Why did you choose your Belief???

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Great posts so far everyone. Each of your posts are helping me to better understand you and your choices, and for that I thank you…KEEP THE POSTS COMING!!! 😃

I have noticed that so far only Catholics have made posts here. I really want everyone, no matter what your beliefs are, to make a post here. This is a great way to better understand everyone, so please don’t be shy in posting what is in your heart on this thread. 👍
In love,
Warrior4Truth
 
Opps, sorry about that. My computer is acting up bad internet connection Well they seem to be about the same post, so just pick the one you like best. 👍
 
Hi all!

I’m a Jew by birth (that was 42+ years ago) & an orthodox Jew by conviction for the past 19 years.

I moved to Israel in November 1986. That’s when I became observant , i.e. orthodox. My dual decision to come to Israel & become orthodox was very sudden. I tell people, half-jokingly, that a bolt of (Divinely-tossed) lightning fell on my head. (My family is not even remotely close to orthodox, not involved in Jewish community at all & rather assimilated.)

I got my BA from GWU in the spring of 1985. I was getting ready to go back to GWU & start working on my MA in the fall of 1985. I quickly realized that if I did that, I’d go stark raving bonkers very quickly. I needed some time off. The Dean was very cool. He gave me a leave of absence for 1 year. I was admitted, but my actual registration was deferred to the fall of 1986.

I worked at my summer job (bartending) in Ocean City, Md. until the restaurant closed for the winter at the end of October. There is nothing more therapeutically head-clearing than being in a bustling seaside resort AFTER Labor Day, when things start winding down. I am convinced that that period helped clear my head & lay the sub-conscious groundwork for my bolt-out-of-the-blue decision. (See Song of Songs 5:2, “I was asleep but my heart was awake.”)

For November & half of December, I went back to Pittsburgh & vegetated. Just before Xmas 1985, I went back to DC & crashed with friends till I found a flat (in a group apartment). I then found a job (waiting tables in Falls Church, Va) & figured that I’d work until it was time to go back to class in the fall of 1986.

Or so I thought. I went back to DC one day after Xmas. I still had friends on campus, my bank was there, etc. The corner of 21st St & Pennsylvania Ave. (now a parking lot, Grrrr…) then housed the Circle Theatre, which showed old movies. That day it was showing “Fiddler on the Roof”. I saw it once when I was a little kid (parents dragged me). I had time to spare & nothing else to do, so I bought a ticket & went in.

Near the beginning of the film, Tevye the dairyman talks about “tradition.” He said: “Because of our traditions, each one of us knows who he is and what God expects him to do.” I reeled. That hit me for such a loop; I really went flying. It was like getting hit in the head with a puck. I had never thought about it that way before. I had no clue who I was and that God a) knew I existed, b) cared, and c) actually wanted me to DO something was something utterly, utterly new to me. I was in shock. I watched the rest of the film in a semi-trance & then at the end, after the pogrom, when all the Jews have to leave the village, the old matchmaker comes up to Tevye’s wife & tells her that she is going to (the Land of) Israel. WHACK! That was puck-to-the-head #2. I went reeling again. I left the theater in quite a state. I took the Metro back home & decided then and there that I had to become orthodox (keep kosher, study scripture, keep Shabbat, pray regularly, the works, etc., etc,) and come to Israel.

My parents (whom I didn’t tell until I had occasion to go back to Pittsburgh in April 1986 for Passover) were absolutely shocked. By then, I had already registered for a special Hebrew-language school here in Israel (where I met my Cape Town-born wife) & sent in a non-refundable deposit. I worked in Falls Church until mid-September. I arrived here in early November.

I have never regretted my decision(s) and never looked back. I believe that God Himself decided that if He had to wait on me to come to Him, He’d probably still be waiting, so He decided to come to me, via the movie “Fiddler on the Roof.” (He talked to Moses from a thorn bush, didn’t He?) He called to me & I have been answering Him ever since.

What am I doing here? Beyond the fact that I’ve always been interested in other faiths (this goes back before my movie theater epiphany), I think that Roman Catholicism & orthodox Judaism (despite our rather obvious differences) have much in common. Our views on many ethical & moral issues are similar. But beyond that, ours are faiths with rules, with authority & structure & with discipline. Ours are not make-it-up-as-you-go-along faiths & never have been (I suppose Protestantism & Reform Judaism are like that); i.e. we’re not cafeteria faiths. Rather than mold the faith to fit the individual, I think that we believe that it is the individual who must mold him/herself to fit the faith. The late former Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth, Lord Immanuel Jakobovitz (of blessed memory) once said that a faith which demands nothing is worth nothing. To be an orthodox Jew demands a great deal & I have learned that to be a Roman Catholic is similarly very demanding.

