Why Did God Create Man and the Demons if He Knew They Would Disobey Him?

[tamedlion]

You gave someone change. Your reward was doing a deed out of selflessness. While yes life for a certain crime is a punishment it isn’t equivalent to infinite. Life is finite so a life sentence is a finite punishment to a finite crime. Tell me how can say not going to church on a day of obligation, like tomorrow, have a “just” punishment of hell? How could not believing or worshiping another faith be a crime worthy of eternal punishment?

How is doing a deed out of selflessness a reward? If anything was more like a punishment because that guy got me mad and SKEPTIC about giving to anybody else. He blew the humanism out of me for a long time.
The only way God would be unjust to you or anybody else would be if He wouldn’t have let you know how to get to heaven or avoid hell. He could have made you a robot but Instead gave you free will and lots of information so you can use it. It’s all up to you!

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Please don’t cite the gospels because those were writing well after the accounts claimed in them.

Forgive me for asking, but why do you only cite the small parts of the Gospel that refer to eternal torture?

Think about this. If the plan was for Yeshua to die on a torture device just so Yahweh to be able to forgive why not skip the dying and just forgive?

You are right, God could say your sins are forgiven, and they would be forgiven. So Jesus dying on the cross was not for God’s benefit it was for ours in some way. It is easy for a preacher or a prophet to talk about forgiveness, if they have little to forgive themselves.

So if Jesus had just talked about forgiving your enemy, that is just a bunch of words from another prophet. If Jesus suffered and died, but also said to forgive those responsible, that is showing us by example.

The majority of problems on this earth are because there are barriers between us and our neighbours, we cannot love them as we love ourselves. We need to forgive in the same kind of way that Jesus forgave. We need to see more justice for the poor and oppressed, and show mercy, in the same way that Jesus showed mercy.

 

[steve_b]

Okay maybe we are missing each other. The Jewish people believe the first sin was Cain killing Abel. The eating of the fruit means nothing to them.

Do you have a reference for the thinking of those Jews?.

I ask because Jews were split into factions in the first century. Jesus and His apostles, AND all the converts who followed them in the beginning to Our Lord’s Catholic Church, were ALL Jews. Not till later was salvation opened up to the Gentiles, (us)

Judaism continued but splintered into factions

Kate:

That was my point. My other point was why have a tree of eternal life around? Seeing that if they would not have eating from the tree of knowledge they would have eternal life. Maybe they were meant to die anyway.

It’s the tree of good and evil.
Genesis 2:9 ,Genesis 2:17

Kate:

My point is Yahweh knew that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit and fail the test. God is all knowing after all correct?

Yes

Kate:

So either we are predestined on going to certain afterworld places because god already knows and created people that way or god isn’t all knowing

Your understanding of predestination is a popular one but isn’t correct.
catholic.com/encyclopedia/predestinarianism