Why Did You Have So Many Kids?

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You obviously misread what I said. You spun “can be” into “doomed to be” in order to claim it was wrong and hurtful.
Spun? You think seeing something wrong with what you wrote takes spin?

I have a hard time believing that anyone could read your post and not see in it a glorification of a childhood in a large family on one hand and “in contrast” a characterization of the only child as especially vulnerable not only to self-centeredness, but even to development of an antisocial personality!

Where did you get that? You almost sound as if you do not realize the tremendous amount of sacrifice required to raise a large family that has such positive relationships between the siblings. In a big family where those sacrifices are not made, where the parents neglect to nurture and cultivate the relationships between the children and others, the reality is very different. Children have to be trained away from the self-centeredness that comes from original sin, and children in large families are no exception. It is NOT automatic!
 
One thing you give your children by raising many siblings who work well with each other is the tremendous comfort of many hands to take care of you in your old age. I have known many only children whose parents could no longer take care of themselves. Those of us with many sibling have it so much easier!
 
Easterjoy -actually that was the cover story on the Canadian MacClean’s Magazine, just a couple of weeks ago- the main premise is that this is the biggest problem facing babyboomers as they become more feeble
 
One thing you give your children by raising many siblings who work well with each other is the tremendous comfort of many hands to take care of you in your old age. I have known many only children whose parents could no longer take care of themselves. Those of us with many sibling have it so much easier!
In theory, yes but I have seen siblings in large families fight over what they can get from their parents rather than take care of them.

I assume you do not mean that people should have large families so to be taken care of in their old age.
 
In theory, yes but I have seen siblings in large families fight over what they can get from their parents rather than take care of them.

I assume you do not mean that people should have large families so to be taken care of in their old age.
We should welcome and love our children because its God’s will and he will take care of the rest. But I have to admit its wonderful growing old and having your kids there for you.God Bless, Memaw
 
laughing…of course not; it was simply an interesting social comment which came from the secular press…China will be especially hard-hit, with its tradition of adult children caring for elderly parents
 
In theory, yes but I have seen siblings in large families fight over what they can get from their parents rather than take care of them.

I assume you do not mean that people should have large families so to be taken care of in their old age.
No, but I know many only children who said they envied spouses who had a sibling to help them with decision-making about the parents. They didn’t say they wanted seven or eight siblings; they said it would be easier if there was somebody. I’m not in that position, so I won’t quarrel with them.

The point you make is a good one, though: The main thing is to raise a family with healthy relationships–good values that put people ahead of things and is willing to share control and pitch in with work–and not whether the family is made up of as few as one parent and one child or has countless children and both parents.
 
  • The main thing is to raise a family with healthy relationships–good values that put people ahead of things and is willing to share control and pitch in with work–and not whether the family is made up of as few as one parent and one child or has countless children and both parents.
EasterJo- I should probably copy and paste this last remark of your at the end of all my articles and posts here to clarify any wrong impressions and smooth over all ruffled feathers
 
Spun? You think seeing something wrong with what you wrote takes spin?

I have a hard time believing that anyone could read your post and not see in it a glorification of a childhood in a large family on one hand and “in contrast” a characterization of the only child as especially vulnerable not only to self-centeredness, but even to development of an antisocial personality!

Where did you get that? You almost sound as if you do not realize the tremendous amount of sacrifice required to raise a large family that has such positive relationships between the siblings. In a big family where those sacrifices are not made, where the parents neglect to nurture and cultivate the relationships between the children and others, the reality is very different. Children have to be trained away from the self-centeredness that comes from original sin, and children in large families are no exception. It is NOT automatic!
Let me be more clear with those of you who are so quick to be “offended”. Kids from large families can sometimes turn out bad, and kids from small families can sometimes turn out good, and vice versa. Now the only way you can spin that this is “hurtful” is to change “can sometimes” into “will.”

I have noticed many people come on these forums and “read between the lines” in order to find offense in the posts that is not really there. Nowhere did I say that all only children turn out bad. I didn’t say it. I didn’t imply it. It is simply not there.
 