Howzat?

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
Welcome to the forum Stillsmallvoice,
It is great to have you here. Thank you very much for answering my post. That was a great testimony. I had no idea that there were people from the Jewish faith on here, but I am gald that there are. 😃 I hope to see you around the forum some time, and again…WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!! 👍
 
I feel most emphatically that it was the Holy Spirit who led me to Holy Orthodoxy.
 
Lol…opps, I just noticed that you were a senior member Stillsmallvoice, and I am a regular member…so mabye you should be welcoming me unstead of me welcoming you to the forum… 😃
Well I will change that now, WELCOME TO THE THREAD!!! 👍
 
Same as many of you, but different…I was born and raised…a Lutheran. I am in love with a Catholic man who is very devout to the Catholic Church. However, he once told me that one of the things that he found very attractive in me was the strength that I found in my church upbringings. Believe me, we have some very interesting discussions at times! I go to church with him more than he goes with me, and that’s fine, but he knows I probably will not become Catholic. I use the word probably because one cannot rule out anything, but then again…he probably won’t become Lutheran, either!

As a music teacher, and someone strong in Liturgical music and traditions, the Lutheran church still holds onto it’s liturgy that was developed around the Mass. Although many Lutheran churches have contemporary music now in their hymnals, or have additional hymnals, the music of Bach, Handel, Luther, and other composers of the “classical” genre are used more often than not. Maybe it’s the strong music traditions that I love the most about being a Lutheran. … Or maybe it’s our potluck dinners!

Blessings to all…
 
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Warrior4Truth:
I have noticed that so far only Catholics have made posts here. I really want everyone, no matter what your beliefs are, to make a post here.
In love,
Warrior4Truth
I posted but forgot to mention my faith is Pantheism.

sorry,
cheddar
 
Hi all!
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Warrior4Truth:
WELCOME TO THE THREAD!!! 👍
OK! Thank you!

Tucked away in Exodus 2:23 is a marvelous message that attests to the sure mercies of God. (I can say that it certainly has meant a lot to me and that it helped me during the same particularly difficult period in my life.) Exodus 2:23 says:
…and they [the children of Israel] cried, and their cry came up unto God…and God heard their groaning…and God took cognizance of them.
Note that while it says that, “their cry came up unto God,” it does not say that they cried to Him; the text simply says that, “they cried.” Generations of the mind- and soul-numbing drudgery of slavery had long since drummed any God-consciousness out of the children of Israel. They didn’t cry to God because, after generations of bondage, they had no idea who He was or that He even existed at all. Their cry was a raw, wanton cry, like that of an animal in pain, out of sheer misery. Yet for all that, as the text tells us, “their cry came up unto God,” and He heard them. (How many times in our generation, now, have we seen people, who have been raised with very little, if any, God-consciousness, in their lives and/or who have it drummed out of them by the mind- and soul-numbing emptiness of Western materialism, or Eastern communism, cry out, a raw, wanton cry, out of sheer misery and unhappiness, not crying to Anyone in particular because they have no idea that Anyone is listening or that Anyone cares. Yet for all that, there is Someone listening, and He cares and He takes cognizance.

A corollary to Exodus 2:23 (and one that also helped me through the same particularly difficult period in my life) is to be found in Deuteronomy 32:1-52. Deuteronomy 32:10 tells us:
“He found him in a desert land, and in the waste, a howling wilderness; He compassed him about, He cared for him, He kept him as the apple of His eye.”
What is this terrible place (“a desert land, and in the waste, a howling wilderness”) that the scripture is telling us about? As per my comments on Exodus 2:23, I argue that it is that same mind- and soul-numbing emptiness of Western materialism (or Eastern communism) in which so many of us find ourselves spiritually lost and adrift. But the scenario described in Deuteronomy 32:10 is worse than the bondage described in Exodus. There, we cried out; here, we have been numbed beyond crying and can’t even manage that. God is probably the furthest thing from our minds. Yet for all that, He (to paraphrase the verse) finds us, compasses us about, cares for us and keeps us as the apple of His eye.

