Why do you say that they are the chosen people of God if they are not followers of God aka Christ? …is God with jews today, as if he agrees with them? Do you believe that Christ was a fake, a lie? I will even go as far as to ask you if you think that Peter made jesus miracles up in his imagination? Is the NT a fake?
…what was disturbing about this?
If I have quoted lies then please show them to me.
Well, under normal circumstances, it would be for you to establish what you say as being correct - the thing is I know exactly where this sort of thing comes from and exactly the categories of people who espouse it, so there’s no need for you to bother.
Zundrah:
Well for a start I have not got these quotes from anywhere.
Can you defend your statement that they are a different “clan” or not? I do not think you can. I think you will avoid the question but go ahead and try. If you can.
Well I warned you that we Jews (if we can call ourselves Jews) might lack the intellectual ability to grasp your truths. For instance, if the Jews killed Jesus, as you have repeatedly stated, but the Jews of today are not the Jews of the Bible, does that mean your letting us off the hook? Now since Jews attach absolutely no special significance to Yeshua bar Yosef and since Jews believe that it is easier for the gentile to get into the world to come then for the Jew, again given our limitations, we cannot figure out why we would hate or curse, a Jew who lived a couple of thousand years ago but it must be so if you say it is. Since you understand and we don’t can I indulge your patience by asking you how and why this comes about - I guess we must have it in for Buddha too!
Anna, God gave us Christ. He gave his chosen people Christ. therefore his chosen people are not Jews any more, Christians are. He prepared his chosen people for the coming of the Messiah. He came, now we are no longer jews. Does that make sense? Can I say that without hurting people? If not then tell me why.Zundrah,
I wish you would just press the “reset button” and discard everything you have heard or have been told about the Jewish people. Start over. Read some Jewish authors, and listen to what the Jewish forum members are saying.
As Christians, we are going to disagree with the Jews regarding the identity of Christ. But that is no reason to be disrespectful. The Jews remain God’s chosen people. If you read the Bible cover to cover, you will see that very clearly.
My next door neighbors (retired couple) are Jewish. We have become such good friends. They treat me like I am their daughter. My son (age 22) loves them too. We have developed such a friendship that we are able to discuss religious issues in a respectful way. I do not try to convert them to Christianity and vise versa. I have visited their Temple and enjoyed the service very much. For the past two years, I have attended the Passover Seder. I was surprised to find other Christians there celebrating Passover with their Jewish friends. This is a wonderful thing, Zundrah.
I have witnessed, in this Jewish couple, a profound commitment to God. God is interwoven into every part of their lives. Their dedication to God would put many of us (Christians) to shame.
So, I hope you will discard what you think you know about the Jews, and start again–and start in love. If the Jewish people cannot see the love of God in us, nothing we speak will ever mean anything. In other words, if we can’t genuinely “walk the walk,” we should not “talk the talk”—old saying, but very true.
I say this to you in Christian love.
Anna
The transformation took place when Christ came and went. Jews should no longer be.
They are not jews anymore because jews were due their messiah, the messiah has come and past. Therefore there should be no jews.
“Therefore there should be no Jews” and yet we do exist- how can you explain this? Not only that - even though we make up only two tenths of one per cent of the world’s population and even though we have been allowed to begin to integrate into general gentile society for only about two hundred years- there is not a day and probably not an hour that goes by that you are not utilizing Jewish science, technology and medicine (like right now on your computer). So I think we actually do exist.
Zundrah,
I did not say that you do not exist. I said that since the messiah has come, you should be christian. But because you are not, you are no longer actually jews because Jerusalem was the chosen nation that God was preparing for the coming of the messiah. He has been and gone now.
It actually could be against forum rules. I once stated that I didn’t believed in the Eucharist and as a result my position at CAF was almost banned completely.
Are you not Catholic? You know don’t you?
Okay, I’m being serious now, tell me what is going wrong. Let’s drop the discusion about why jews ignored their messiah and let’s sort out this problem instead.
Zundrah,
Yes let’s…
There are no sources that do not support my claims etc… show me some if you find them.
Yes, both.
Like what?
Because there should be no jews anymore, christian only.
…by saying that jews should be no more, I mean convert the jews… NOT KILL THEM!
I can’t help but to feel disturbed by this. Do you believe that I feel okay about what Hitler did?
Zundrah,
It is not offence. It is logic.