Why didn't Christ just appear to Paul?

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What was the point of Christ coming to earth and calling disciples and teaching them; only to ultimately choose a guy who never even met him on earth and persecuted the Church to be the most influential Apostle? Couldn’t Christ have just appeared to him without the whole suffering and crucifixion part?
Not my question. From an agnostic who asked me this and I have no real good answer.
 
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What was the point of Christ coming to earth and calling disciples and teaching them; only to ultimately choose a guy who never even met him on earth and persecuted the Church to be the most influential Apostle? Couldn’t Christ have just appeared to him without the whole suffering and crucifixion part?
Not my question. From an agnostic who asked me this and I have no real good answer.
Peter hasn’t been influential? 1 billion plus Catholics at least think he was.

And the point of the suffering and Crucifixion was to pay the penalty for our sins, not to gain or impress followers.
 
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First of all, that’s pretty dismissive of the apostles Christ did call and teach in person. They had HUGE impacts on our faith, society, history, and the world. It’s just not preeminent in the Bible.

Paul’s story is more attention-getting for 3 reasons I can think of off hand:
  1. He was a shocking choice: He wasn’t just an average Jew like the others. He was an up-and-comer among the Pharisees, making a name for himself persecuting the early Church. That’s a remarkable conversion story right there!
  2. He was a prolific writer and speaker. We have so many more of his letters in the New Testament because he wrote more. Peter wasn’t the classically educated man that Paul was; Peter was a fisherman led by the Holy Spirit. Peter did most of his writing, we believe, through assistants (i.e., Mark). This gives Paul an appearance of importance that’s perhaps a little false (squeaky wheel getting the grease syndrome).
  3. Paul was provocative. Peter and the others did amazing things - raising the dead, healing people, miracles on par with Jesus himself. Paul was just a bit of a loose canon. He marched into Athens and said, “Hey, you’ve been worshipping these pagan gods and don’t even know the one’s name. I know him. Let me tell you all about him.” And uses that to segue into his preaching. The other Apostles probably would have fainted (or been outraged) had they been there, to hear the Almighty — who they’ve only recently been so bold as to address as Father — compared to the Greek deities.
A final point I’ll make is this - Paul wasn’t the ultimate choice. For the reasons I gave above, he’s the most discussed. He wasn’t necessarily the most significant (not that he was insignificant), and he certainly wasn’t the last.
 
Well! Paul was persecuting Jesus (His Church) when HE appeared to him.
Would have Paul responded to Jesus in the same way if all the events that transpired up to HIS founding of The Church?

GOD acts within the timeline of mankind. As the saying goes “The time of GOD is perfect” HE did what HE did because the outcome would be the one that GOD desired.

God Bless!
 
What was the point of Christ coming to earth and calling disciples and teaching them; only to ultimately choose a guy who never even met him on earth and persecuted the Church to be the most influential Apostle?
I’m not sure I’d call Paul “the most influential apostle”. How you might reach that conclusion will probably drive the direction of the discussion…
Couldn’t Christ have just appeared to him without the whole suffering and crucifixion part?
This doesn’t stand to reason. The call of Paul to apostleship wasn’t in lieu of Christ’s sacrifice; it was one of the results of it!
 
A side but related comment: I always find Paul’s dramatic conversion consoling. God can immediately change the hearts of even the most violent persecutors of the Church if He wants. If He allows them to continue in their ways, it is ultimately for the good. We never need fear such folk.
 
I’m not sure I’d call Paul “the most influential apostle”. How you might reach that conclusion will probably drive the direction of the discussion
I would say many believe he is.
Half of the New Testament are his letters.
Most are authentic.
Peter’s letters, scholars generally think both are apocryphal, or written by someone else. In fact, few actually believe 2 Peter was written by Peter. Even the NABRE says this in the introduction, which is kind of bizarre coming from a “Catholic Bible” and not some critical one.
 
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There is no redemption - of anything - without a price to pay.
Paul was granted at least a vision of Christ (Acts 9:17, 9:27, 23:11)
 
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I’m not sure I’d call Paul “the most influential apostle”. How you might reach that conclusion will probably drive the direction of the discussion
I would say many believe he is.
Based on the number of words in the Bible? I’m not sure that this is the most accurate measure.
Half of the New Testament are his letters.
Most are authentic.
OK, so he was a prolific writer. Is that what “most influential” means, in terms of apostolic ministry? I’m not sure I’d go there.