It seems that many of us posting here on this thread could apply Exodus 2:23 and/or Deuteronomy 32:10 to our own lives & experiences and paths to our respective faiths.

Be well1

ssv 👋
 
By the Grace of God. I chose my faith because he enabled me with my faith. Every good gift is from God. I don’t mean to be clicheish but that is how I really feel. God gave me an anylitical mind and an questioning heart. So I come to him because he enabled me to do so. I am a protestant non-denomination member. I also believe it is the best option when considering the rest.
 
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Warrior4Truth:
I know that there are many different people on this forum, with different beliefs. Most are Catholic, some are Mormon, others are JWs,. There are a some non-denoms on here and even some from the Islam faith… I understand that we all have varying beliefs on certain things, and we have beliefs that are very close to some of the other beliefs.

I would like to ask a question for all of you then. You believe that what you believe is right. Why do you believe that?

I have asked some questions on this forum about each belief and what are some of the beliefs. I have been wanting to understand why everyone has different beliefs. Why do Catholics believe so and so and what is there doctrine, and so on with the other beliefs. SO here is the question. Why do you believe what you do?

Please keep in mind that this is not for debate. This is not for people from different beliefs to say what that what someone believes is wrong. I would like for many to post here, and explain. not your beliefs, such as doctrine and all that, but why you believe it? Why did you personally choose your belief over the others?
Yours in Love
Warrior4Truth.
I was born into the Baptist faith. I was attending church in the womb in fact! Mom was adamant about raising her children to know God. It wasn’t until a few years ago that I began to question my Baptist beliefs. And then I questioned my Christian beliefs.

I then questioned others beliefs. I became an absolute skeptic.

So, I went from devout Baptist sunday school teacher to athiest, agnostic, Buddhist, Unitarian, B’nai Noach, and whatever other belief I thought made sense. And so now I am stuck in the middle of no-man’s-land without a clear direction. I am in a sense - lost.

I pray the Rosary. I pray over my children and use the sign of the cross. I never attend any church services and rarely crack open the Bible. So, to make a long story short - I choose to believe in many things while not obeying any of the structured rituals of any. A kind of do-it-yourself religion that I’m not proud of but nonetheless can’t see my way out of.

Peace…
 
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ahimsaman72:
I was born into the Baptist faith. I was attending church in the womb in fact! Mom was adamant about raising her children to know God. It wasn’t until a few years ago that I began to question my Baptist beliefs. And then I questioned my Christian beliefs.

I then questioned others beliefs. I became an absolute skeptic.

So, I went from devout Baptist sunday school teacher to athiest, agnostic, Buddhist, Unitarian, B’nai Noach, and whatever other belief I thought made sense. And so now I am stuck in the middle of no-man’s-land without a clear direction. I am in a sense - lost.

I pray the Rosary. I pray over my children and use the sign of the cross. I never attend any church services and rarely crack open the Bible. So, to make a long story short - I choose to believe in many things while not obeying any of the structured rituals of any. A kind of do-it-yourself religion that I’m not proud of but nonetheless can’t see my way out of.

Peace…
Greetings my good friend,

When you are once again able to delve into the Bible, start with the parable of “The Prodigal Son”. Read it often and meditate on it.
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I continue to pray for you and your family as we approach the feast of the Nativity.

Peace and blessings,
Mickey
 
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ahimsaman72:
I was born into the Baptist faith. I was attending church in the womb in fact! Mom was adamant about raising her children to know God. It wasn’t until a few years ago that I began to question my Baptist beliefs. And then I questioned my Christian beliefs.

I then questioned others beliefs. I became an absolute skeptic.

So, I went from devout Baptist sunday school teacher to athiest, agnostic, Buddhist, Unitarian, B’nai Noach, and whatever other belief I thought made sense. And so now I am stuck in the middle of no-man’s-land without a clear direction. I am in a sense - lost.

I pray the Rosary. I pray over my children and use the sign of the cross. I never attend any church services and rarely crack open the Bible. So, to make a long story short - I choose to believe in many things while not obeying any of the structured rituals of any. A kind of do-it-yourself religion that I’m not proud of but nonetheless can’t see my way out of.

Peace…
If you are a reader and a sceptic I would strongley recomend CS Lewis’ book called Mere Christianity. It makes a logical argument about christianity from a sceptics point of view. It is deep and will take some wading through but if you are serious about your lostness then I suspect it would be well worth your effort.
 
