Why did Saudi Arabia ban Bible?

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Edris said:
😃 I assume you copied them from some website i’m sure you didn’t read the Qur’an and pick up those verses by your self. But anyways good job. Some of the verses i don’t know why they are even quoted don’t see the relivence, but i corrected some mistakes in a couple of verses (next time check the translation from a good reference) cause one of the mistakes in verse 5:17 i’m sure it was Intentional. All the verses you mentioned makes sense to every muslim because we understand their meaning, the full story behind each and every verse and why it was mentioned in the Qur’an, and if you want i’m willing to discuss each verse with you or anyone and show you that Islam is a religion of Peace and from the verses you quoted. But i was hoping you’d explain to me what are (Judges 1:16) and (Genesis 38:6-25) doing in the Bible, and by the way i’m still reading the Bible and i have found two more interesting stories, but give me your answers on the previous two first :). cont…

I dont have bible at hand, I am at work but dont worry… I am reading those verses you mentioned ( I got it online!!) and will get back to you soon with my answers. and one thing I should make clear here, the verses I quoted from your book were the commands from your prophet muhammad to the followers and thus you must follow. so please… PEACE!
 
Ok. I have read the verses you told me about.
  1. Genesis 38 :6-25.
    Summary : Stated that LORD slew him (ER) because he was wicked in the sight of LORD.
    LORD slew him (Onan) because he didnt want to give the offspring for his brother (when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground). It must have been something to do with the tradition at that time, for not letting her to be widowed as for respect and dignity. not sure yet though as i am not good at OT and also biblical tradition. Now I know you are very curious about “a man cohabiting with his daughter inlaw” you must have been surprised to read there is such case in the bible. It was very obvious that Judah’s wife was dead. Tamar as his daughter in law also put her widow’s garments off. Covered with a vail and wrapped herself (Genesis 38 :14). Judah didn’t recognize her and he thought she was a ‘bad’ woman as she covered her face. Any sane men also would do like what Judah did. Had Judah known she was his daughter inlaw… This case would have never happened. I am not into Old Testament historical background, but thanks to you, I would like to try to learn about them.
Unlike your prophet muhammad. Uncontrollable sexual desire of a prophet. His marriage to his adopted son’s former wife, Zaynab bint Jash. Zaynab had married Zayd, the freed slave if muhammad’s first wife, Khadijah who he adopted son. Upon his arriving one day on Zayd’s house, Muhammad started to have desires for Zaynab after having seen her without her veil. He became infatuated with Zaynab’s beauty after the former saw her unveiled at her home. Muhammad then made some comentaries about her beauty which Zaynab heard and then told her husband. Zayd then went to see muhammad and told muhammad that he would divorce her and muhammad was commended by Allah to marry her :

“When thou saidst to him whom God had blessed and thou hadst favoured, ‘Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear God,’ and thou wast CONCEALING WITHIN THYSELF what God should reveal, FEARING OTHER MEN; and God has better right for thee to fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished what he would of her, THEN WE GAVE HER IN MARRIAGE TO THEE, so that there should not be any fault in the believers, touching the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished what they would of them; and God’s commandment must be performed.” S. 33:37

You want me to list others of you prophet’s sexual desire made in the name of Allah?.. your books provide them all.
  1. Judges 1 :16… not quite understand what you mean though as I didnt get the message lol. anyway if it is about violent that has done by Judah(or Josef) then you are wrong if this is about teaching violent. Scripture describe it as history of mankind at his own time. I know you eventually want to compare this case (or other violent story in scripture/OT) with violent that muhammad did during his prophethood. God never command Jews or Christian to kill non-believers. Muhammad was not God’s messenger and whatever he said about God were lies. Muhammad’s name was Kotham. He was also known as Halabi in the first 53 years of his life. When he migrated to Medina, he changed his name to Muhammad, (the praised one) because he was a narcissist and desperately needed to be praised.
 
