Why did Jesus abandon Virgin Mary after His Resurrection?

[Benadam]

I think this is the flight into Egypt and then what happened to her after the Resurrection with John. This could also be her life before Jesus’ hour.

Rev 12

Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule[a] all the nations with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God and to his throne; 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for one thousand two hundred sixty days.

I think this is after the resurrection and more detail about her time with John. John is symbolized as an Eagle in ancient Tradition.

Rev 12-

So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued[d] the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to her place where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15

She wasn’t abandoned but protected and nourished. For what? I think to prepare her for her role as Mother of the Church. in heaven with Jesus.

 

[lilypadrees]

I’m sorry you feel she was abandoned by her Son. I’ve never felt that way.

We may not see much of her after Jesus left her in the beloved disciple’s care. I always felt she was present and consulted in matters since was His mother.

 

[Techno2000]

The Assumption took place years after Jesus’s Resurrection. Why did he abandon her here on earth all this time? The Apostles had their job and she did not attend the first Synod they held so she obviously had no job from Him anymore after the Descend of the Holy Spirit.
Some historical data show she was not popular with the rabbis and hence her own people and community. So she must have lived a sad lonely life.
Why did He abandon her?

http://themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm

 

[SeriousQuestion]

Suffering is very beneficial and is probably one of the most meritorious things out there.

 

[PennyinCanada]

You are making assumptions.
When the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary and said Hail, full of grace! she said “What kind of greeting is this?”
That suggests, to me, that she seemed to be accustomed to seeing angels, because she wondered about the greeting and didn’t seem to be shocked and terrified at seeing an angel. If someone was writing down what happened to me when an angel appeared to me, it would go something like… she dropped to her knees and put her face on the ground and shook with fear of such a sight.

We have no idea what kind of consolations she had during her life or after Jesus’ resurrection. She had a pure heart and pure soul.

 

[SeriousQuestion]

In some private revelations it is believed that MAry often conversed with the angels.

 

[phil19034]

The Assumption took place years after Jesus’s Resurrection. Why did he abandon her here on earth all this time? The Apostles had their job and she did not attend the first Synod they held so she obviously had no job from Him anymore after the Descend of the Holy Spirit.
Some historical data show she was not popular with the rabbis and hence her own people and community. So she must have lived a sad lonely life.
Why did He abandon her?

Wow, really? Jesus hardly abandoned His mother. I can’t believe you are actually getting that from the Scriptures.

While she didn’t need “a job,” as you call it, she actually did have one. She was/is “Mother of the Church.” Mary was interviewed plenty by Mark, Matthew, Luke and John when they wrote their Gospels.

The Council in Jerusalem was around 50 AD. While the Scriptures don’t say whether she was there or not, she may have been in town. Or John may have stayed back. Regardless, Mary would have been in her 60s or 70s by the time of the Council of Jerusalem. Without modern transportation, that would have been a brutal commute from Ephesus to Jerusalem back them for a 60/70 year old.

She was living in Ephesus for most of her life after Jesus’s Ascension. Ephesus has a pretty large Christian community… hence, the Epistle to the Ephesians.

Somehow, I kind of doubt that the Mother of Jesus was not popular with the Christian Community in Ephesus.

Finally, for you to claim that she must of had a sad, lonely life is just wrong. Are you implying that every single mother who out lives her child is destined to have her remaining life be sad and lonely? This is very pessimistic and presumptuous of you.

I suggest you pray a lot on this.

God bless

 

[phil19034]

Since she already gave birth to the Son of God, if God so wanted that she increases her merrits (what could be greater than giving birth to Christ) then He wanted her to be known and venerated. Otherwise He would have taken her with Him from the start.

Jesus wanted the others to learn how to love God from her. She was the perfect disciple

 

[Dan_Defender]

The Council in Jerusalem was around 50 AD. While the Scriptures don’t say whether she was there or not, she may have been in town. Or John may have stayed back. Regardless, Mary would have been in her 60s or 70s by the time of the Council of Jerusalem.

There is also the possibility she might have died before the council. In those days, people did not live long.

 

[LaughingBoy1503]

Abandon?

The needs of the few do not outweigh the needs of the many. Jesus had to ascend and take his place again. Mary was taken care of, he entrusted her to St John who was the only apostle never martyred. Seems Jesus knew what he was doing. I’m sure she missed him being physically there but sadness is part of the human condition. You are drawing conclusions on speculation, there is no reason at all to assume Mary was not liked. You think the Christian’s did not know who she was?

I would not worry about it. God knows better then us

 

[VeryBlessed]

I just wanted to add this to the discussion, that no one who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them is ever abandoned by Jesus - and Mary certainly had the Holy Spirit within her in a special & profound way. Of course, the truly beautiful thing about the Holy Spirit, is that we have the fullness of the Trinity with us all the time. I used to be jealous of the people who lived in Jesus’ time, because they got to see him and hear him. But in that time he was a man caught in time and space, he had to sleep, if he was in Capernum he couldn’t be in Jerusalem or Bethlehem. But now, with his holy spirit within me always, he is my constant companion. You could argue that Jesus was with Mary far more than he ever was, after his assumption and before hers. Jesus knew what he was saying when he said, “It is better for you if I go away”. We live in blessed times.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Let me ask you, does a man abandon his family when he goes away to serve his Country or onto the mission field?

 

[Mary888]

Jesus is one with the Father who is omnipotent. The comparison does not stand imho.