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Mickey:
Greetings my good friend,

When you are once again able to delve into the Bible, start with the parable of “The Prodigal Son”. Read it often and meditate on it.
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I continue to pray for you and your family as we approach the feast of the Nativity.

Peace and blessings,
Mickey
Hello again dear friend…

How often I forget that story. Thank you for your prayers and for the reminder that we can always decide to go back to God for healing and forgiveness.

Many blessings to you and may peace surround you this time of year…

Peace…
 
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smelton:
If you are a reader and a sceptic I would strongley recomend CS Lewis’ book called Mere Christianity. It makes a logical argument about christianity from a sceptics point of view. It is deep and will take some wading through but if you are serious about your lostness then I suspect it would be well worth your effort.
I read the first few chapters just about a month ago (I think). It was good, but I really was turned off either by his writing style or the way he presented it. I also recently read (again, about a month ago) the book, “A Case for Christ” by Lee Strobel. That was a book that made my ears stand up. It really brought me back to a basic belief in Jesus Christ and the evidence which supports the traditional beliefs about Him.

I suppose my problem is that sometimes I don’t let my heart catch up to my mind. My mind will wade through the logical conclusions and everything is great, but then I try to pray or go to church or read my Bible and my heart doesn’t “feel” anything. I’m looking for a sonic boom or something to validate my thoughts. I’m searching for an “experience” of some sort - that proverbial “A-HA!” moment.

I realize this is superficial and faith is more than just “feeling”, it’s much deeper and meaningful. That’s simply where I am in my spiritual life (or lack of it). It could be that I’m going through a sort of calisthenics exercise for my mind and my heart is not in the right place (which is really pretty childish I admit).

Thank you for your recommendation and thoughts.

Peace…
 
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stillsmallvoice:
What am I doing here? Beyond the fact that I’ve always been interested in other faiths (this goes back before my movie theater epiphany),** I think that Roman Catholicism & orthodox Judaism (despite our rather obvious differences) have much in common.** Our views on many ethical & moral issues are similar. But beyond that, ours are faiths with rules, with authority & structure & with discipline. Ours are not make-it-up-as-you-go-along faiths & never have been (I suppose Protestantism & Reform Judaism are like that); i.e. we’re not cafeteria faiths. Rather than mold the faith to fit the individual, I think that we believe that it is the individual who must mold him/herself to fit the faith. The late former Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth, Lord Immanuel Jakobovitz (of blessed memory) once said that a faith which demands nothing is worth nothing. To be an orthodox Jew demands a great deal & I have learned that to be a Roman Catholic is similarly very demanding.
I don’t know much about Judaism. Many Catholics claim that Catholicism and Judaism have many similarities. I never knew what to make of that claim, but your story bears this out.

Thanks for sharing and educating.
 
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Warrior4Truth:
You believe that what you believe is right. Why do you believe that?

Why do you believe what you do?

Why did you personally choose your belief over the others?
Yours in Love
Warrior4Truth.
As a ‘cradle Catholic’ I would have to say that, before I chose my religion, it chose me (or my parents chose for me and I have never stopped being thankful to them). I have to say that while there have been times when I’ve had ‘doubts’ (periods that we all go through in our younger days, I think) it has never occurred to me that I should ‘be’ - or choose - any other religion. Karl Keating wisely pointed out that the ‘first thing to go’ for someone leaving the Church is a doubt in the Real Presence in the Eucharist - that’s a doubt I had once for about 15 minutes, I think.

The answer to your question, for me, has to be put in the form of “Why do I continue to hold fast to the teachings and traditions of the Catholic Church” and the most honest answer I can think of is that after 60 years of having doubts about a few very minor issues, I have no doubt that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ which has persevered for 2,000 years without ever once teaching heresy. The Church fails miserably, sometimes, in choosing worthy successors to the Apostles yet not even the worst has been able to break Christ’s promise - with the Holy Spirit as guide, the Church has not and cannot ‘fail’: it cannot teach false doctrine.

To say that I choose to remain Catholic because I find only TRUTH in the Church may be simplistic and it is certainly not the complete answer. I could say, for example, that I am Catholic because of the Eucharist and that would be an equally true answer as well. The sum of doctrines may not be a ‘good enough’ answer - and I could also say that I believe out of faith alone but that really isn’t true: “Faith and Reason” - isn’t that why we each hold fast to our beliefs? Some people, I know, believe because of ‘gut feelings’ and the emotional experiences that they receive from their faith and that, I think, is part and parcel of ‘faith’ but, for me, has never been the end. I will never stop praying - but I will never stop reading others who are better able to describe MY faith.

