Why did YOU leave The Church?

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All faith requires is acceptance that we are not infinite beings and so there is no possible way we can comprehend ALL things God. Yet there ARE things that are undeniable in our lives: seeds that God has planted for us that all we need do is water a bit. Little miracles and big ones; the absolutely unexplainable. Search your heart. Do you have these? Then maybe God has called you. He is the still small voice talking to you now in the darkness of your heart. Hear Him. Be still and know Him.
Well sure I can understand that we can’t know everything, but we should be able to understand enough to figure out if a religion makes enough sense to seem like the truth - with the thousands of religions out there we should be diligent to ensure that we are not worshiping God in the incorrect manner.
Well there’s one other really great thing God gave us. Kind of a back door for the “faithless” to get to know Him: Prayer. If you find yourself incapable of it, then ask your friends to do it for you. Hey, if in fact it IS truly meaningless, then you’ve lost nothing. Right? But, check it out: Prayer, is like going to the gym; the more you do it (even if vicariously through others) and the more regularly (gotta be consistent) you do it, the more results you’ll see.
Try it. What harm could it do?
Boy do I wish it were that easy! 🙂 Yes, I’ve done prayer, adoration, conferences with a priest, retreat, study for almost 15 years now since the beginning of my crisis of faith, and unfortunately my faith has only crumbled.
I guess there’s some beautiful people that have just faith; but really, I think most of us KNOW in our hearts, minds and souls (down to the fiber of our very being) that, somehow (we don’t fully “get” it but someway Jesus is the great “I AM” and he died so that we would have a way to be with God despite our sinful natures. We don’t have the full picture of how this all works but we can’t DENY certain things that have God’s signature all over them. And what even cooler is the more you study the Bible and the Catholic Church with an open heart and open mind (pray for this gift from the Holy Spirit) the more we can accept that which we can never comprehend; the more clear and beautiful our world and our selves become.
And I’ll say a little prayer for you now: may God Bless you; be not sick at heart; know you are loved.
Oh, and BTW: Zeus is not, nor did his followers ever claim him to be the “Creator of the Universe”. BIG difference.
By the Zeus thing, I simply meant it as an example that you can’t force belief of something that doesn’t foundationally make sense to you, even if you desire it. Thanks for your reply and the kind words, you seem like a sincere and genuine person. 🙂
 
I went to the seminary after high school and learned rather abruptly that the Church was not full of altruism. There for the first time in my life did I see the humanity of the Church and it overwhelmed me. The disrespect of the consecration by holding hands around the altar, the priests that were openly gay, being told that masturbation was not a sin. I turned my back on the Church.

Over the next fifteen years I had done all that I wanted and more without thought to my mortal soul. And now I see the folly of my life and yearn to reconcile myself with the Church and Christ. I am going to go to confession for the first time in 15 years and I cannot wait for the absolution.
 
But hopefully you forgave 🙂
Forgiving is hard I know.
I get angry fast and like to “fight back” I wish there was an easy way to just forgive and forget. but forgiving is enough. You don’t need to forget if you can’t.
I have trouble forgetting.
We’re only human 🙂
 
I went to the seminary after high school and learned rather abruptly that the Church was not full of altruism. There for the first time in my life did I see the humanity of the Church and it overwhelmed me. The disrespect of the consecration by holding hands around the altar, the priests that were openly gay, being told that masturbation was not a sin. I turned my back on the Church.

Over the next fifteen years I had done all that I wanted and more without thought to my mortal soul. And now I see the folly of my life and yearn to reconcile myself with the Church and Christ. I am going to go to confession for the first time in 15 years and I cannot wait for the absolution.
Interesting. I went to seminary and found out that the Church was full of conservatives who seek only to lord power over others. It was ten years after I left the seminary before I left the Church, though. Sounds like our stories are somewhat similar.
 
I went to the seminary after high school and learned rather abruptly that the Church was not full of altruism. There for the first time in my life did I see the humanity of the Church and it overwhelmed me. The disrespect of the consecration by holding hands around the altar, the priests that were openly gay, being told that masturbation was not a sin. I turned my back on the Church.

Over the next fifteen years I had done all that I wanted and more without thought to my mortal soul. And now I see the folly of my life and yearn to reconcile myself with the Church and Christ. I am going to go to confession for the first time in 15 years and I cannot wait for the absolution.
Glory to God 🙂
 
Hostility to singles. (And, please, spare me the “It’s Not The Church’s Responsibility To Entertain You And Find You a Wife” schpiel.) It’s difficult for me to partake in the Eucharist and worship our Lord in an environment where I am ostracized and treated like a second-class citizen.

