Why did the talmud never get into christianity?

[Sepharad]

why should he? after all, circumcision was practiced by pagans…it does not mean God chose a pagan ritual, does it?

But another poster claims that Christianity has no pagan roots, yet a Catholic priest said to me it does, but he explained it by saying the church “Christianized” pagan things to show the triumph of Jesus over the old religions.

If you studied archaeology, you would be surprised at how much overlapping there was in ancient times, between religions. Some scholars claim that Judaism got its belief in angels from the ancient Persians. I’m not saying I agree, but its one of the things they say point to overlapping and borrowing from one religion to another.

 

[Sepharad]

Again, I invite you to read the articles on this in the CA library:

catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9911chap.asp

catholic.com/library/is_catholicism_pagan.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9312fea1.asp

Some on this site seem very touchy about this subject, so I won’t go into too much more detail about things I have learned.

Suffice it to say, I know much that is in Catholicism did not come from Jewish customs and beliefs (though some originally did, like baptism and communion), so where did they come from? Any idea?

 

[inJESUS]

But another poster claims that Christianity has no pagan roots

, correct, if it was established by Jews…

yet a Catholic priest said to me it does, but he explained it by saying the church “**Christianized” pagan things **

 

[Sepharad]

correct, if it was established by Jews…

 

[Eden]

But another poster claims that Christianity has no pagan roots, yet a Catholic priest said to me it does, but he explained it by saying the church “Christianized” pagan things to show the triumph of Jesus over the old religions.

If you studied archaeology, you would be surprised at how much overlapping there was in ancient times, between religions. Some scholars claim that Judaism got its belief in angels from the ancient Persians. I’m not saying I agree, but its one of the things they say point to overlapping and borrowing from one religion to another.

It seems to me that when you know that you are in error, rather than continue to discuss the topic, you accuse others of being “touchy”. I assure you, I would enjoy continuing this line of discussion, as it is so easy to debunk the claim that Christianity is pagan.

 

[dessert]

Some on this site seem very touchy about this subject, so I won’t go into too much more detail about things I have learned.

Suffice it to say, I know much that is in Catholicism did not come from Jewish customs and beliefs (though some originally did, like baptism and communion), so where did they come from? Any idea?

Just because I wanted to jump into this thread and ask although it is off topic. Dah now I have the question. If there is a new third temple is there going to be a baptismal font like for emersion or pouring. Our newer Churches one 40 years ago and the other 10 years both have full fonts in the front of the church as you come in. The theory this is jewish and when you come in and when you leave you see and hear the water flowing.

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;3825645:

You forget, EARLY Christianity was established by Jews, but LATER Christianity was almost entirely Gentile, and those Gentiles came from pagan backgrounds.

correct, so the root is Jewish, some customs are taken from pagans and turned into a totally different idea, like calling Easter by Easter, when Middle eastener Christians call it the same way Jews do…or Christmas being on a “pagan” day, when all days happened to be celebrated by pagans…which applies to Judaism in the case of circumcision which was praciced by pagans, but turned into a completely different meaning.

 

[Eden]

To illustrate the error of concluding that similarities to paganism means that a religion is pagan, we can find similarities in Judaism to ancient pagan myths:

“Some comparative mythologists think Jewish mythology absorbed elements from pagan mythology. According to these scholars, even while resisting pagan worship, the Jews willingly absorbed elements of pagan mythology. Whether or not Judaism actually absorbed ideas from paganism, Jewish myths contain similarities to myths of other cultures.”

You can read the rest here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_mythology

Take for instance, the pagan parallels between the story of Noah, the Mesopotamian *Epic of Gilgamesh *and another ancient flood myth, the Hindu story of Matsya the fish.

Scroll down to the place entitled “Connections with pagan mythology” in the same link above to read the striking similarities between Jewish biblical stories and paganism. In the same way, Christianity is not pagan simply because of similarities to paganism.

 

[Valke2]

To illustrate the error of concluding that similarities to paganism means that a religion is pagan, we can find similarities in Judaism to ancient pagan myths:

I don’t need to show or believe that Christianity is pagan. As far as I’m concerned, it isn’t. However, this does not invalidate for me the arguments set forth on the website for Jews as to why Jesus is not the Messiah

"Some comparative mythologists think Jewish mythology absorbed elements from pagan mythology.

Only some? I would think it would be fairly obviousl that some Jewish practices evolved from earlier pagan religions.

Take for instance, the pagan parallels between the story of Noah, the Mesopotamian *Epic of Gilgamesh *and another ancient flood myth, the Hindu story of Matsya the fish.

Ok. And if a website says this am I to assume it is anti-Jewish?

 

[Eden]

I don’t need to show or believe that Christianity is pagan. As far as I’m concerned, it isn’t. However, this does not invalidate for me the arguments set forth on the website for Jews as to why Jesus is not the Messiah

Well, I can’t make you see it my way. I can only tell you that using the pagan argument on a website automatically lowers its content to the level of Jack Chick. It’s just not respectable.

Only some? I would think it would be fairly obviousl that some Jewish practices evolved from earlier pagan religions.

Which emphasizes all the more why www.messiahtruth.com’s inclusion of the pagan topic is laughable.

Ok. And if a website says this am I to assume it is anti-Jewish?

It would depend on the intent of the site. If the intent were to discredit Judaism, the reverse of what we see with messiahtruth, then yes, you would be accurate in describing it as anti-Jewish.

 

[Sepharad]

Just because I wanted to jump into this thread and ask although it is off topic. Dah now I have the question. If there is a new third temple is there going to be a baptismal font like for emersion or pouring. Our newer Churches one 40 years ago and the other 10 years both have full fonts in the front of the church as you come in. The theory this is jewish and when you come in and when you leave you see and hear the water flowing.

No, we don’t have baptismal fonts. We have mikva’ot, and they are utilized only by total immersion, the way Baptists baptize.

The mikvah is never in public where people can see who is in it. This is because immersions are done without clothing on and people need privacy for obvious reasons!

The reason why its done without clothing is so the water can touch every part of the body.

 

[sambos671]

I don’t need to show or believe that Christianity is pagan. As far as I’m concerned, it isn’t. However, this does not invalidate for me the arguments set forth on the website for Jews as to why Jesus is not the Messiah

Only some? I would think it would be fairly obviousl that some Jewish practices evolved from earlier pagan religions.

Ok. And if a website says this am I to assume it is anti-Jewish?

I always wondered at the term for the goddess that protected the Pharaoh Seraph and the angles that guard the seat of God Sheraphim (Hebrew im is plural) Also the type of blue coverings are reminisent of Egypt.