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cute2904:
Ok. I have read the verses you told me about.
  1. Genesis 38 :6-25.
    Summary : Stated that LORD slew him (ER) because he was wicked in the sight of LORD.
    LORD slew him (Onan) because he didnt want to give the offspring for his brother (when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground). It must have been something to do with the tradition at that time, for not letting her to be widowed as for respect and dignity. not sure yet though as i am not good at OT and also biblical tradition. Now I know you are very curious about “a man cohabiting with his daughter inlaw” you must have been surprised to read there is such case in the bible. It was very obvious that Judah’s wife was dead. Tamar as his daughter in law also put her widow’s garments off. Covered with a vail and wrapped herself (Genesis 38 :14). Judah didn’t recognize her and he thought she was a ‘bad’ woman as she covered her face. Any sane men also would do like what Judah did. Had Judah known she was his daughter inlaw… This case would have never happened. I am not into Old Testament historical background, but thanks to you, I would like to try to learn about them.
Unlike your prophet muhammad. Uncontrollable sexual desire of a prophet. His marriage to his adopted son’s former wife, Zaynab bint Jash. Zaynab had married Zayd, the freed slave if muhammad’s first wife, Khadijah who he adopted son. Upon his arriving one day on Zayd’s house, Muhammad started to have desires for Zaynab after having seen her without her veil. He became infatuated with Zaynab’s beauty after the former saw her unveiled at her home. Muhammad then made some comentaries about her beauty which Zaynab heard…
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     I'm sorry to say it,  but all the stuff you said makes no sense,  and still didn't answer my Question,  what is the purpose of these stories.  why are they in the Book of God.    You just can't accept the truth and that is the books in the Bible where written by men. Writing stories any stories,  related to religion or not,  stories that makes sense or not, word of God or not word of God.   The Qur'an in the language it was revealed in (arabic) does not contain a single extra word that doesn't help the meaning of the verse, and this is one of the reasons it's considered the word of God and a miracle from God.
As for your accusation to prophet Muhammad pbuh. First of all, in islam you can raise a child that is not yours, but he keeps his fathers name, he doesn’t carry the family name of the man who raised him, (If you don’t know why, i’ll be more than happy to explain it in details in another post, but i’ll put it briefly, so that when the boy or girl when grows up doesn’t marry his brother or sister from the biological father by mistake). Having said that, Zayd was raised by the Prophet (pbuh) but he wasn’t his son. Anyways i’ll put the verses from the Qur’an that will explain the story. (May Allah Guide you my Sister and all Christians to the Truth. The story of the prophet and Zayd, is mentioned in the Qur’an for a purpose, first to explain that Zayd divorced Zaynab willingly although the prophet pbuh asked him to keep her, Second to show other muslims, that it’s legal to “MARRY” the divorced or widowed wife of the child you have raised, because he’s not your biological son.)
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"**And (remember) when you said to him (Zaid bin Hârithah the freedslave of the Prophet) on whom Allâh has bestowed Grace (by guiding him to Islâm) and you (O Muhammad too) have done favour (by manumitting him) "Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allâh." But you did hide in yourself (i.e. what Allâh has already made known to you that He will give her to you in marriage) that which Allâh will make manifest, you did fear the people (i.e., Muhammad married  the divorced wife of his manumitted slave) whereas Allâh had a better right that you should fear Him.  So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them (i.e. they have divorced them).  And Allâh's Command must be fulfilled.  There is no blame on the Prophet in that which Allâh has made legal for him.That has been Allâh's Way with those who have passed away of (the Prophets of) old. And the Command of Allâh is a decree determined**."     (Qur'an 33: 37-38)
forgot to add this verse too
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  "**Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allâh and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allâh is Ever AllAware of everything**."   (Qur'an 33:40)
Peace
 
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Edris:
I’m sorry to say it, but all the stuff you said makes no sense, and still didn’t answer my Question, what is the purpose of these stories. why are they in the Book of God. You just can’t accept the truth and that is the books in the Bible where written by men. Writing stories any stories, related to religion or not, stories that makes sense or not, word of God or not word of God. The Qur’an in the language it was revealed in (arabic) does not contain a single extra word that doesn’t help the meaning of the verse, and this is one of the reasons it’s considered the word of God and a miracle from God.

