Why do Baptists say Catholics are not Christians?

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speakttruth said:
I agree. How can they call themselves Christians, when they have been PROTEST- ANTS of the Catholic Teachings? They are not followers of Christ, but followers of the Lutheran and whatever they call the remaining because they broke away from Christ’s church. Christ established one church, not churches, so who was there for 1500 years before the Protesting happened? The Catholic Church. They must called Jesus a liar then because he wouldn’t leave his church with error for 1500 years that he promised not to. They shouldn’t call it the reformation, because the Catholic church itself was trying to reform some things that were bad. We were in reformation for our own problems and still are. Instead of helping with that they took the bath water out with the baby when they left. The protestants didn’t reform anything because they all split up to all different churches and opinions which is why they are called protest- ants. There are over 33,000 different Protestant churches, protesting with each other. Who is right among them?
None, because there is only one Holy Apostolic Catholic Church that stands firm in the truth for 2000 years. The one truth faith. The gates of hell will not prevail on our Church, promises our Lord.
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This is not what the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) teaches.

The CCC teaches that Protestants are “separated brethren.” (818)

The CCC teaches that because of their Baptism (in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), Protestants are Christians who have a hope of heaven. (1271)

The CCC teaches that there is a portion of the Gospel in Protestant churches.(818)

And the CCC teaches the doctrine of Invincible Ignorance of Protestants. (1793)

Paragraphs 817-822 give the doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding Protestants and unity. There are lots of other good paragraphs in the CCC about “separated brethren,” but I don’t have time right now to search. I suggest that you do the search.

Also, the argument that there are 33,000 (or more) Protestant churches is not true. This ridiculous number was arrived at by a twisting of statistics. If you use this figure around knowledgeable Protestants, you will only make the Catholic Church look stupid.
 
johnnyc176 said:
Why…because your judging a posters tone on a forum? He/she is speaking the truth. Hopefully he/she is teaching RCIA.
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No, hopefully speaktruth is NOT teaching RCIA, because they do not speak the truth and they speak something different than the Catholic Church teaches.

See my post #99.
 
Cat said:
No, hopefully speaktruth is NOT teaching RCIA, because they do not speak the truth and they speak something different than the Catholic Church teaches.

See my post #99.
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I am a faithful Catholic still leaning and I don’t thing some of you need to be uncharitable in my understanding of my faith. I believe in all her teachings. If I am wrong I humbly apologize.
So how many Protestants churches are there? I am not getting these comments from out of no where, many well known people, and priests, pastors, have said how many thousands of different protestant churches there are. What are they teaching? From what I see and have been told they are all teaching there opinion and there interpretation on the scriptures. Is this not true? As far as some of my comments, I got some of these from a former protestant pastor call Ken Hensley from his series on Luther the rest of the story. Yes they are separated and we are called to love everyone to Christ, but I was leaning toward the subject at hand about how Catholics are constantly being bashed as not Christians as an actual condemnation of us. My argument is that Protestants if anyone shouldn’t be called Christians if they are not following Christ’s church. We have the one true church do we not?

Now I use to call myself a Christian instead of a Catholic because I didn’t believe in the Catholic teachings, but have reverted and repented, about five years ago.

I do have a Catechism, ccc1271 IF Christians were Properly baptize and believe in Christ we have unity with them even if they are in not yet in full communion. How many are properly baptized? My pastor said many are not outside the church and we have to pray for their conversion. So is there salvation at risk?

I was speaking about the reformation and it’s repercussion. I don’t profess to be a theologian. But I do learn from well known ones. Ever hear of Scott Hahn, Patrick Madrid, Father Baron? I know many more, and go to daily mass so I am not ignorant of my faith, but still learning. I think many people don’t realize that this is a Catholic forum to learn the Catholic faith and they can get the truth from the people who run Catholic answers as well.

Just having the discussion is what I am concern with is that the history of the reformation and what it says about the Reformation was not the truth about Catholics and we are constantly at odds with many denominations now that are accepting SSM, contraception, divorce, yet call themselves Christians.

. The word Protestants they were protesting against the Catholic Church were they not? If we are true followers of Christ we are in the one holy apostolic Church and believe in all her teachings are we not? Just making the distinctions between what is happening right now. Maybe I am not hitting the target as perfectly in my assessments, but as I said I am still learning from my church. If you disagree is one thing, but I don’t think you need to be uncharitable.
GB

the next Post I have a very good article from Courageous Priests that I also go some of my comments from.
 