I don’t think of My faith as MY faith, actually… it’s a faith that is shared, in various degrees, with hundreds of millions of others. And that, in itself, may play a part in ‘my’ faith - that it is a faith shared and a faith that one who was not born to does not enter lightly. One of my great joys is sharing my faith (‘witnessing’ as it’s known amongst southern protestants). It’s a sin to be proud but it is no sin, I think, to feel the joy in sharing the Eucharistic Banquet with a friend for the first time.

I’ve not read the other responses - I hope some Catholic converts have responded: it seems that there is no one more Catholic than a convert! What we cradle Catholics have taken for granted is, for many, truly a new life and I am sometimes envious of that until I realize that God offers me ‘new life’ every day - I simply have to grasp it.

I like your signature quotation, by the way. If we all began, lived, and ended each day with “how can I expect anything less of myself than to live a life worthy of the honor, glory, and sacrifice of Christ” what a world this would be! If I alone could keep that thought in mind in every waking minute, how much joy could I bring to others? We are all called to be an imitation of Christ - if only we could all remember that no matter how frustrated a situation may be. If we could love unconditionally, give until we had no more to give, teach others what we know of Him… I do know many who are able to do so - I have known a number of saints in my life; I cannot count myself among them but I do try and the ‘effort’ is really ‘effortless’ - to give of oneself is no great thing not because we, as individuals, are insignificant but because we are MADE significant by our Creator. Without Christ, I am nothing. I can do nothing without Him.

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Sorry for the lengthy message - this has been a tough couple of days and it is only through focusing on my Lord (and going to Mass tomorrow morning!) that is going to ‘lift’ my soul! I am in need of some prayer, I know - I am so thankful that the parish to which I’m moving in less than two weeks now has an Adoration chapel - that’s where I NEED to be at this moment - in the presence of Christ - and it’s nice to know that, shortly, when I feel that need at 2 or 3 in the morning, He is but a short drive away! You’re message - even though I do not feel that I have answered you question - has ‘answered’ some questions for me and, were I brighter or more articulate perhaps I could better answer your question… let me read what others have written.

But first some direct answers…

Yes, I believe that what I believe is right, not only because it has withstood the ‘test of time’ but because the very foundations of my beliefs are found both in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition - from the early Jerusalem churches to the churches where Paul made ‘follow-up’ visits or brought the Gospel anew.

Why do I believe what I do? Because every ounce of energy that I’ve put into studying my beliefs have proved them to be true - it is that bond of God’s grace of faith and reason that has led me to this certainty.

Why did I chose this faith over others? As I said, it was first chosen for me - but then I made the choice because I could not find a complete truth outside of my faith, and I could not find true faith without the entirety of my faith’s teaching… talking to others of other faiths, reading of other faiths, even living amongst those of other faiths, I could not find the Truth outside of the teachings of the Catholic Church.
 
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Myangel:
I was born and raised Catholic, fell away and realised I couldnt go it alone. Came back and life has never been better. Jesus came down from Heaven and died for us, thats good enough for me! 👍
I always enjoy a good conversation with someone who, as you put it, “fell away” from the Church and realized, for whatever reason, what a mistake they had made! I’ve never been tempted to ‘fall away’ - when I left seminary it wasn’t at all because I didn’t believe - I simply believed I would have made a poor priest! Very much unlike my brother who it’s almost embarrassing to visit as everyone has nothing but nice things to say about him and who don’t know the full story about his wrecking of a model airplane of mine in 1944! But other than that, I have nothing but good things to say of my brother!

I think a good new thread (perhaps in another forum) of “Why I came home to the Catholic Church” could fill some pages with some interesting stories!
 
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Theodora:
Remember, when Catholic talk about the Church, we really mean Jesus.
An important point that is sometimes lost when talking to non-Catholics: just as many are happy to be known as believers in sola scriptura we are believers in sola ecclesia, but only if you understand all that such a simple phrase actually means! It is wholly encompassing of God to the degree to which we can understand Him and even in the manner and matter in which He cannot be understood - and there is but ONE of the COUNTLESS and UNKNOWN joys of salvation!
 
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