Peace
Bible was written by God-inspired men… who said by God? YOUR RELIGION says so! Your Quran is lousy when dealing with Christianity. Error about Mary being Aaron’s sister, You use Apocryphal stories. Your Quran does not contain a single extra word? What about abrogation that your allah made? Quran is not miracle… it’s a weapon mass destruction. You destroy humankind by hating Jews, Christian and non believers, infidels, kaffir, etc etc yet you call it miracle? :eek:
 
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cute2904:
Bible was written by God-inspired men… who said by God? YOUR RELIGION says so! Your Quran is lousy when dealing with Christianity. Error about Mary being Aaron’s sister, You use Apocryphal stories. Your Quran does not contain a single extra word? What about abrogation that your allah made? Quran is not miracle… it’s a weapon mass destruction. You destroy humankind by hating Jews, Christian and non believers, infidels, kaffir, etc etc yet you call it miracle? :eek:
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 ""**O sister (i.e. the like) of HârÝn (Aaron) [not the brother of MÝsa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! ** ......"   (Qur'an 19:28)

        Its an indication that she (Mary) was noble like Aaron the pious man,  and not his biological sister.   Like When i said to you in a preivous post "May Allah Guide  you my sister ...." ,
But since you mentioned it, then please check out Book 1 in the new testament (Mathew), Chapter 1 , Verse 1 it says “The record of the genealogoy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham”

In the Gospel of st. Luke (3:23) “…Jesus himself was about thirty years of age, being , as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli”
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In the Gospel of  Mark (1:1) "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God"


  "God-inspired men"  who don't know who is the father of their own Prophet;  Or you're gonna say it's "Apocryphal stories" too.          

 If you want to know who is Jesus (pbuh) then read the Qur'an.  Jesus (pbuh) and all the Prophets before him are respected in Islam more than in any other religion on the face of the earth.

Peace
 
Edris said:
"“O sister (i.e. the like) of Hârûn (Aaron) [not the brother of Mûsa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! …” (Qur’an 19:28)

Where else is this other “Aaron” you speak of mentioned?
 
Edris and Cute…calm down, this bickering is not of God’s…

We must learn how to communicate with eachother, because we have different ideas of the meanings to common words…

For christians there is only one Word God uttered! That is Jesus! He is God’s WORD.

For muslims the word of God is the multiple words that god literally speaks, but nobody heard Him, for His messenger Gabriel spoke to Muhammed(pbuh)

As christians we can throw our bible on the floor, or write on it, or rip pages, or keep it in our back pocket, because it is a thing, not the actual Word of God at all. The Word of God lives (or should!) in our Hearts, Jesus himself with the FAther and the Holy Spirit. They have made a dwelling in our Heart, we just need to keep that channel open at all times, not partially…

For a muslim, at least in my understanding, you have to treat the written Qur’an in a holy way, for doing soemthing to the book thing of the Qur’an is like doing it to the actual word it contains…but a few muslims might disagree, but I think most will agree.

Also, God, inspiring St. Paul, writes that we can have all the faith in the world to move mountains, but if we don’t have LOVE, WE ARE NOTHING!!!

We need to be honest with what we believe to be the truth, but we must have LOVE…

May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.

Luigi
 
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Edris:
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  "God-inspired men"  who don't know who is the father of their own Prophet;  Or you're gonna say it's "Apocryphal stories" too.          

 If you want to know who is Jesus (pbuh) then read the Qur'an.  Jesus (pbuh) and all the Prophets before him are respected in Islam more than in any other religion on the face of the earth.

Peace
The father their own prophet? you mean father of Jesus? What Quran tells about Jesus’ father?
Are you saying that we Christian do not respect our prophet and Jesus? He is the Way, the TRUTH, and the Life. Alpha and Omega.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Do not teach me about your faith while what you are doing out there is killing, terrorising and intimidating non muslim
 
Edris said:
"“O sister (i.e. the like) of Hârûn (Aaron) [not the brother of Mûsa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! …” (Qur’an 19:28)
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        Its an indication that she (Mary) was noble like Aaron the pious man,  and not his biological sister.   Like When i said to you in a preivous post "May Allah Guide  you my sister ...." ,
But since you mentioned it, then please check out Book 1 in the new testament (Mathew), Chapter 1 , Verse 1 it says “The record of the genealogoy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham”

In the Gospel of st. Luke (3:23) “…Jesus himself was about thirty years of age, being , as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli”
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In the Gospel of  Mark (1:1) "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God"