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**The Unpublished Interview **

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WHEREIN I AM INTERVIEWED BY A JOURNALIST … err, rather … WHERE I INTERVIEW A JOURNALIST
I have received several requests in the past for interviews regarding the conclave and the election of the Holy Father, Francis. I want to share with you the results of one of them that took place after the conclave.
I will start off by saying to any journalists that may be reading this post: know something of the subject matter about which you are inquiring, or the answers you are given may hand the cat your tongue.
The interview started off well enough: I was asked who I was (a Catholic priest assigned to York University in Toronto with an itinerant ministry: Treasures of the Church www.facebook.com/TreasuresOfTheChurch), etc., etc. Below is a transcript from memory. I shall leave the journalist and his employer nameless.
Interviewer: What do you think about the election of the new Pope?
Me: I am just delighted and grateful to God that the Church once again has a man to fulfill the Office of Peter. I look forward to the opportunity to receive his ministry and to grow in my love of him.
Interviewer: What do you think about his being so conservative?
Me: I think he is a pope of the Catholic Church.
Interviewer: Can you explain that?
Me: I think he has proven himself as a priest, teacher, and governor, and because of that his peers, the Cardinals, have elected him to oversee them and the entire Church.
Interviewer: But do you think that he will take the Church in a new direction, like many people have been calling for?
Me: Like what?
Interviewer: Well, people that think the Catholic Church should accept contraception, accept that gay people can marry, and become more liberal in its outlook?
Me: No, Pope Francis will not change the Church’s stance on those issues.
Interviewer: Why?
Me: Because that question is equivalent to asking me whether I think Jesus Christ is a liar. Jesus is not a liar, but the Truth itself (John 14:6). Jesus Christ never wrote a word. But he did found a Church. This is clear in Matthew 16:18 and 1 Timothy 3:15. He also guaranteed that the Church would be free of error in its teaching when He promised He would send it the Holy Spirit: “When the Spirit of truth comes he will guide you to all truth.” (John 16:13) Thus, if the Church, founded by the Truth Himself, is led by the Spirit of Truth, then the “business” of the Church is to be a teacher of the truth. To believe that the Church is free to change the truth—to make people feel good, to get with the times, to be inclusive of democratic opinion, etc.—is to make Jesus into a liar.
Interviewer: But is there no room for disagreement, for other opinions?
Me: Not in those matters where the Church has already declared the truth. For the Church to stop its proclamation of what it knows to be true is to ask it to cease being what it is. It would be the equivalent of asking Ford to stop selling Fords and to sell Chryslers instead. Or to ask McDonald’s to start selling Whoppers in place of its Big Macs. It is not going to happen, because in doing so, the entity in question would cease to be the very thing that it is. If Ford starts selling Chryslers, you might as well order Ford’s coffin. For the Church to operate with any other motive than to be God’s mouthpiece of truth, then it is not the Church of Jesus Christ.

Continued-
 
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Interviewer: [long silence … I could tell he followed my argument but the answer went in a direction he did not anticipate and now did not know what to ask.]
Me: Look, name for me an institution or corporation, other than the Catholic Church, that has existed for 2000 years and has never changed its mission statement, its manner of governance, or its brand, and yet has thrived over its opponents? Or, to place it in corporate lingo, name for me an institution that has maintained a sustained competitive advantage over every one of its opponents for 20 centuries?
Interviewer: [Provided no answer]
Me: I can’t either. Then I think that the function and formula of the Catholic Church is a winner, don’t you? Why would we change it?
Interviewer: [No answer and now wearing a grin]
Me: The issue of belief in the Holy Eucharist, or lack thereof, among Christians, illustrates this well. For 1,500 years every single Christian church in the world believed in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Not just symbolically, but substantially. Literally. Now this was a most fundamental belief—in fact, the most fundamental—about what it meant to be Church. When the Protestant and Anglican revolt happened 500 years ago that ceased being a belief for those groups. Now in that change we are not talking about changing the wearing of a particular color during a liturgical season, but something intrinsic to the very identity of the Church: the Body and Blood of the Lord Himself, which in the 6th chapter of John’s Gospel, Christ states one needs to eat and drink of, in order to possess salvation. To make that change, like the Protestants and Anglicans did, cannot be done without their simultaneously making a statement about Jesus Christ: that He is a liar who, contrary to what He promised, allowed the Church to believe and operate in error for its first 1,500 years.
I was thanked for the interview and the journalist left. It was never published.
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speakttruth said:
I am a faithful Catholic still leaning and I don’t thing some of you need to be uncharitable in my understanding of my faith. I believe in all her teachings. If I am wrong I humbly apologize.
So how many Protestants churches are there? I am not getting these comments from out of no where, many well known people, and priests, pastors, have said how many thousands of different protestant churches there are. What are they teaching? From what I see and have been told they are all teaching there opinion and there interpretation on the scriptures. Is this not true? As far as some of my comments, I got some of these from a former protestant pastor call Ken Hensley from his series on Luther the rest of the story. Yes they are separated and we are called to love everyone to Christ, but I was leaning toward the subject at hand about how Catholics are constantly being bashed as not Christians as an actual condemnation of us. My argument is that Protestants if anyone shouldn’t be called Christians if they are not following Christ’s church. We have the one true church do we not?