“Coming home to Rome” is a piece of cake when you’re married or are a single parent or you’re a senior citizen. It’s a more discouraging and distressing process if you’re single and already written off (incorrectly in most cases) as a ‘vocation’.
The above is a big reason I stayed away for so long. The Catholic Church doesn’t have much of a place for single unattached Catholics. It seemed to me that unless someone was getting married, married or single and had kids in the Catholic school, old enough to join the Ladies Guild or Seniors group, there wasn’t much of a place for one in the church. On the other hand, I went to a Friends Church with a friend for a while and that church had a very active singles group (all ages) and the singles felt like they were an active part of the church. I left the church for a number of years. I had moved to a new city where I didn’t know very many and had lost recently a significant number of family. Aside from that a relationship had ended. Previously I belonged to a small parish in a small town and was active in the parish - on a committee and did volunteer work and had a number of friends in the church. My new parish was quite large and I didn’t find the people very friendly or welcoming and the only time I heard from anyone was when money was needed - usually for the school. I admit that part of the situation was my fault and I am rather shy and slow to take initiative - however I did make some attempts to join in on some things.
 
The above is a big reason I stayed away for so long. The Catholic Church doesn’t have much of a place for single unattached Catholics. It seemed to me that unless someone was getting married, married or single and had kids in the Catholic school, old enough to join the Ladies Guild or Seniors group, there wasn’t much of a place for one in the church. On the other hand, I went to a Friends Church with a friend for a while and that church had a very active singles group (all ages) and the singles felt like they were an active part of the church. I left the church for a number of years. I had moved to a new city where I didn’t know very many and had lost recently a significant number of family. Aside from that a relationship had ended. Previously I belonged to a small parish in a small town and was active in the parish - on a committee and did volunteer work and had a number of friends in the church. My new parish was quite large and I didn’t find the people very friendly or welcoming and the only time I heard from anyone was when money was needed - usually for the school. I admit that part of the situation was my fault and I am rather shy and slow to take initiative - however I did make some attempts to join in on some things.
Hmmm…to live a single chaste life is a glorious blessing.

I’m sad you felt ostracised but I would never let anyone keep me from the Eucharist and Confession. Who cares what people think? People are gossips, people are judgmental. It’s hurtful and wrong but a great opportunity to Take Up Your Cross and smile through it and pray for these people.

I know its easier said than done and I’m not about to judge anyone as I can’t read peoples Hearts and Consciences but I do urge Singles to not get a Hang Up over situations like this. Jesus Loves You and the sacraments are too important to let unfriendly cliques get in the way of. I view the Church as a Hospital for Saints and Sinners. It is not a club (btw I’m not implying you think it should be)

At the end of the day on your deathbed will it really matter if you went to the parish bingo night or quiz?;).
 
Hmmm…to live a single chaste life is a glorious blessing.

I’m sad you felt ostracised but I would never let anyone keep me from the Eucharist and Confession. Who cares what people think? People are gossips, people are judgmental. It’s hurtful and wrong but a great opportunity to Take Up Your Cross and smile through it and pray for these people.

I know its easier said than done and I’m not about to judge anyone as I can’t read peoples Hearts and Consciences but I do urge Singles to not get a Hang Up over situations like this. Jesus Loves You and the sacraments are too important to let unfriendly cliques get in the way of. I view the Church as a Hospital for Saints and Sinners. It is not a club (btw I’m not implying you think it should be)

At the end of the day on your deathbed will it really matter if you went to the parish bingo night or quiz?;).
Amen.

The house of God is a place of worship first. Anyone single or not, need to focus on detaching themselves from the ways of the world, and bring their full attention to what God calls for them to do. We will all be held accountable for what we did and didn’t do.
It really does rub salt in your wounds when you are treated in a less than dignified manner at church I get that, because I’ve experienced it myself, but that suffering is less than a drop in the ocean of sorrow when you meditate on the heinous things that were done to Jesus Christ, and furthermore, that his Holy Mother had to feel those sufferings along with him.
 
Amen.

but that suffering is less than a drop in the ocean of sorrow when you meditate on the heinous things that were done to Jesus Christ, and furthermore, that his Holy Mother had to feel those sufferings along with him.
👍. By his stripes we are healed
 
Hmmm…to live a single chaste life is a glorious blessing.