Peace

Your prophet was confused about Mary’s indentity. Your Quran says Mary as the sister of Aaron, the daughter of Imran, whose mother was the wife of Imran:

When the wife of Imran said, ‘Lord, I have vowed to Thee, in dedication, what is within my womb. Receive Thou this from me; Thou hearest, and knowest.’ And when she gave birth to her she said, ‘Lord, I have given birth to her, a female.’ (And God knew very well what she had given birth to; the male is not as the female.) ‘And I have named her Mary, and commend her to Thee with her seed, to protect them from the accursed Satan.’ S. 3:35-36 Arberry

Then she brought the child to her folk carrying him; and they said, ‘Mary, thou hast surely committed a monstrous thing! Sister of Aaron, thy father was not a wicked man, nor was thy mother a woman unchaste.’ S. 19:27-28

And Mary, Imran’s daughter, who guarded her virginity, so We breathed into her of Our Spirit, and she confirmed the Words of her Lord and His Books, and became one of the obedient. S. 66:12

Compare this to what the Holy Bible says:

“Then Mary (Hebrew- Mariam), the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took the timbrel in her hand…” Exodus 15:20

“The name of Amram’s wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, who was born to Levi in Egypt; and to Amram she bore Aaron and Moses and their sister Miriam.” Numbers 27:59

“The children of Amram: Aaron, Moses, and Miriam. The sons of Aaron: Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.” 1 Chronicles 6:3

“For I brought you up from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.” Micah 6:4

“Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman. And they said, ‘Has the LORD indeed spoken only through Moses? Has he not spoken through us also?” And the LORD heard it. Now the man Moses was very meek, more than all people who were on the face of the earth. And suddenly the LORD said to Moses and to Aaron and Miriam, ‘Come out, you three, to the tent of meeting.’ And the three of them came out. And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward… When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous. And Aaron said to Moses, ‘Oh, my lord, do not punish us because we have done foolishly and have sinned. Let her not be as one dead, whose flesh is half eaten away when he comes out of his mother’s womb.’ And Moses cried to the LORD, ‘O God, please heal her–please.’ But the LORD said to Moses, ‘If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be shamed seven days? Let her be shut outside the camp seven days, and after that she may be brought in again." So Miriam was shut outside the camp seven days, and the people did not set out on the march till Miriam was brought in again." Numbers 12:1-5, 10-15
 
Hi Luigi,
I’m sorry I didnt mean being rude with everyone here. I know its just discussion. Sometimes I was carried away with the situation that happened in my country. I feel Muslim very oppress to minority. Few years back they burnt churches in the Christmas Eve Today I read at magazine an Islamic group is already closing down 23 churches. And the leader said it will be more to come as the small churches scattered around the country. The reason they closed down churches because they found out about 10 thousand muslim converted to Christianity for the last few years and he said muslim must fight. And the leader also gives threats to foreign reverend as their hostage if he is not surrender/close down their churches. No body help us here. You and the rest probably live in a free country where the freedom of speech or doing religious ritual are allowed freely without any intimidating from any one or any group. God bless you!

Cute.
 
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Where else is this other “Aaron” you speak of mentioned?
Peace Brother

Prophet Aaron (brother of Moses pbuh) is mentioned 19times in the Qur’an and Prophet Moses pbuh is mentioned 134 times. All verses that mention Prophet Aaron he’s mentioned in conjunction with his brother Moses, except 1 verse (Qur’an 4:163) where Prophet Aaron is mentioned with 10 other prophets in the same verse, but prophet Moses is not mentioned there (but we know that the Aaron in this verse 4:163 is a Prophet). Also in Surah 20, verses 9 to 100, talks about the story of Prophets Moses and Aaron when God sent them to Pharaoh, so we know also who is Aaron here, the same one (The Prophet and Brother of Moses).
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   The only Verse in the Qur’an where the name Aaron is mentioned without his brother Moses or any other prophet is this verse (Qur’an 19:28)   “O sister of Aaron……”,    so without getting near the interpretation of the Qur’an we know that this Aaron is not the same as Prophet Aaron, cause he could’ve said “O sister of Aaron and Moses ……” or maybe “O sister of Moses….”.       

