Why did God create such a large universe?

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I don’t understand that if we as humans are probably the greatest piece of creation God has made when we consider that He sent His only Son to save us, and perhaps the centrepiece of creation so to speak, (maybe along with the angels), what is the meaning of us existing in such a large universe.

I mean what is it all for? There are all these unknown planets and stars (most of which are uninhabitable), blackholes etc that the human race will never see, and it seems really unrelated to the livelihood and salvation of man.

I think we agree that the creation of the universe doesnt increase the glory of God or that He cares about proving that He could create such a large creation. I think we also agree that after we die, I dont think we will be spending our time looking at all the planets etc, hopefully we will be with God and have eternal and true peace.

Also, if its true that there are dimensions in the universe, I can’t see why God would create such a large and complex creation for us, if this place was only intended to be a temporary home.

In conclusion: was the universe created for another reason besides us?
 
Presuming that the Universe was created only for the purpose of being a temporary home for man to prepare ourselves for heaven, how small should God have created it, and why?
 
For starters, whats the point of the rest of the solar system besides the sun and the moon?
 
MH84 said:
I think we agree that the creation of the universe doesnt increase the glory of God or that He cares about proving that He could create such a large creation. I think we also agree that after we die, I dont think we will be spending our time looking at all the planets etc, hopefully we will be with God and have eternal and true peace.
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I believe that God gave us things to look at, appreciate, and stand in awe of. Just so we could say “God, what a glorious universe you have created.” The more you look, the more you see. The more you understand, the less you understand. It puts in better perspective that God is God and we are not. And also that God is the creator and we are not.

Properly observed it tends to push us to a proper frame of mind - total humility before God.

IMO.
 
ricmat said:
I believe that God gave us things to look at, appreciate, and stand in awe of. Just so we could say “God, what a glorious universe you have created.” The more you look, the more you see. The more you understand, the less you understand. It puts in better perspective that God is God and we are not. And also that God is the creator and we are not.

Properly observed it tends to push us to a proper frame of mind - total humility before God.

IMO.
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The problem is the more people explore the universe and learn more about it, the more people tend not to believe in God or head towards agnosticism.
 
Hi MH84,

I’ll offer my thoughts, for what they’re worth.
MH84 said:
I think we agree that the creation of the universe doesnt increase the glory of God or that He cares about proving that He could create such a large creation.
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I agree too. But the universe does manifest the glory of God. I think that’s a highly significant difference.
MH84 said:
I think we also agree that after we die, I don’t think we will be spending our time looking at all the planets etc, hopefully we will be with God and have eternal and true peace.
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I’m not so sure about that. Is it possible that part of the Beatific Vision – apprehending God directly and the things in the mind of God – would include the wonders of the universe? I think it could.
MH84 said:
Also, if its true that there are dimensions in the universe, I can’t see why God would create such a large and complex creation for us, if this place was only intended to be a temporary home.
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I’ve always understood this as the “scandal of particularity.” Why of all the people in the world at the time did God reveal himself to the nomad Abraham? Why, of all the possible peoples of the world, did God covenant with the Jewish people? Why of all the Jewish people did God choose a young girl in Nazareth “least of the cities?” Why of all the planets in the universe did God choose our little planet to enact this divine drama?

Maybe the more there is of something the more remarkable the particulars are?
VC
 
MH84 said:
The problem is the more people explore the universe and learn more about it, the more people tend not to believe in God or head towards agnosticism.
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Not necessarily, my experiences suggest differently. This is not to say that atheism and agnosticism do not exist among persons who study and learn about the universe, but that those persons would probably have been just as atheistic or agnostic if they had not studied this.

By the way, you haven’t answered my question yet:
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MH84:
…I can’t see why God would create such a large and complex creation for us, if this place was only intended to be a temporary home…
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Then how large and complex a universe could you see God creating to be a temporary home for us, and why?

I’m not saying that this is God’s only purpose in creating the universe, but I’m interested in your thoughts. So if the actual size or complexity of the universe presents a problem for you in thinking that the universe was created solely for our temporary good (not that I’m saying it is), at what level of size or complexity would this cease to be a problem for you to think about this, and why?

Myself, I often think that the universe ought to be much, much more complex than we can perceive it to be, although I can accept that increasing speeds approaching c of receding galaxies and other cosmic phenomena as their distance from us increases, can impose a limit on the size of our universe as we can perceive and measure it.
 
MH84 said:
The problem is the more people explore the universe and learn more about it, the more people tend not to believe in God or head towards agnosticism.
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Well, that didn’t happen in my case. Personally, I think there’s a point at which scientists, full of themselves, full of hubris and arrogance, believe they know everything, or will soon know everything.

But as I said, the more you “know”, the more you find out what you don’t know. And eventually you reach the point at which all that can be said is “God, what a glorious universe you have created.”

So I’m all for figuring out the universe, to the best of our scientific and artistic capabilities, because such knowledge can help us know and appreciate the glory of God. And if you don’t get to that point by “knowing” more, eventually you’ll get there by realizing that you know almost nothing.

Those lacking humility take the longest, however.
 
Imagine if the universe was much simpler and centered around us, like the ancients pictured it, with the earth sitting on foundations in the firmament, and God above the dome in the sky. What would we do? We would do like Nimrod did with the tower of Babel, we would build a tower up to that dome and be with God.

If there was just one star, the sun, and one planet, the earth, we would have already sent a probe to the edge of the solar system to see what was there. When we came to the wall, we’d blow a big hole in it to see what was beyond. What would be past the edge of the universe? Would God be there? It would all just be so stupid and fake.