Now I use to call myself a Christian instead of a Catholic because I didn’t believe in the Catholic teachings, but have reverted and repented, about five years ago.

I do have a Catechism, ccc1271 IF Christians were Properly baptize and believe in Christ we have unity with them even if they are in not yet in full communion. How many are properly baptized? My pastor said many are not outside the church and we have to pray for their conversion. So is there salvation at risk?

I was speaking about the reformation and it’s repercussion. I don’t profess to be a theologian. But I do learn from well known ones. Ever hear of Scott Hahn, Patrick Madrid, Father Baron? I know many more, and go to daily mass so I am not ignorant of my faith, but still learning. I think many people don’t realize that this is a Catholic forum to learn the Catholic faith and they can get the truth from the people who run Catholic answers as well.

Just having the discussion is what I am concern with is that the history of the reformation and what it says about the Reformation was not the truth about Catholics and we are constantly at odds with many denominations now that are accepting SSM, contraception, divorce, yet call themselves Christians.

. The word Protestants they were protesting against the Catholic Church were they not? If we are true followers of Christ we are in the one holy apostolic Church and believe in all her teachings are we not? Just making the distinctions between what is happening right now. Maybe I am not hitting the target as perfectly in my assessments, but as I said I am still learning from my church. If you disagree is one thing, but I don’t think you need to be uncharitable.
GB

the next Post I have a very good article from Courageous Priests that I also go some of my comments from.
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I’ve also heard the 33,000+ protestant denominations quote but it is often given dishonestly. In my opinion it is quoted by many that should not quote something without checking the source.

The number comes from the World Christian Encyclopedia by Barrett, Kurian, Johnson (Oxford Univ Press, 2nd edition, 2001). From the book: A denomination is defined in this Encyclopedia as an organized aggregate of worship centers or congregations of similar ecclesiastical tradition within a specific country; i.e. as an organized Christian church or tradition or religious group or community of believers, within a specific country, whose component congregations and members are called by the same denominational name in different areas, regarding themselves as one autonomous Christian church distinct from other denominations, churches and traditions.

Therefore, each country that has Baptist churches are counted as a separate denomination. Each country that has Anglicans are counted as separate denominations and so on. In fact, the book lists 242 denominations of Roman Catholics.

I heard the 33k figure mentioned by a very well respected speaker, in a Catholic Church last December. I did the slightest amount of research and found what I’ve noted above. To say the least, I’m very disappointed with the speaker as I’m certain he wouldn’t have trotted out a figure that he had just heard. He would have done the research, known the truth but chose to deceive the audience anyway.

If the Catholic Church is 1, and not 242, then it’s impossible for there to be 33,000 protestant denominations. Or, there really are 242 different Catholic denominations and the church is a lot more divided than we thought.
 
Brandall said:
I’ve also heard the 33,000+ protestant denominations quote but it is often given dishonestly. In my opinion it is quoted by many that should not quote something without checking the source.