Moreover, given that you can divide the NT into “Gospels”, “Epistles”, and “Revelation”, I’m not sure you could make the case that the most important section is “Epistles”. And, of course, without that distinction, your argument for Paul as “most influential” kinda goes out the window…
Peter’s letters, scholars generally think both are apocryphal, or written by someone else. In fact, few actually believe 2 Peter was written by Peter.
And of Paul’s epistles, seven tend to be seen as actually written by him, and six are either attributed as “not Paul” or “doubtful”. By that standard, Paul has more ‘fakes’ than Peter, and only marginally better percentage of actually coming from him. (Keep in mind that authorship of one of the Gospels is traditionally given to Peter, through a scribe…)
 
St Paul was uniquely chosen for his zeal. And to set a unique example of repentance and conversion.
 
What was the point of Christ coming to earth and calling disciples and teaching them; only to ultimately choose a guy who never even met him on earth and persecuted the Church to be the most influential Apostle? Couldn’t Christ have just appeared to him without the whole suffering and crucifixion part?
Well, you have two things: you have the Teaching and you have the Sacrifice. An agnostic probably isn’t going to be able to appreciate the difference, but if all that was needed was a Sacrifice, Jesus could have allowed Herod to have killed him when he was an infant, and he wouldn’t have needed to hang around for 33 years on earth. So, obviously, something important happened during those 33 years. While we don’t know specifically what 30 of those years were spent doing (unless you turn to private revelation, beyond the scope of this conversation), you know the last three years were spent in public ministry. Ergo, both his three years of Teaching were important, and his Sacrifice was important.

What was the effect of the Persecution of the Early Church? It forced early Christians to distribute themselves throughout the world as they fled from their persecutors. In a world where travel was a difficult hardship, and in a world where people didn’t have a lot of extra money and weren’t necessarily the most mobile— it was an effective way of having the exact opposite effect that the persecutors wished. Rather than stamping out Christianity, it distributed it throughout the Roman Empire, and from there, to the rest of the world.

Did Paul never meet Christ? There are at least three instances where he did. The first, of course, was on the road to Damascus, where, even though he only saw brightness, he heard Jesus’ voice, which identified itself as “I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.” (And, incidentally, he can notice that he had also said, “Why are you persecuting me?” rather than “Why are you persecuting my followers?” and “Whom you are persecuting” rather than “Whose people you are persecuting.”)

The second was after he had received his sight, and he was praying in the temple–
17 “When I returned to Jerusalem and was praying at the temple, I fell into a trance 18 and saw the Lord speaking to me. ‘Quick!’ he said.‘Leave Jerusalem immediately, because the people here will not accept your testimony about me.’

19 “‘Lord,’ I replied, ‘these people know that I went from one synagogue to another to imprison and beat those who believe in you. 20 And when the blood of your martyr Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.’

21 “Then the Lord said to me, ‘Go; I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’ ”
and the third time was in prison–
11 The following night the Lord stood near Paul and said, “Take courage! As you have testified about me in Jerusalem, so you must also testify in Rome.”
If I recall, there’s at least one or two other passages that indicate Paul might have (a) been a stigmatic, or at least (b) participated in a very real way in Jesus’ Passion, a la Padre Pio or some of the other mystics.
 
Half of the New Testament are his letters.
Most are authentic.
Peter’s letters, scholars generally think both are apocryphal, or written by someone else. In fact, few actually believe 2 Peter was written by Peter. Even the NABRE says this in the introduction, which is kind of bizarre coming from a “Catholic Bible” and not some critical one.
Authentic Petrine and Pauline authorship for their epistles is not out of the question. The matter is not as cut and dried as the NAB introductions make it out to be. (by the way you shouldn’t be surprised about the NAB introductions - rarely do they affirm any traditional authorship).

The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible series has pretty thorough introductions to the books, and presents both sides of the authorship argument, but affirms traditional authorship in all cases. Many contemporary Protestant scholars also present strong claims of authorship by Sts. Peter and Paul. I personally have no doubts that all of Paul’s letters were authored by him, and both of Peter’s.
 
