Why didn't a Christian priestly caste come into being?

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One thing that has always been kind of puzzling to me, is that while Judaism had a priestly caste — the kohanim and other priests and rabbis — that was passed down through the centuries, with their clergy having large families with sons who very often became priests and rabbis themselves, the Catholic Christian church did not follow suit, at least in the West. I do know that it exists to a small extent in the Christian East, such as among the Arab Christians, but it seems as though in the West, broadly speaking, you had “the best and the brightest” skimmed off, priests and religious, into a life of celibacy and not reproducing. Did this over time “drag down” the gene pool of the remaining faithful? Again, when you remove “the best and the brightest”, it is bound to have an impact over hundreds of years. Might it not have been a good thing for the Christian priesthood to have been hereditary — at least in part — like the kohanim and others were in Judaism?
 
Exactly, @(name removed by moderator), intelligence doesn’t quite work the same as assuring blue eyes or blonde hair. Studies have shown that low IQ parents often have normal…even high IQ children and vice versa.

I believe that statistically high IQ parents are more likely to above average IQ children but the odds aren’t very tilted in only one direction. I remember reading a study a few years ago where genius sperm donors children were tested and were largely average IQ. So much for the cost of those genius sperms! Plus, remember the men are only 50% of the equation!
 
On the contrary, I think that genes for gifts, talents, and abilities, broadly speaking, do pass down to subsequent generations. It is true that not all children of doctors, lawyers, and teachers follow in their parents’ footsteps, but there is indeed more of a tendency. You definitely see it among the professional classes and the affluent, upwardly mobile in this country. And it is not wholly genetic. If there is a strong expectation that you will pursue excellence in general, you are more likely to do it. I have known of families where it was just expected — “you will make something out of yourself”, being “just average” isn’t treated as an option. (Many times these families tend to be rather uptight and even neurotic, but that’s another story entirely.) And high-achieving, more intelligent, more educated people tend to marry one another, thereby perpetuating and reinforcing good genetics as well as ambitious habits.

I may not have painted my scenario clearly enough, and I was making some broad presuppositions, one of those being that, throughout much of Catholic history, advanced education was pretty much solely the province of the Church and served her ends, prime among these being the clergy. Priests were better educated than anyone else. Assuming that the most intelligent young men would be encouraged to pursue priestly vocations, or would pursue them of their own volition (reasoning that, among other things, they would be able to get the education that goes with such a vocation), then this takes them out of the gene pool. To a lesser extent, this would also hold true for religious, both male and female. Simply put, many of the smartest ones didn’t reproduce. Now let this trend trickle down through 40 to 50 generations. When children are born, many (if not most) of the very intelligent ones are skimmed off into celibate vocations — “the cream rising to the top”, you could say. I think this could depress the IQ of the population taken as a whole.
 
Yes, but that is in the present day. In the High Middle Ages, if a son had been of above-average intelligence and desired a higher education, going into the Church would have been pretty much the only way to accomplish this.
 
Because God didn’t want to.

Besides, there is no noticiable effect on the intelligence of the population.
 
No doubt. I would never maintain that intelligence equates to goodness or holiness. It’s a sad reality in our modern era that when someone gets a higher education, more often than not they become liberal and tolerant, and not in a good way. More educated populations tend to support choice on abortion, “liberated” sexuality of the hetero, homo, and everything-in-between varieties, and a pridefulness that rejects religious orthodoxy.
 
My granddaughter was a micropremie…1lbs. 12ozs and is learning impaired. She should eventually catch up but at 11yo right now she is reading a grade and a half below her grade. She is slightly advanced in math however and is also very articulate and uses words and phrases not topical for an 11yo. Isn’t it amazing? She really struggles with reading and spelling yet does math in her head and talks like a 16yo. I have no idea what she would score on an IQ test…especially if she had to read and write the answers. I’d bet on below average for now.

Yes, one of the long time complaints of IQ tests is that it only tests for specific types of intelligence and often is culturally biased as well. I often think that most people have areas that they excel in and areas where dumb would be a nice way of putting it!😂😂😂. I’ve seen people that most certainly would test slightly below average IQ yet can assemble and reassemble complex machinery or are wizzes at one specific topic. We all have our gifts and curses!
 
Yes, I view intelligence as a good thing, and I make no apologies for that. Being able more keenly to understand goodness, truth, and beauty, more able to solve problems, better able to learn, assimilate, process, and create knowledge — our society is generally agreed that these are good things. Properly channeled, intelligence can lead us to follow God more closely. Improperly channeled, well, I think we see enough around us to know where that goes.
 
I don’t think that, historically, priests were superabundantly more intelligent (at least, not more educated) than the average layperson, keeping in mind that the laypeople also included mathematicians, engineers, statesmen and other notable jobs of antiquity.

From my reading of some literature, it was quite common up until the late middle ages for parish priests to be illiterate.
 
Such a caste existed to begin with because it was the Levites who held the line in regards to idolatry. How could a Benjaminite or Judahite minister to a Levite or to any other when their tribe was stained, so to speak, by that act of idolatry?

Christ has abolished the “caste” today, because any man who has been made clean by baptism might be a worthy minister to the New Israel- but as we know, while men from all walks of life are called, not all men are called. More than being something you’re “born into” and “expected to do”, the priesthood of Christ is (fittingly) Christocentric, not “patricentric”, or finding its roots in one’s earthly father.
 
Such a caste existed to begin with because it was the Levites who held the line in regards to idolatry. How could a Benjaminite or Judahite minister to a Levite or to any other when their tribe was stained, so to speak, by that act of idolatry?

