Why do Americans think NHS style healthcare is bad?

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I have a medical condition and take hundreds of millions of tablets each day. I also have regular consultations and hospital visits.

Without the NHS I’d be on the streets.
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No offense but it’s perfectly normal for a user who receives far more than they contribute to think an given system is fantastic

For the USA, I would wish a modified version. I wish we offered primary care that was subsidized, but not free. Affordable co-pays help people make wiser decisions than if something seems ‘free’. This would cover preventative care and the bulk of people’s medical needs. This would be the best use of limited public resources.

On top of primary care, the market should offer extended care plans that cover catastrophic needs. Such plans would vary but they used to be quite cheap in the USA, before ACA.
 
MockSock said:
I have a medical condition and take hundreds of millions of tablets each day. I also have regular consultations and hospital visits.

Without the NHS I’d be on the streets.
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I am thinking what you wrote isnt what you intended to write?

Over the past 7 to 8 years I have had over $1,000,000 in surgeries. Still have great coverage.

Again what do you pay for your health coverage?
 
Not so much “bad”, as problematic.

What will this do to our taxes?
How much control will this give the government over us?
Will our tax dollars go towards “health care” that’s immoral or agenda-driven?

It’s part of our collective psychology to be suspicious of authority .
It seems to be part of European psychology to be more trusting.
 
I don’t have to be European to be suspicious of authority. Someone I know who lives in Canada is going through painful episodes because he has to wait. He has to wait for however long they tell him.
 
I do pay 1/4 of my income in tax, though and a significantly large chunk of that goes on the NHS.

The Labour party are pushing the idea to put PREP on the NHS. The cost would be more than the cost of the state pension.
 
What do you mean, dog-whistle? I don’t want immigrants in my tiny island nation taking up the resources my forefathers built up for me, or supplanting the inheritance of my son.

I pay thousands of pounds a year so that millions of people can come here and put a strain on my society.
 
a certain group of immigrants will tell you they are there to take over the population. we just need to listen to them and their teachers.
 
the sound of crickets! The fact is you dont want an open discussion of the NHS.
 
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no, in the UK the employee pays 12.5% and the employer pays 13%. For a total of 25.5%
 
Gross pay £407.70
Take home pay £329.11
Total deductions £78.59

That’s not even starting on council tax (£1237.12)
And then VAT of 20% of practically every transaction.

You do the math and tell me why I should be happy to pay for the rest of the world to take my wages for their own healthcare when I could be buying a house or saving for my kid to go to school.
 
Don’t be ignorant. Look at the immigration figures. Too many people come here.
 
Don’t care who’s coming here mate, it’s just too many people coming in, end of discussion. The fact that their birth rate is x5 higher than ours naturally, and very obviously means that they will replace us. . . .

Care to explain to me why we English don’t have a replacement birth rate, yet we’ve got schools opening left right and center? Care to explain the housing shortage?

There’s a small city’s worth of people coming in each year. Every 20 years we add as much people as the current population of Ireland. Do the math. . . .
 
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when the people speak, it is not an answer desired, it is just their words.

again, is it what they are saying?
 
Nobody said anything about blaming the migrants coming in.

The fact is that the people of this country have been paying in to the NHS for generations, and the ratio of foreigners who haven’t paid in is rising exponentially.

There’s too many people on this tiny island and it needs to stop.

We are not a resource-hungry people. We’re supposed to be a dwindling nation, yet the population keeps growing.

There’s too many people here, not enough resources to go around.

It’s not a difficult concept.

People who have a supernatural hatred of the English race come to this country, use up our resources, then complain about us and tell us that we should just disappear. Well no, we have a right to exist. We can’t be all that bad if people keep coming here.

There’s too many people coming here. It needs to stop.

If that makes me racist then fine, I don’t care. That’s a non-issue. People need to be honest and just say that they dislike the English and want us gone, or actually address the numbers and listen to what we’re saying, because I’ll tell you now, once we come out of this pandemic, times are going to be tough and people’s patience is going to be wearing very, very thin.
 
Yes, it will be ideal breeding ground for parties and groups that feed on such fears. That’s why it needs addressing now. It’s better to find legitimate solutions rather than cause massive societal conflict by ignoring the legitimate concerns of the vast majority of people. Look how Brexit panned out. People had minor concerns about the EU, and it ended up being a full rejection of the project because people were ignored, spoken down to, treated like nazis etc.

Who are the people with a supernatural hatred of the English race? Many immigrants, for a start. There’s many here who reap the benefits of the country, but always knock us at every chance they get. They say we’re a racist, xenophobic nation that must pay for the colonial past of our historic rulers. There’s the metropolitan elites, the wealthy who look down on us commoners.
There’s the people who treat us like literal nazis because we suggest a slight reduction in immigration policy, so we can adjust to the very different society that has been created over the past 20-30 odd years.

We can’t have nice things like the NHS if we keep on the way we are.
 
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The NHS has its problems, and it goes through rough patches, but it is amazing
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I live in Canada where we have a similar universal medical service, only better (so I’m told). LOL I too have never had any issues with it nor has my family.
 
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