God made the universe infinite because He foresaw the logical contradictions of space coming to an end with a big wall. God is too intelligent to design things like we would.
MH84 said:
I don’t understand that if we as humans are probably the greatest piece of creation God has made when we consider that He sent His only Son to save us, and perhaps the centrepiece of creation so to speak, (maybe along with the angels), what is the meaning of us existing in such a large universe.

I mean what is it all for? There are all these unknown planets and stars (most of which are uninhabitable), blackholes etc that the human race will never see, and it seems really unrelated to the livelihood and salvation of man.

I think we agree that the creation of the universe doesnt increase the glory of God or that He cares about proving that He could create such a large creation. I think we also agree that after we die, I dont think we will be spending our time looking at all the planets etc, hopefully we will be with God and have eternal and true peace.

Also, if its true that there are dimensions in the universe, I can’t see why God would create such a large and complex creation for us, if this place was only intended to be a temporary home.

In conclusion: was the universe created for another reason besides us?
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Well since we are speculating. I see it this way. I think God created the universe in the size and breadth he did because he knew mathmatically how large it would need to be for live to evolve in lots and lots of places. When such life did arise, and became sentient, they were endowed with a soul and a relationship began. I kind of see Jesus as a cosmic hitchhiker, traveling the cosmos visiting the latest planet where life has evolved to a sufficient degree to need a little help in heading in the right direction. So no, I don’t see us as the most evolved, or the first or last, just some where in line in the outskirts of the milky way. The fact that the size helps us to be in awe of this magnificant creator is just cream on the top!
 
SpiritMeadow said:
Well since we are speculating. I see it this way. I think God created the universe in the size and breadth he did because he knew mathmatically how large it would need to be for live to evolve in lots and lots of places. When such life did arise, and became sentient, they were endowed with a soul and a relationship began. I kind of see Jesus as a cosmic hitchhiker, traveling the cosmos visiting the latest planet where life has evolved to a sufficient degree to need a little help in heading in the right direction. So no, I don’t see us as the most evolved, or the first or last, just some where in line in the outskirts of the milky way. The fact that the size helps us to be in awe of this magnificant creator is just cream on the top!
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Did Jesus possibly mention his alien followers in John 10:16?
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
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because He can.
yes it is created for our delight, to challenge us, amaze us, and demonstrate is unlimited awesome power, good enough reason for me
 
MH84 said:
I don’t understand that if we as humans are probably the greatest piece of creation God has made when we consider that He sent His only Son to save us, and perhaps the centrepiece of creation so to speak, (maybe along with the angels), what is the meaning of us existing in such a large universe.

I mean what is it all for? There are all these unknown planets and stars (most of which are uninhabitable), blackholes etc that the human race will never see, and it seems really unrelated to the livelihood and salvation of man.

I think we agree that the creation of the universe doesnt increase the glory of God or that He cares about proving that He could create such a large creation. I think we also agree that after we die, I dont think we will be spending our time looking at all the planets etc, hopefully we will be with God and have eternal and true peace.

Also, if its true that there are dimensions in the universe, I can’t see why God would create such a large and complex creation for us, if this place was only intended to be a temporary home.

In conclusion: was the universe created for another reason besides us?
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to keep the mathematicians and physicists happy, if they wern’t busy fiddling with that they’d go out side and regular people might have to associate with them:eek:

It’s like logicians and paradox’s

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What makes you think that the universe is large? Might it not be that we are extremely small?

Matthew
 
MH84 said:
I don’t understand that if we as humans are probably the greatest piece of creation God has made when we consider that He sent His only Son to save us, and perhaps the centrepiece of creation so to speak, (maybe along with the angels), what is the meaning of us existing in such a large universe.

I mean what is it all for? There are all these unknown planets and stars (most of which are uninhabitable), blackholes etc that the human race will never see, and it seems really unrelated to the livelihood and salvation of man.

I think we agree that the creation of the universe doesnt increase the glory of God or that He cares about proving that He could create such a large creation. I think we also agree that after we die, I dont think we will be spending our time looking at all the planets etc, hopefully we will be with God and have eternal and true peace.

Also, if its true that there are dimensions in the universe, I can’t see why God would create such a large and complex creation for us, if this place was only intended to be a temporary home.

In conclusion: was the universe created for another reason besides us?
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Large as compared to what? Perhaps to God the universe in infentesimally small
 
Leopard said:
Then how large and complex a universe could you see God creating to be a temporary home for us, and why?
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I thought I answered this: I think that if we are the head of Gods creation (we might not be), God could have made creation just “big enough” for temporily living in by just creating the Earth and “a light to rule the day and a light to rule the night”.

Why?

I don’t know, thats why Im asking. 🙂

Ok, guys what about this. Don’t you think that people are now too focused on looking at the world beyond us so to speak, and not enough on God and on our worship of HIm. I can’t see how the enormity of the universe (compered to us) promotes the centrality of Jesus and His mission.
 
MH84 said:
…I think that if we are the head of Gods creation (we might not be), God could have made creation just “big enough” for temporily living in by just creating the Earth and “a light to rule the day and a light to rule the night”…
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You’re right, God could have done that, but God created a universe for us, not an aquarium.
MH84 said:
…I can’t see how the enormity of the universe (compered to us) promotes the centrality of Jesus and His mission.
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Neither does the wetness of water or the greenness of grass promote the centrality of Jesus and His mission. Not everything does. Why should we expect it to?
 
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