Let me be more clear with those of you who are so quick to be “offended”. Kids from large families can sometimes turn out bad, and kids from small families can sometimes turn out good, and vice versa. Now the only way you can spin that this is “hurtful” is to change “can sometimes” into “will.”

I have noticed many people come on these forums and “read between the lines” in order to find offense in the posts that is not really there. Nowhere did I say that all only children turn out bad. I didn’t say it. I didn’t imply it. It is simply not there.
I understood what you meant. You were making a point it was obvious you didn’t meant to over generalize! but I also recognized how your words would be interpreted which is why we need to be careful how we come across. For the record I was not offended but I knew somebody would be.
 
Let me be more clear with those of you who are so quick to be “offended”. Kids from large families can sometimes turn out bad, and kids from small families can sometimes turn out good, and vice versa. Now the only way you can spin that this is “hurtful” is to change “can sometimes” into “will.”

I have noticed many people come on these forums and “read between the lines” in order to find offense in the posts that is not really there. Nowhere did I say that all only children turn out bad. I didn’t say it. I didn’t imply it. It is simply not there.
It was where you did use “never” and “always”, followed by “in contrast” that were problematic. That is not “reading between the lines”.

*A child in a big intact family is never without a friend. He is never bullied at school beyond perhaps just one day. He always has prayer partners for spiritual matters, tutors for homework, and teammates for sand lot sports. You **almost never *hear of a child from an intact big family going bad.

I grew up surrounded with families of 8, 10, 12, and even 16 children, and with the use of “always” and “never”, that statement just isn’t true in its plain meaning. You absolutely can be without a friend in a big family, and you can certainly feel that way. You are definitely vulnerable to bullying–at home, by those “protectors”!! And hello, but it was my parents, not my siblings, who were my prayer guides and tutors, and that was generally true for my friends from large families.

You cannot run a large family without instilling personal responsibility into the children, but the older siblings are not replacement parents. I’ve been there, I know. When the parents do their work, though, then yes, there is nothing better than being in a family where the mere size says “All are welcome, we aren’t all the same, but we all have our place.” That comes primarily by the hard work and diligence of the parents, though, and not from mere family size.
 
This is awesome. Thank you so much for this. I have 5 children and also consider it my vocation. It’s hard to put into words, but I love what you wrote here.
The very existence of a joyful mother of nine children seems to confound people.

When the words The Joy Of Mothering popped into my head as a title for my short stories it was like an epiphany for me because those few words verbalized my experience living with little people. The very existence of a joyful mother of nine children seems to confound people. However, it has been far from easy, rather it has been a long journey through confusion, guilt and public condemnation to reach the point where I can now shout loudly,

“This is my call, this is my vocation, this is my witness to the world.”

After the birth of our fourth child, Michael and I struggled to understand exactly how we were meant to live our lives. We were discussing an article by an author whose main premise was that letting go of control and trusting in God was not some abstract principle but a day-to-day practical call that included the surrender of our fertility. Of course we practised natural family planning but I was one of those rare people who could conceive long before ovulation.

As my doctor said once, “Ah, I remember reading about a woman in New Zealand, two years ago, who conceived five days before ovulation.”

I raised my hand and chirped, “Well, you can add me to that list!”

Although we could not imagine how large our family would become, the words of that article resonated within both my husband and I. Guilt lifted off us and a surge of excitement, a sense of purpose welled up from within. Although it took time to really believe that none of our children were simply a failure of the natural family planning method. Many small experiences kept reinforcing the truth the for us that God called each of our children into being with our co-operation. We’d stumbled blindly at times and then a burst of clarity would shine light on our purpose.

For example, twenty-five years ago, I once again slipped into panic mode, worrying if I was pregnant with my fifth child. Suddenly a wave of peace enveloped me and my whole body relaxed.

I heard these words within me,

“This is your call. This is your vocation. This is your witness to the world.”

All sorts of objections rushed into my head,

" What on earth do you mean a witness, a witness to what?- stupidityy? People don’t understand. They just think we are irresponsible or idiots…"

Then unexpected joy bubbled within me and I sensed these words in my spirit, “I am with you.”