I’m sad you felt ostracised but I would never let anyone keep me from the Eucharist and Confession. Who cares what people think? .
Asking a single person, “Who cares what people think?,” is not the most insightful thing to ask. I care. A lot of singles care. You pretty much have to care what people think in order to communicate your spiritual and emotional maturity to other singles. Who wants a “selfish” mate who doesn’t care? 🤷
 
Asking a single person, “Who cares what people think?,” is not the most insightful thing to ask. I care. A lot of singles care. You pretty much have to care what people think in order to communicate your spiritual and emotional maturity to other singles. Who wants a “selfish” mate who doesn’t care? 🤷
It’s a fair point but what I am trying to say is that in order to be spiritually and emotionally mature you need the Sacraments to strengthen you in the face of hostility
 
Only if one chooses it.
The single life is a chance to Imitate Christ in Purity of Heart even if you do not want/choose this state. Indeed it is a Cross for some. I do not deny that.

However…

The single life does not bar you from the sacraments. The sacraments are a chance to commune with the life-giving love of God -literally. Divine Love? It does ***not ***get better than that. 🙂
 
No, you didn’t!
Good luck with your final - summer school anatomy class - brings back memories!
oh, ick…summer session?
shudders
yeah. took anatomy 1 in the summer. For anatomy 2, I DID NOT make that same mistake…
took microbiology in the summer, too.
NOT FUN.
 
The single life is a chance to Imitate Christ in Purity of Heart even if you do not want/choose this state. Indeed it is a Cross for some. I do not deny that.

However…

The single life does not bar you from the sacraments. The sacraments are a chance to commune with the life-giving love of God -literally. Divine Love? It does ***not ***get better than that. 🙂
What does “purity of heart” have to do with one’s marital state?
 
Racism, prejudice. Lack of Catechesis. I am Hispanic. My 12 years in Catholic school in Philadelphia,PA, the prejudice and racism from quite a few of the fellow students. Their parents were worse and they were Catholic…

I assimilated into “Americana” and to the “Nativism” of the WASP (white, anglo-saxon protestant). I did not speak Spanish or hold culture of my ancestry. I graduated high school and served 7 years in the U.S. Navy. At 18 years old I registered to vote as a Republican.

Mass was weird, it never equated to “my world”. Mass was crabby American people showing face. One mass the priest’s homily mentioned of love of God and neighbor. After Mass a few of the men were criticizing about black people and Puerto Ricans. At 12 years old, I was shocked.

I got “caught up in the world”. I wanted to “live it up”. At 18 years old in 1982 I left the faith for the pleasures of alcohol, sexual immorality. Sunday worship was for certain kinds of people. Not me, I was looking out for number one. ME!

I was a “progressiveist”, “relativist”. Church was for “archaic” old people who I thought were not with the times. My views were more Agnostic. God exists but as the “Land lord of the Earth and the universe”.

2001 was my conversion. I was involved with a married woman. She was bisexual. My grandfather’s death and funeral Mass (Mass) was my conversion back. When my grand father died, I felt like I was “pickep up” from my sleep at April 25th 2001 4:30 AM. I walked about my “girlfriend’s” place like it was noontime.

May 1, 2001, the Funeral Mass. OK he was 108 years old and felt like a New Orleans style attittude. All of a sudden, I started crying uncontrollably like a baby,while feeling like a “heart wrenching”. That same week I asked my mother and father if I could go to Mass with them.

Next May will be 10 years since my return. I have learned more catechesis from 2004 to 2005 than all my years in Catholic School. St. Augustine, FL trip brough me back to my ancestral heritage along with my Catholic Hispanic roots. It’s great to be home. God bless
Being a native to Philly, I can well understand your struggle with the prejudice and racism of the area, believe me. I am so sorry you had to go through that…mind, I can’t answer for the catholic school, I went to the Philly public schools.

My foster parents were pretty prejudiced and I’d have to listen to the rants about people different than them (white Irish catholics) early and often.
It got old really fast…and forget having friends of a different race or nationality anywhere near the area I lived in (South Philly).

Once my Hispanic friend and I had the audacity to walk in a area that was mostly white, and people decided to toss a bottle at my friend’s head. (missed, thank goodness…)
The area was horrible. It’s much better now, believe it or not. I moved back to the area in 2007.

I am glad you rediscovered your faith. I suspect I never will, but, hey, you never know…
 
Naturally. But when these sorts of things happen over and over again in parish after parish, it’s kinda irrelevant if the opposite can be said of isolated parishes. I got a good sampling because I was moving around a lot.
I understand.Every parish community is different and not alike. There is no such thing as a perfect parish or with minimal issues. Christ left a church full of sinners and that is the first thing we must accept.😉
 
I’ve been lurking these forums for some time, and I figured that I’d end up posting eventually.
Let’s see…where to begin…
I get the feeling that I’m younger than most others on this forum, as I am only 18 years old, and yes, I am slowly but surely losing my faith, if I ever had it.
I’m not quite sure where to even begin…