What was the effect of the Persecution of the Early Church? It forced early Christians to distribute themselves throughout the world as they fled from their persecutors. In a world where travel was a difficult hardship, and in a world where people didn’t have a lot of extra money and weren’t necessarily the most mobile— it was an effective way of having the exact opposite effect that the persecutors wished. Rather than stamping out Christianity, it distributed it throughout the Roman Empire, and from there, to the rest of the world.
In addition to this, persecution forced the early Church to be unified in order to survive. When you are being persecuted, the priority is to stay alive and help others stay alive; you simply don’t have time or brain space to quibble much over doctrine or over who gets to be the leader, and you’re not going to split into little opposing groups because if you don’t “hang together” you will most certainly “hang separately” as Ben Franklin said; you need to present a united front. This probably helped keep the Church from breaking into a bunch of little splinter groups as might have happened if they’d all been operating in a peaceful, tolerant environment.
 
When we read Paul’s writings carefully we find one theme throughout of his contention that “Christ lives through me”. This also, might be the takeaway lesson of his epistles to the gentiles of that day, and to the each of us today, and to those in the future:
  • Whether Christ has “met” us, or not, he and the Father “know” us.
  • Regardless of our sinful past, he has a mission for us, just like he had a mission for a leading persecutor of the Church like Paul was.
As far as the question of why then, did Christ need to suffer, die, be buried, and rise again:

The passion, death, and resurrection are the Good News of the Gospel. Paul’s, and our, mission was/is a kerygmatic mission (to preach the Good News…Paul to the gentile world of his day, us to each other).

Simply preaching a message of goodness without the Good News of our redemption through the passion, death, and resurrection would be nice, but a message of salvation is more than a call for goodness, it is a call for goodness but more importantly holiness, and an offer of hope.
 
Couldn’t Christ have just appeared to him without the whole suffering and crucifixion part?
Yes.

But that’s not the point of the crucufixon.

Without Christ’s sacrifice on the cross, we could not enter the Beatific Vision.
 
What was the point of Christ coming to earth and calling disciples and teaching them; only to ultimately choose a guy who never even met him on earth and persecuted the Church to be the most influential Apostle? Couldn’t Christ have just appeared to him without the whole suffering and crucifixion part?
Not my question. From an agnostic who asked me this and I have no real good answer.
The fact that Christ did not stay among us in time and place and lead us as a king leads us to appreciate human responsibility. Christ shows us how live life to the fullest, giving of himself to others in radical love even to the point of death on a cross. And then trusting us…let that sink in…Christ trusts us to live and die like he did.
Christ does not stay here and rule from a chair. His sacrificial life, death, and rising is the seed of the Church. And now he allows us freedom and responsibility to help it grow. He passes on his ministry.

Paul did meet Christ in his glory on the road to Damascus and that encounter with Christ turned his life upside down. His life (Paul’s) testifies to the transformative power of the living Christ. That’s a life changing encounter rooted in the paschal mystery, and has nothing to do with a reign of obvious temporal power on the part of Christ. It has to do with living sacrificially, repenting, converting, carrying our cross, trusting that God “has our back”.
 
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Peter hasn’t been influential? 1 billion plus Catholics at least think he was.
Interesting to note that Peter and Paul despised each other and were considered rivals.
Paul wrote letters complaining about how Peter was treated like a rock star and he wasn’t.
 
This is why I prefer the Douay Rheims Bible. There is no reason why in a standard Catholic Bible that isn’t even a study Bible of academic purpose is proposing such faith questioning statements to people who may not be strong in faith. Seriously if you had a fallen away Catholic feel the spirit and open the Bible of the NAB and immediately see these introductions saying oh by the way it wasn’t really written by this Apostle it was probably written until 20 years after their death; this is so inappropriate. I don’t even know why the USCCB approved it, should have made them edit the intros because honestly a lot of these are questioned. But there are arguments they could be validly written by the Apostle. Just like Hebrews, I wish it said the Epistle of Paul to the Hebrews like it always did. No reason the Church needs to make us question our Faith so intentionally and make it seem like half the books in the Bible are also just apocrypha.
 
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To say St. Paul
most influential apostle

Is so wrong on so many levels.Jesus made it very clear Luke 9

46 Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.

47 And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,

48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

Yes St Paul was chosen to write much scripture but to say he had more influence is wrong sorry.

Many suggest St John or St Peter had much influence.

They all was chosen for reasons we will never know.
 
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