Once again a blanket of peace wrapped like a blanket around me. It was an actual physical sensation and I was at peace, my mind calm and my spirit felt strong.

That was it for me; I understood and I said “yes”.

Though I still cringed under disapproval from society, I always understood that my children were saving me by compelling me to dive deeper into my spirit. They challenged me to dig deeper, discovering the power of eternal Love at my very core. A love that can stand strong against all opposition.
 
GloriaMaria I had one sister, got a headache if it was too noisy and I still ove nothing better than reading all day or drawing and painting. In a sense a large family “broke me” in the sense that I reached the end of my own strength and was forced to let go of pride and control… then, when I was desperate, God started to take charge and His mercy rained down on me. I write about this painful stuff but is an article like this one, I skipped the years of struggle and simply show the victory of God in my life
I understand this, too. I am extremely agitated by noise and too much boisterousness in a small space. I have friends who know this about me and have assured me that my experience is outside the norm, and that it is a special challenge for me. Yet, God is “breaking” me of my attachment to peace and quiet and order (at least in this phase of my life) and is remaking me with more patience and tolerance and inner peace even when it feels like chaos reigns all around me. I have recently posted a thread here of my own that is a testimony to how God is breaking me down through childbearing and childrearing. For me, I know I am a better mother and better human being THANKS to the children that God has blessed me with. It is through the process of caring for all these littles, one by one, that God is changing me for the better. I didn’t start out this way, He MADE me this way through motherhood.
 
mommamaree - this is EXACTLY my experience- the joke is that God saved me from being a nun libraian- my kids saved me, transformed me
 
One thing I am really careful about when I am in public or if I am in conversation with someone about my family, is that although I will be honest about my struggles to be a better mother or to do right by my kids, I refrain from complaining or acting mad or put-upon. In this Culture of Death, I want to be a good witness for a Culture of Life, where the blessings and the challenges (of welcoming children and raising them for the Lord) are accepted and even looked for. At only 4 kids, I already have one of the largest families in the parish, and it may grow some more over the years before God decides I am done. I do not want to appear haggard or worn-out or sour. I love being able to come to CAF to either ask for encouragement or learn about parenting strategies or be corrected when I am wrong, so that I can put on my “game face” for my family and for the world outside my door. I want other couples to see the good of natural family planning, of larger families, of Christian living, of the Catholic faith, and be inspired to follow God’s will for their own families.
It is strange, but somehow I seem to invite confidences. People end up telling me all sorts of interesting or personal things, and one thing that I hear over and over is the reasons why they DON’T have more kids, or about their longing for more children despite their decision to not have any more. It is like people, deep down inside, know what a blessing children are, they recognize that there is something broken in our culture with respect to marriage, married love, childbearing and childrearing, and since our family is already a bit of a contradiction, they feel the need to examine the why and the how and the whatfor of that. I am usually happy to oblige in discussing that, as long as we can have a pleasant conversation.
Not everyone will feel so comfortable, but I think it is good when we live our vocation with visible joy. :)👍
Motherofnine - I have enjoyed reading about your thoughts on motherhood. I don’t know how many children I will end up with before I can’t have any more, God only knows that. But reading about the experiences of veteran moms like you is very inspiring! 👍
 
joy simply bubbles up when I a with other people- no matter how I feel before, it is not an act, not put on… I guess it is Grace …it is my witness to the world
 
Deus tecum no worries- I am just learning to be careful how I phrase things, to qualify with the word"sometimes" instead of not implying “always”
 
Yes, one must never use hyperbole and always avoid generalities. 😉

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

Deus tecum,
I see that I misunderstood your meaning, although I was not the only one who misunderstood. It was good of you to explain your meaning and to apologize to those who might have been hurt. I am sorry I drew conclusions you did not intend and I will try to be careful not to do so in the future. I was not trying to spin anything, believe me. I honestly do have much unfortunate experience with a sociopath/narcissist, so that is probably one of the things about your original comment that triggered me. But I know now that you were not implying what I thought. God bless!
 
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