 

[CelticWarlord]

Just because nothing is written about her in those years, doesn’t mean she was left alone. I’ll bet Jesus visited her every day. just sayin.

My thought as well.

 

[Mary888]

It wasn’t a pregnancy like.all women have because all ither women give birth to sons of Adam not sons of God.
But I hear you that the narrative is strange. However, considering the vision might come from her, of course the story coming from her who is also meek is different than how the Apostles depicted her out of respect for her.
What also troubles me now is this - this vision was presented to Teophil Patriarcg of Alexandria. Why would a bishop misread a vision and yet unformed and unconfirmed children would be capable of rendering the visions from her accurately? I am referring to the Modern apparitions of her here.
Are we not in Modern too presumptious too that we can filter the visions of old.presented to men of the Church, in claiming that our children are definitely capable of receiving a message from the Mother of God while men who were praying and studying 1500+ years ago must have been unable to receive a message from her?
Just because the texts divagate from the Gospel since the Church never declared them heretic I am still reluctant to give them up. They are strange I admit that.

 

[TheLittleLady]

The Church never approved these private revelations.

 

[midori]

Are we not in Modern too presumptious too that we can filter the visions of old.presented to men of the Church, in claiming that our children are definitely capable of receiving a message from the Mother of God while men who were praying and studying 1500+ years ago must have been unable to receive a message from her?
Just because the texts divagate from the Gospel since the Church never declared them heretic I am still reluctant to give them up. They are strange I admit that.

Well, that’s one of the things you have to do nowadays— the world is full of modern prophets and locutionists who share their messages and revelations. And so you bring the same technique to look at modern claims, just as you do ancient ones. I can think of at least two blogs in the last five years or so that were very intriguing— but if you looked at, say, Locutionist A saying that Mary or Jesus had said such-and-such, and then you compared it to the elevated language elsewhere— and it ultimately just felt wrong. Yes, Jesus or Mary may speak simply to simple people, and may use the language of philosophy towards philosophers— but ultimately, it’s the same person communicating, whether 2000 years ago, or 500 years ago, or 100 years ago, or today. It’s usually elegant and direct and speaks towards eternal truths and the big picture, rather than the immediate.

So it’s not so much that people were unable---- it’s just that you use the same skepticism when reviewing whether a certain passage of private revelation is helpful or not to help grow your spiritual life, whether it’s St. Gertrude’s “Life and Revelations” (13th c), St. Bridget of Sweden’s (14th c) “Revelations”, St. Catherine of Siena’s (14th c) “Dialogue”, Bl. Maria de Agreda’s 17th c. “City of God”, St. Faustina’s (20th c) “Diary”— or whether it’s something attributed to Timothy, Patriarch of Alexandria. I don’t know enough about Timothy, Patriarch of Alexandria (I? II? III?) to have my own opinion about him, and I don’t have enough information about the historicity of the text to know its lineage. All I have are the merits of the text, and what it purports to be its origin.

 

[midori]

The ancient world is full of pious fiction, sometimes with a prominent person’s name tacked on to it, in order to claim legitimacy. That was a giant reason why the Canon of Scripture was established— to say, “Okay, these texts are reliable and inspired and worthy of belief.” That’s not to say that all of the texts that didn’t make it in were total fictions, but you’ve got things like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Marcion, the Gospel of Philip, the Gospel of Mary, the History of Joseph the Carpenter---- and so on— and some of them were Gnostic, and some of them were canonical gospels that were heavily edited to fit personal theology, and some of them were just pure imagination-- but you don’t know until you sit down and sift through them on their own individual merits. Which is the exercise we’re trying to indulge in— and was the point of trying to look at passages that are available online, so we can say, “Hmmm! This is a good point! Let me think about it!” or “What? This makes no sense. Mary took the time to come down from heaven and have an apparition, and she uses it to say ‘my stomach didn’t grow large!’ in the first week post-conception?” or “Hm, Patriarch Timothy said Mary said that she had no clue she was pregnant until Elizabeth’s greeting, whereas that directly contradicts what Agreda said Mary told her about the time between the Annunciation and the Visitation. I wonder how it compares to Emmerich.”

 

[Mary888]

don’t know enough about Timothy, Patriarch of Alexandria (I? II? III?)
My printed book has subnotes at there it says it is Timothy I. I know I referred him.as Teophil because lately I have reading about St. John Chrysostom and he was anointed bishop by Teophil.archbishop.of Alexandria. I mixed these two in my head because the years of their serving are close to one another (380-400).
Thank you for taking time to discuss this with me.
Can you post a link where these texts can be found in English? @Rob2 asked for a quote where the rabbis were unfriendly to Mary in the end. I haven’t been able to find this online.
Thank you again.
God bless

 

[midori]

It was in a Google ebook preview. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to get much past the Flight Out of Egypt, before I ran out of preview pages.

The version I saw was someone’s self-published Lulu book, so there’s a lot of typos, little editing or typesetting, and it’s not the most scholarly. But it had the pertinent information, so that was good.

The ISBN is 978-0244021825. The title was: St. Mary of Zion Prayers at Golgotha To Her Son and other prayers and Visions. It’s 104 pages, was published in 2018, by Waheba Selassie, and sells for about $15-$20.

I’m sure there are other books with the same content, and I can’t vouch for what else is in the book, since I wasn’t able to preview the whole thing. But if I really wanted a physical copy, that’s the first version that came to my attention.

Good luck!