Why Did You Convert To Islam?

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Justin1982 said:
Its unfortunate that I listened to three videos and really don’t see a whole lot of substance in their argument against Christianity or they won’t even mention what it was that took them away from the Church, just that “it was confusing.”
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Agreed. There’s really nothing to their reason for converting other than not understanding why we believe the trinity. And Islam appeals to them because they seem more monotheistic. However, that doesn’t plemish the multiple theological and historical inconsistances in Islam. Ex: Pharroh said, “I am a Muslim!” :confused: There weren’t any Muslims until 1,400 years ago! It’d be just like someone converting to Mormonism because they like the idea of us being with God before our physical bodies.

Therefore, let no one beyond this post be ignorant as to why we say God is ONE God; but is a trinity. First, there is a difference between a trinity and a TRI-THEISTIC religion. If you believe Jesus IS the Messiah, then you believe He is God. Because the prophet Isaiah prophecied that He would be GOD. (Isaiah 9:6) Therefore, in order to BE the Messiah, Jesus MUST fulfill this prophecy, just like every other prophecy about the Messiah.

Muslims say it is a logical failure:

1+1+1=3

But God is eternal. So it is better to use the enfinite counterpart of addition, which is multiplycation:

1x1x1=1

Or division for omnipotence

1/3=1

God’s attributes are three: omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence

God expresses His divine nature in the universe. All things that are specially complete are stamped with a trinity. The universe is a trinity:

Space, Matter, Time

Matter: Solid - Liquid - Gas
Time: Past - Present - Future
Space: Length - Width - Depth

View this video to learn more:

youtube.com/watch?v=uNnbuoUIyzc
 
Much like I’ve said before, it seems arrogant to think that God cannot occupy the body of a man and continue His godly duties simultaneously. I’m sure the Being that created time itself should have that ability in His toolbox.
 
From my understanding, Muslims think that God is the almighty “zat”, and zat in Arabic as I understand it is not spirit, but some kind of “form/being/matter”, the word “zat” is usually described to explain about the matter of for example water to be liquid, gas or solid. Now…isn’t it more confusing to say that God is a “matter” that has the connotation to have the same attribute as material…?

Now this “God” matter is somehow (imaginably) some sort of thing that flying around the earth??:confused:
 
seraphime2008 said:
From my understanding, Muslims think that God is the almighty “zat”, and zat in Arabic as I understand it is not spirit, but some kind of “form/being/matter”, the word “zat” is usually described to explain about the matter of for example water to be liquid, gas or solid. Now…isn’t it more confusing to say that God is a “matter” that has the connotation to have the same attribute as material…?

Now this “God” matter is somehow (imaginably) some sort of thing that flying around the earth??:confused:
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We don’t attach physical attributes to God, at least most Muslims don’t. We also are not intellectually capable of understanding God’s essence “zat”. I couldn’t find a more succinct and eloquent description of our understanding of God than that of Imam Ali (as) in his first sermon.

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"Praise is due to Allah whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed.

He brought forth creation through His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion, and made firm the shaking earth with rocks.

The foremost in religion is the acknowledgement of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute.

Thus whoever attaches attributes to Allah recognises His like, and who recognises His like regards Him two; and who regards Him two recognises parts for Him; and who recognises parts for Him mistook Him; and who mistook Him pointed at Him; and who pointed at Him admitted limitations for Him; and who admitted limitations for Him numbered Him.

Whoever said in what is He, held that He is contained; and whoever said on what is He held He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence. "
 
seraphime2008 said:
From my understanding, Muslims think that God is the almighty “zat”, and zat in Arabic as I understand it is not spirit, but some kind of “form/being/matter”, the word “zat” is usually described to explain about the matter of for example water to be liquid, gas or solid. Now…isn’t it more confusing to say that God is a “matter” that has the connotation to have the same attribute as material…?

Now this “God” matter is somehow (imaginably) some sort of thing that flying around the earth??:confused:
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It’s interesting that you describe all these terms to an understanding of Allah through translation and how this very translation describes Him as matter though people of Islam deny that God would love us so much that He came to us in a human form through Jesus. Essentially became matter to better teach us of His existence on our terms, that’s love. All we get in response is “your book is corrupted.”
 
Justin1982 said:
It’s interesting that you describe all these terms to an understanding of Allah through translation and how this very translation describes Him as matter though people of Islam deny that God would love us so much that He came to us in a human form through Jesus. Essentially became matter to better teach us of His existence on our terms, that’s love. All we get in response is “your book is corrupted.”
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I actually have never tried to look up in Koran the mention of God as matter. But since I find myself in some debates with them, I usually say that God is Holy Spirit as we understand it, but they claim that I am wrong and that God is not spirit but “mighty zat”. The word “zat” has been taken to Bahasa Indonesia (our native language) as having the meaning of “matter”. That’s why it confuses me most, they actually regard God as matter in denying the understanding the aspect of “spirit” all together denying the “matter” of God as in the “Son”…Perhaps Muslims here can quote the verse in Koran that mention God as “matter” or “zat”
 
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