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Ottoviani
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Right.
That is what seems to happen in the Church nowadays.
Legalise an abuse, then it is not an abuse anymore.
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That is what seems to happen in the Church nowadays.
Legalise an abuse, then it is not an abuse anymore.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Let me get this straight. You believe that better catechesis and adherence to orthodoxy would increase the number of vocations to the priesthood?
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superamazingman
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How’d you do that?!?!
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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And surely you understand that matters of Church discipline are not dogma and therefore open to change.
If it is not a bad or good thing then it is neither pleasing nor displeasing to God.
So let me as you, why the opposition to the practice?
As for the “boys doing Nun things” they do, they are called monks or friars or brothers. The only roles for men in the Church is not priest or deacon.
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Oneofthewomen
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I think we all know sparrowhawk means she is an “extraordinary minister of the holy -]eucharist/-] communion.”
To be honest, the semantics game that gets played in these forums gets tiresome.
I have never confused my role of an EMHC with that of the priest, and I had never heard of the term “EMHC” until I came to CAF. We were always just “communion ministers”.
That said, while I do believe that one should use proper terminology, we also have to remember that Rome was not built in a day!
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BlindManWalking
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Whatever a nun might do which is specific to her job/vocation which wouldn’t be found in a priest’s duties, that a girl could participate in and decide she might want to become one, as opposed to do that which she can never progress from and it inhibits some boy the opportunity.
Shame on any boy sitting in the pews while some girl does his job for him.
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superamazingman
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I didn’t know you could do that either!! I never knew women could become priests, even in extraordinary circumstances.I think we all know sparrowhawk means she is an “extraordinary minister of the holy eucharist.”
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Ottoviani
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Formerly, it was strictly forbidden to have women serving near the altar within the sacred chapel, that is, they were prohibited from entering the altar area behind the altar rails during the liturgy, except to clean or in convents of nuns.[1] In his encyclical Allatae Sunt of 26 July 1755, Pope Benedict XIV (not to be confused with Pope Benedict XVI) explicitly condemned females serving the priest at the altar with the following words:
“Pope Gelasius in his ninth letter (chap. 26) to the bishops of Lucania condemned the evil practice which had been introduced of women serving the priest at the celebration of Mass. Since this abuse had spread to the Greeks, Innocent IV strictly forbade it in his letter to the bishop of Tusculum: “Women should not dare to serve at the altar; they should be altogether refused this ministry.” We too have forbidden this practice in the same words in Our oft-repeated constitution Etsi Pastoralis, sect. 6, no. 21”
“Pope Gelasius in his ninth letter (chap. 26) to the bishops of Lucania condemned the evil practice which had been introduced of women serving the priest at the celebration of Mass. Since this abuse had spread to the Greeks, Innocent IV strictly forbade it in his letter to the bishop of Tusculum: “Women should not dare to serve at the altar; they should be altogether refused this ministry.” We too have forbidden this practice in the same words in Our oft-repeated constitution Etsi Pastoralis, sect. 6, no. 21”
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Ottoviani
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Ha Ha!
Funny but sad.
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sparrowhawk28
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Ah yes, I did mean that (EMHC). Thanks for picking me up on itI think we all know sparrowhawk means she is an “extraordinary minister of the holy eucharist.”
To be honest, the semantics game that gets played in these forums gets tiresome.
I have never confused my role of an EMHC with that of the priest, and I had never heard of the term “EMHC” until I came to CAF. We were always just “communion ministers”.
That said, while I do believe that one should use proper terminology, we also have to remember that Rome was not built in a day!
Apologies for the error.
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Oneofthewomen
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Now you are just being “snarky”!
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superamazingman
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It’d be a lot less tiresome if people used the correct terminology. Sooner or later, people will figure it out. But using the right words is important.To be honest, the semantics game that gets played in these forums gets tiresome.
I have never confused my role of an EMHC with that of the priest, and I had never heard of the term “EMHC” until I came to CAF. We were always just “communion ministers”.
That said, while I do believe that one should use proper terminology, we also have to remember that Rome was not built in a day!
Redemptionis Sacramentum no. 156:
"This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known…[not] ‘extraordinary minister of the Eucharist’ "
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superamazingman
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Not at all. But it would change the number of men who answer the vocation they have.
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Oneofthewomen
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I don’t disagree with you, but I am also going to pick my battles.
Right now, there are still many parishes that are using glass & ceramic vessels for Communion, and we have at least 2 or 3 priests who continue to pour the precious blodd, post consecration, into vessels for distribution.
I will spend my time & energy trying to stop these things that are adressed in RS before I am going to worry about everyone using the proper terms.
Same thing for female servers- the Holy See says it’s up to the Bishop, my Bishop says it’s up to the priest. Most places allow female servers.
In the end, someone has to do it, if the boys/men are not stepping up to the plate, then they have no one but themselves to blame.
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Ottoviani
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Said very well!
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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I understand what you are saying but it is not a semantics game. It is using the actual terms that the Church uses and a proper catechsis on the subject.I think we all know sparrowhawk means she is an “extraordinary minister of the holy -]eucharist/-] communion.”
To be honest, the semantics game that gets played in these forums gets tiresome.
I have never confused my role of an EMHC with that of the priest, and I had never heard of the term “EMHC” until I came to CAF. We were always just “communion ministers”.
That said, while I do believe that one should use proper terminology, we also have to remember that Rome was not built in a day!
The Ordinary Minster of the Eucharist is the priest and bishop as they confect the Eucharist.
The Ordinary Minster of Communion is the deacon as it is his role to distribute the Eucharist with the priest and bishop.
The Extraordinary Minister of Communion is the acolyte, also may be any lay person that has been assigned this role by the bishop though the pastor of the parish.
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Oneofthewomen
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I don’t disagree with you Brother!! Please see post #35, though…
at least in my case, at the moment, it is “semantics”.
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MarkThompson
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Oneofthewomen is quite right, the semantic games are unbelievably tiresome. It would be one thing to say “Please allow me to correct your terminology and here’s why,” but the game of feigned shock that a handful of people on this forum like to engage in (“A woman became a priest?! How?!?!
”) is an uncharitable manner of mocking new posters for not knowing and employing the “right” magic words. Might be nice if you apologized, actually.
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MarkThompson
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Which would be what? That looks to me like a lot of talking when what you mean is “I don’t know, actually.”
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StevenFrancis
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That IS a bit of a head scratcher. I only became Catholic a few years ago, and didn’t really even pay attention to, or think about the altar servers one way or the other. Obviously, my whole Catholic life has been post V2. But when I get to think about it, as I get deeper into the Church, it seems like a bit of a disservice to the girls, (who I’ve watched do a fine job, by the way), because it can’t really lead to much of anything, can it? I’ll bet that in the earlier times that altar server would be the first step in discernment for a young man who would maybe end up in the priesthood.
Well, of course, girls don’t go to seminary, or become priests, so what is the end result of their service at the altar? I suppose it still calls them into a deeper and richer experience of the Holy Mass, right? I don’t know why there’s no boys doing this anymore, (at least in our parish). We have the girls, I think, because there are no boys. There are no boys because?? (I’ll look at other responses here). We all need to pray for vocations.
Peace,
Steven
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