-One thing which severely shocked me was a homily given by my pastor recently. Apparently a lady had asked the bishop if she could ‘revoke’ her Catholic faith because she no longer believe in what the Church teaches about contraception, abortion, euthanasia, etc. He said, slightly jokingly but almost verbatim, “well, perhaps it would be better if all those in the Catholic church who held these views on life left the Church, since they will only continue to slander the true Catholics with their erroneous views.” I was appalled. Now, I am not the best Catholic, and my views aren’t completely in line with the Church, yes I am ‘liberal’ or ‘open-minded’, but there is absolutely no reason to suggest that a Catholic should leave Jesus’ temple because they don’t amount to the ‘model’ Catholic that my parish has set forth.
-During my confirmation class, I heard several odd quotes from my class’s catechist. (paraphrased of course.)
I’ll let them speak for themselves: “Now in Islam, they don’t see themselves as sacred creatures created by God, in fact they don’t even worship God, they worship Allah, which in Arabic means ‘master,’ and ‘Muslim’ means Slave! You see, they see their communion with God as a Slave and Master relationship, whereas we as Catholics…”
*Note, Allah is Arabic for, literally ‘God’. It’s the contraction of al + ilah, meaning al (‘the’ - subject marker) + ilah (God, masculine form). I wanted to yell at him right then and there, as I have many Muslim friends who are more God-fearing than my Catholic ones, but since my Parish had been overtaken by fundamentalism and media-bias against Islam and the world, I figured it futile. I was more shocked than anything.
Another: “Sex is reserved solely for marriage. However, once you become married, girls, you become servants to your husbands, as it says in the bible. Therefore - now this might sound vulgar for you all - but if you husband asks to have sex, you must comply, unless you’re busy.” Girl asks if he’s serious or something “Well yes, you must comply with his wishes, as you have given your body over to him. Now if you’re taking care of the children or cooking in the kitchen or cleaning or something, then you have an excuse not to. Otherwise, you should always give your body over to him.”
Yes, I did paraphrase that but he actually holds a mentality like that. Thankfully most of my class was rational enough to see that this was an extremely fundamentalist and sexist viewpoint on marriage and love and sex.

Long story short(er): I’m just tired. Yes, I am tired of my faith at 18 years old. I do not know if I ever even had faith to begin with. My church is extremely fundamentalist and conservative, and it has left me and other teens in the church ostracized and out of place.

I’m tired of talking my friends out of suicide/cutting, abortions, sex, alcohol, drugs, and other things and then hearing every sunday about how these people who commit ‘these atrocious sins’ are ‘horrible, immoral people’ who ‘don’t have any respect for themselves or God.’
I’m tired of talking my female catholic friends down from tears and hysteria, as they have had pre-marital sex or sexual encounters, and now feel the guilt of the anti-sex/sinner-hatred of their own churches in my area, or in some cases the pain of having been used by their boyfriends, and now feeling worthless, unloved, and hopeless as a de-virginized catholic girl in a strict parish.
I’m tired of parishioners not caring for one another, not helping one another, merely judging and spreading gossip and rumors about other people’s actions and theological beliefs.
I’m tired of all the contradictions and hypocrisy and paradoxes within the Church and the parishioners themselves.
I’m tired of my own doubts, flaws, and failures.
I’m tired of living a ‘double life’ as both a ‘good catholic boy’ on sundays and with my youth group, and the role of the ‘questioning-catholic-seemingly-agnostic boy’ every other day.
I’m tired of parishioners acting so ‘holy’ and ‘righteous’ and ‘pure,’ as if they constantly are in communication with God and are sinless, and then act judgmental when you tell them your sins/problems or about how you don’t feel the same or act the same as them.
I’m tired of the hatred towards others of different races/genders/ideologies/etc.
I’m tired of feeling as if I need to be a perfect Catholic, or have my theological views sealed at my age.

I want to believe, I want to talk to God/Jesus, I want to say that I constantly feel God’s presence. But frankly, I’ve never felt anything, except one religious experience where I saw a vision of an empty throne among clouds with the feeling of “Don’t worry. I’m here.”

I recognize that I’m not a perfect Catholic. I hold views opposite to the Catholic church, I don’t accept everything the Vatican decrees, I’ve done things the Church condemns, and frankly, I’m just sick and tired of all the two-faced-ness among Catholics, and it’s tearing me up.

I’ve frankly stopped caring so much. If I go to Hell for my sins, then it must be for a just reason - I just haven’t been the ‘best Catholic ever.’ But if I can live in Hell without God, knowing that I’ve saved people’s lives and souls through talking them out of - or down from - suicide/cutting or abortion or sex or drugs or whatever, then I’d be content with suffering forever, if they could finally be happy in their afterlife since they’ve suffered so more than I have in this one…😦
 
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