  Now open any one of the four books of the Qur’an interpretation (Al-Jalalain, Al-Kurtubi, At-Tabari, and Ebn Kathir)   they all say the same story that some Muslims in the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, thought that this Aaron was Prophet Aaron brother of Moses,   so they went to Muhammad pbuh and asked him about it, he said that he was a pious man at the time of Mary, and that the Jews at that time used this name a lot specially for the pious.   And Mary pbuh used to pray and devout like him.  [This is why they called her sister of Aaron, no blood relation, just an indication that they where the same in devotion to God].
I hope this clears the issue, if not, I don’t mind to discuss it further and even go through them verse by verse (19 verses of prophet Aaron and the 1 verse of Aaron the pious man)

I wish you do some explanation too regarding Mathew (1:1), Luke (3:23), and Mark (1:1). And just a side question if as in Mathew (1:1) Jesus is the Son of David, the Son of Abraham. Then how come in John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham, was I am. !!!

Take your time but give me some reasonable answers, thanks.

Brother Luigi I appreciate what u said, but, we are not fighting or anything, infact i like to answer questions about my religion, it increases my faith in God. If you feel offended by my questions, then please disregard them, and you are not obliged to answer.

Peace
 
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LuigiColetta:
For christians there is only one Word God uttered! That is Jesus! He is God’s WORD
Not quiet what I believed Brother Giovanni. According to the Bible the light was God’s word (GEN 1:3); the firmament was God’s word (GEN 1:6); the Grass was God’s word (GEN 1:11); abundantly moving creature were the word of God (GEN 1:20); Adam was the word of God (GEN 1:26). All these words were uttered by God, that is because these verses start with: “And God said…”.
What makes Jesus diffrerent? JN 1:1? This verse states: “In the beginning…” What beginning? Can we even talk about a beginning when it comes to God?
For muslims the word of God is the multiple words that god literally speaks
Brother Giovanni; I refer you to this Explanation about the speech of Allah (SWT), look for point #6. I don’t believe that any Muslim will tell you that Allah (SWT) speaks literally.
For a muslim, at least in my understanding, you have to treat the written Qur’an in a holy way, for doing soemthing to the book thing of the Qur’an is like doing it to the actual word it contains.
Not quiet right Brother Giovanni. Behind our holy way of treating the holy Qur’an, it is the Author of the book that we venerate. The Qur’an is called the “Speech of Allah” Why? For example, If you open the holy Qur’an and start reading it, you come accross many commands or admonitions stating with the call:" O! You who believe…". These commands or admonitions are directed to us, Allah (SWT) is “speaking” to us. Pious Muslims when they read such a call say:" Yes My Lord…" From such an attitude to throwing the book to the ground, is a gap not a single Muslim would ever make.

Salaam.
Joseph.
 
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cute2904:
Hi Luigi,
I’m sorry I didnt mean being rude with everyone here. I know its just discussion. Sometimes I was carried away with the situation that happened in my country. I feel Muslim very oppress to minority. Few years back they burnt churches in the Christmas Eve Today I read at magazine an Islamic group is already closing down 23 churches. And the leader said it will be more to come as the small churches scattered around the country. The reason they closed down churches because they found out **about 10 thousand muslim converted to Christianity for the last few years ** and he said muslim must fight. And the leader also gives threats to foreign reverend as their hostage if he is not surrender/close down their churches. No body help us here. You and the rest probably live in a free country where the freedom of speech or doing religious ritual are allowed freely without any intimidating from any one or any group. God bless you!

Cute.
Please , references, not that i’m saying that you are lying or anything.
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let me give u an example:
According to “The Almanac Book of Facts”, the population increased 137% within the past decade, Christianity increased 46%, while Islam increased 235%.
In a recent poll in the (US), 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam, Why? …

geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/women.html
 
Brother Joseph,

in my explanation of Jesus being God’s one and only Word is maybe not adequate. God commands and it happens. But as a christian I believe that Jesus is the one Word that is God. He encompasses the fullness of God’s Word, in its totality. Now for us, Jesus is Word, and Word is Jesus, but the Word was made flesh in Jesus. The humanity of Jesus is a historical event, but God is outside of time, so the Word, which is outside of time, was with God from the beginning(beginning in human terms, but God has no actual beginning, He just is (I am who AM)) and was enfleshed in Jesus.