Christ has abolished the “caste” today, because any man who has been made clean by baptism might be a worthy minister to the New Israel- but as we know, while men from all walks of life are called, not all men are called. More than being something you’re “born into” and “expected to do”, the priesthood of Christ is (fittingly) Christocentric, not “patricentric”, or finding its roots in one’s earthly father.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Thanks for an excellent answer.
 
On the contrary, I think that genes for gifts, talents, and abilities, broadly speaking , do pass down to subsequent generations.
I’ll agree, for instance, that perhaps something like a musical or artistic talent seems to be passed down; however, consider this: God chose Moses to lead His people, not because he was a natural leader or a gifted speaker. So by the same token, He calls those to be Priests/religious those who he calls. It’s a calling, not heredity.
 
The short answer is that we only have one High Priest, which is Our Lord. It is Christ who offers Himself at Mass and who absolves sins. The priest just stands in his place; he is an instrument.

St. Paul made a very good case for why God deliberately did not favor those of “noble birth” or those considered “the best and the brightest” when the Christ founded His Church:

Consider your own calling, brothers. Not many of you were wise by human standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. Rather, God chose the foolish of the world to shame the wise, and God chose the weak of the world to shame the strong, and God chose the lowly and despised of the world, those who count for nothing, to reduce to nothing those who are something, so that no human being might boast before God. It is due to him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Whoever boasts, should boast in the Lord.” 1 Cor. 1:26-31
 
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but it seems as though in the West, broadly speaking, you had “the best and the brightest” skimmed off, priests and religious, into a life of celibacy and not reproducing. Did this over time “drag down” the gene pool of the remaining faithful?
Did not most of those Catholic priests come from large families themselves? And God is hardly limited in combining heritable traits he can use from any parents. Two developmentally disabled people can give birth to a genius. All the information needed is already there.

Most important is one with a will directed to God. And as I noted in another thread, the God gene hypothesis is nonsense.
 
One thing that has always been kind of puzzling to me, is that while Judaism had a priestly caste — the kohanim and other priests and rabbis — that was passed down through the centuries
History is complicated, and realistically about 4 to 5 centuries ago exactly this was happening. Take for example St. Francis Borgia SJ who was superior general of the Jesuits and a Great-Grandson of Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia). Interestingly Pope Innocent X was the Great Great Great Grandson of Pope Alexander VI. People tend to forget historical realities.


 
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I think your question is further clouded by the fact that realistically, the church really only started to play a role in the sacrament of marriage about 5 centuries ago. Before that people exchanged the marriage sacrament without a priest. In that sense…realistically the church was not exactly always paying attention to whether a priest’s father was also a priest
 
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I think your question is further clouded by the fact that realistically, the church really only started to play a role in the sacrament of marriage about 5 centuries ago. Before that people exchanged the marriage sacrament without a priest. In that sense…realistically the church was not exactly always paying attention to whether a priest’s father was also a priest
The idea that family identity and personal identity are two separate things is a very recent idea. Whether you were Christian or not and no matter what you did back in the time when social mobility was limited (which was most times and places in human history), people knew the social rank of your immediate and extended family. People knew the reputation of your family, and your family cared about what the actions of each family member did to the family’s reputation. People knew what your mother’s
and your sister’s reputation was and what your father did and what your grandfather and your uncles and brothers did, just as the people said of Our Lord, “Is he not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?” (Matt 13:55) If people didn’t know your family or if they didn’t have the word of someone whom they trusted who did know your family, they didn’t know you and they certainly wouldn’t trust you.

(And no, “the church was not exactly always paying attention” is also not quite how the history of “nepotism” worked in the Church, either.)
 
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The priestly caste in the new and eternal Covenant is the faithful - the mystical Body of Christ, the High Priest. We are a “Royal Priesthood” 1 Peter 2:9

And, with that Priesthood, come the heavenly gifts: the charisms.
 
Catholic priests, like Jesus the Great High Priest himself, are “priests in the order of Melchizedek”, in other words priests who did not come from the Jewish priestly caste. Jesus was not a descendant of Aaron and thus not a member of the priestly caste, and could not have been a priest under the Jewish law. Having Jesus as High Priest pretty much chucks the whole “priestly caste” thing out of the window and opens it up to any man the bishop chooses to ordain.

In addition, the shift to unmarried clergy would impede any development of a priestly caste because the priests didn’t have sons to go into the “family business” of priesting.

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you had “the best and the brightest” skimmed off, priests and religious, into a life of celibacy and not reproducing.
I sincerely doubt that every priest and every religious was “the best and the brightest”. Plenty of them were probably people of ordinary intellect who simply were called to serve God as a priest or religious, and managed to muddle through the best they could. There are many stories of saintly priests who lacked book smarts, including St. John Vianney, the patron saint of parish priests, who did so poorly in his studies that he would not have been ordained except for the severe priest shortage in France at the time due to the Revolution and subsequent persecution of priests.
 
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The Church has never wanted for great minds. They had their share.
I imagine the answer to the thread question is derived from Jesus himself. Jesus " chosen" Apostles were humble and simple men. Paul was different perhaps but suited for his tasks. You can argue his citizenship was a factor in his death.Specifically blessed with the charism of chastity.
Sometimes it gets lost how radical Christianity changed everything thought conventional. We can be accused of robbing it’s essential difference in our efforts to wrap gold around stuff.
Beginning with God born as a peasant baby in a stable and device cows feed out of( not a castle)
To God’s death as a forgiving victim.
To the paradox that we die to live.
 
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