be very sure to remove the beam from our own eye before presuming to poke about for specks in those of other people.”

 

[cena]

Sex is procreative and unitative, just to be clear. The Church allows those, who are married, who can’t produce children to have sex. Like the infertile, those who are already pregnant, women who have passed child bearing age, etc.
So, sex isn’t just for producing children and keeping the human race going. Just sayin’.

Yes, you are correct that is not its sole purpose.

In homosexual actions no matter what age, how fertile you are, etc. you cannot produce children naturally.

 

[cena]

God created us all. We are all equally loved by God our Loving Father.
I cannot understand the apparent fixation with homosexuality throughout this forum or the condemnation of those who follow that path. In some threads I’ve even seen the gay lifestyle compared to paedophilia. No-one has the right to criticise or condemn the private lives of other consenting adults and certainly not to label them as “sinners”. To paraphrase a well known saying - “Let us be very sure to remove the beam from our own eye before presuming to poke about for specks in those of other people.”

We can judge if an action is right or wrong, especially if it is a gravely sinful one. We can condemn actions.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

So what is the purpose of sex? Just askin’

The Church states that it is procreative and unitive. I think I said that. If the only moral purpose for sex was to make babies, then it would be sinful to have sex and not produce children.

What I said isn’t wrong and doesn’t go against church teaching. I was just reminding the other poster that it isn’t just to keep human race going.

Let’s not derail the thread. If you are more curious, start a new thread.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

The Church states that it is procreative and unitive. I think I said that. If the only moral purpose for sex was to make babies, then it would be sinful to have sex and not produce children.

What I said isn’t wrong and doesn’t go against church teaching. I was just reminding the other poster that it isn’t just to keep human race going.

Let’s not derail the thread. If you are more curious, start a new thread.

Procreation plays an important part in this subject.

The Church does not claim that it is sinful to have sex and not produce children. The Church encourages married couples to enjoy sex even if they are past the reproductive years or are infertile through no fault of their own.

So I ask again…if you say that sex “isn’t just to keep human race going”…then what is it for?

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Let’s not derail the thread. If you are more curious, start a new thread.

Procreation plays an important part in this subject.

The Church does not claim that it is sinful to have sex and not produce children. The Church encourages married couples to enjoy sex even if they are past the reproductive years or are infertile through no fault of their own.

So I ask again…if you say that sex “isn’t just to keep human race going”…then what is it for?

 

[johnnyt3000]

Evolution and Darwinism are the seeds of atheism. Evolution was discovered in a time period when satan was preparing unleash his worst for humanity. 1884, Pope Leo XIII heard the conversation himself. Connect everything else that was developing to destroy to try to destroy the Church. Put it all together people, you mean to tell me evolution is a valid source? Karl Marx and Stalin loved the theory of evolution.

Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history. One has to put up with the crude English method of development, of course. Despite all deficiencies not only is the death-blow dealt here for the first time to ‘teleology’ in the natural sciences, but their rational meaning is empirically explained.

• Karl Marx

It is known that Stalin was in Tiflis theological seminary, but once he started reading darwin, he became an atheist.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

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Originally Posted by KendraDZ1902 View Post

OK, let’s try it this way:

Why Did God Create Gays?

God did not create gays. He created normal men and women. Gays are men and women who behave in an abnormal way, That was not God’s idea. He gave men and women the ability to reproduce for the sake of PROCREATION. That is the purpose and ONLY reason sexual relationships exist.

 

[cena]

OK, let’s try it this way:

Why Did God Create Gays?

God did not create gays. He created normal men and women. Gays are men and women who behave in an abnormal way, That was not God’s idea. He gave men and women the ability to reproduce for the sake of PROCREATION. That is the purpose and ONLY reason sexual relationships exist.

Sex can have the unity of the couple but it must be open to life (no contraception, homosexual acts, etc.).

 

[JamalChristophr]

So what is the purpose of sex? Just askin’

Humana Vitae, if I’m correct says it’s about two things:

1. Babies.
2. Bonding
   (strengthening that divinely approved marrital union between spouses ((man and woman)))

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Humana Vitae, if I’m correct says it’s about two things:

1. Babies.
2. Bonding
   (strengthening that divinely approved marrital union between spouses ((man and woman)))

Very good. Bonding is important. It is a step towards making babies.

From a non-religious point of view any intelligent reasonable person would agree that the purpose of sexual intercourse is procreation (babies)

 

[kozlosap]

Evolution and Darwinism are the seeds of atheism. Evolution was discovered in a time period when satan was preparing unleash his worst for humanity. 1884, Pope Leo XIII heard the conversation himself. Connect everything else that was developing to destroy to try to destroy the Church. Put it all together people, you mean to tell me evolution is a valid source? Karl Marx and Stalin loved the theory of evolution.

• Karl Marx

It is known that Stalin was in Tiflis theological seminary, but once he started reading darwin, he became an atheist.

You realize, of course, that evolution is not against the teachings of the Church? We, are so blessed not to be Young Earth trogs.

 

[kozlosap]

Very good. Bonding is important. It is a step towards making babies.

From a non-religious point of view any intelligent reasonable person would agree that the purpose of sexual intercourse is procreation (babies)

Unless, of course, you are not interested in having children or are sterile or old (like me).

 

[jmcrae]

So what is the purpose of sex? Just askin’

To unify the husband with his wife in a perfect embrace, so as to become one flesh - so one, at times, that they will have to think of a name for him, and buy him some clothes and a crib.