Hmm…this sounds like we are going into a Jesus is God discussion…it probably shouldn’t happen in this thread…

Peace,
Luigi
 
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LuigiColetta:
Hmm…this sounds like we are going into a Jesus is God discussion…
No Brother Giovanni, this is not gonna happen.

Salaam.
Joseph.
 
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Edris:
Please , references, not that i’m saying that you are lying or anything.

let me give u an example:

According to “The Almanac Book of Facts”, the population increased 137% within the past decade, Christianity increased 46%, while Islam increased 235%.
In a recent poll in the (US), 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam, Why? …

geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/women.html
Parents never teach me to lie. Jesus never lie. If you doubt my statement, I will find the proof. Pls do not follow your liar prophet. I am not muslim so I wont lie. Even for the good one.
 
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Edris:
I wish you do some explanation too regarding Mathew (1:1), Luke (3:23), and Mark (1:1). And just a side question if as in Mathew (1:1) Jesus is the Son of David, the Son of Abraham. Then how come in John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham, was I am. !!!
First I would like to say that Matthew’s biography of Jesus is of King-savior and the audience is mainly the Jews. So for claiming Kingship His geneology starts with the “Called” race (Abraham) through David (David’s seed can claim Kingship) through Joseph’s geneology (since to claim kingship the geneology must go through the father and Joseph being “in the Law” the father of Jesus—today’s terminology “step father”)

If you never heard why Jesus says that “before Abraham was born, I AM!!!” the answer is quite simple.

I ask you to also see the immediate reaction of some of his listeners when He said that statement “Before Abraham, was I am. !!”

God’s sacred name given to Moses, translated into english is “I AM” Jesus claimed to be God. that’s why some of his listeners wanted to stone Him. This name is to be remembered from generation to generation.

Also, The expected Messiah is supposed to be a son of David (his descendant), but Jesus asks how can he be the son of David if David in the Psalms calls him “my Lord” This to show that this son of David is his Lord.

Read also Isaiah 11, pay attention to the words “shoot” or “branch” and “root” in the beginning and in the middle of the chapter. How can someone be a branch of the stump of Jesse and [from Jesse’s] roots the branch will bear fruit?..or later in verse 10, speaking of the same person “on that day, the root of Jesse…”?

These are from the old testament, but here are some straight foward verses from the New testament…

Revelation 5
Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” You would later read that it is a lamb (this Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David) as though it had been slain. (We christians call Jesus “The lamb of God” Read 9 thru the end also…

Revelation 22
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” read thru the end as well…

I hope I didn’t write too much. If it is God’s Will, let it be…

PS. Edris, you don’t offend me, or have offended me, and neither your questions… As long as you seek God’s Will…All is Good!!!

Peace,
Luigi

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Edris:
Please , references, not that i’m saying that you are lying or anything.

let me give u an example:

According to “The Almanac Book of Facts”, the population increased 137% within the past decade, Christianity increased 46%, while Islam increased 235%.
In a recent poll in the (US), 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam, Why? …

geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/women.html
Thats the Book of Facts you are talking about. This is violent muslim I am talking about.

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If they accused those churches are unauthorized or unlicenced then it is not our fault if we try our own on place, our own house to worship our own God. They do not give permit. My church does not have licence. Been asking for 20 years… but the government never approve it. and now they call it anxiety? you muslim build mosque in every corner of the street! We never complain. One fine sunday, when my priest was giving homily, he got fireshot by the muslim. He saved though. I was there. Quite shocking. but we’re getting used to it. I read a magazine that had an interview with the leader of AGAP (read the link) and he said about 10 thousand muslim convert to christianity. He said muslim should fight. If you dont believe the number mentioned here, then its not my business. They could be lying. They just simply hate Christian. The are muhammad’s follower, so no wonder if they lie on something and consider it to be true in order to legalize their actions. I live in the grassroots I know what it looks like and I know what it feels. So do not ever think that I only just talking here. There is nothing good for myself if I say something untrue in this forum.
 
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Yes thats right. Thanks alot. Just not wish someone call me liar. :o
 
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