If the Catholic Church is 1, and not 242, then it’s impossible for there to be 33,000 protestant denominations. Or, there really are 242 different Catholic denominations and the church is a lot more divided than we thought.
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Here is an analysis of that number:

philvaz.com/apologetics/a120.htm

philvaz.com/apologetics/a106.htm

So we have, according to Barrett’s Encyclopedia:

a denomination is defined as existing within a specific country
there are 33,000+ total of these “Christian denominations” in 238 total countries
These 33,000 are subdivided into “6 major ecclesiastico-cultural mega-blocs”, and ordering them by denomination size we have (I am rounding up or down slightly for convenience, using year 2000 figures) :

Independents (about 22000)
Protestants (about 9000)
“Marginals” (about 1600)
Orthodox (781)
Roman Catholics (242)
Anglicans (168)
So the 33,000 number is from the total of these 6 mega-blocs:

22000 + 9000 + 1600 + 781 + 242 + 168 = 33,000+

That’s where the 33,000 figure comes from. If you count the “mega-bloc” of “Protestants” only it is 9000 / 33000 or 27% of the total. However, if you combine Protestants with Independents and Anglicans ( [22000 + 9000 + 168] / 33000) it is 94% of the total or 31,000+ . We will see below that most (about 97%) of the “Independent” churches are indeed Protestants. Now that we have that settled, I will examine what the source says about each of these “mega-blocs.” All of the information below is found on pages 16-18 (volume 1) of the World Christian Encyclopedia (2001, 2nd edition).
 
TeamCaptain said:
I have had this told to me a bunch since I live in an area with a lot of Baptists. We all believe that Christ died for our sins. I think if Baptists looked at all the similarities we had with them they would realize that we have more in common then they give us credit for.
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Easily refuted. I always ask:

If the CC is wrong, false, heretical, etc, then kindly tell me what was the fate of millions upon millions for over 1600 years until Baptists appeared?

:hmmm:
 
Nicea325 said:
Easily refuted. I always ask:

If the CC is wrong, false, heretical, etc, then kindly tell me what was the fate of millions upon millions for over 1600 years until Baptists appeared?

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Another really good question…🍿
 
Brandall said:
I’ve also heard the 33,000+ protestant denominations quote but it is often given dishonestly. In my opinion it is quoted by many that should not quote something without checking the source.

The number comes from the World Christian Encyclopedia by Barrett, Kurian, Johnson (Oxford Univ Press, 2nd edition, 2001). From the book: A denomination is defined in this Encyclopedia as an organized aggregate of worship centers or congregations of similar ecclesiastical tradition within a specific country; i.e. as an organized Christian church or tradition or religious group or community of believers, within a specific country, whose component congregations and members are called by the same denominational name in different areas, regarding themselves as one autonomous Christian church distinct from other denominations, churches and traditions.

Therefore, each country that has Baptist churches are counted as a separate denomination. Each country that has Anglicans are counted as separate denominations and so on. In fact, the book lists 242 denominations of Roman Catholics.

I heard the 33k figure mentioned by a very well respected speaker, in a Catholic Church last December. I did the slightest amount of research and found what I’ve noted above. To say the least, I’m very disappointed with the speaker as I’m certain he wouldn’t have trotted out a figure that he had just heard. He would have done the research, known the truth but chose to deceive the audience anyway.

If the Catholic Church is 1, and not 242, then it’s impossible for there to be 33,000 protestant denominations. Or, there really are 242 different Catholic denominations and the church is a lot more divided than we thought.
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I just wanted to say I have heard that there were over 33, 000 Church’s, not the exact number to clarify that. My point is that it still shows that we are the one true faith and that all the other denominations are teaching whatever the pastor feels like. Each church even in there own denomination can teach differently they are not in communion with each other. That is thousands of different Protestant Church’s. I am talking about individual ones, not just stating for example Anglican verses Lutheran. That is two, but within the two are thousands of physical churches. I think that is where you misunderstood why the number is so large. Even if there are different Catholic churches that are accepted by the Catholic church don’t they still all believe in the Eucharist? That is the main belief that Jesus is alive and in the host, while all the others don’t believe in the transubstantiation, just a symbolism. What does the other Roman Catholic Churches you say teach? Don’t they still all teach all the sacraments? I would suggest that they do and are valid by the Catholic Church. That wasn’t the point I was making at the beginning, but the different ways a Pastor can teach by his own interpretation or opinions, which can be dangerous. Which was why going outside to a Protestant church risks your salvation. If a priest isn’t teaching properly we have the Catechism to help us discern as well. Just my thoughts
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speakttruth said:
I just wanted to say I have heard that there were over 33, 000 Church’s, not the exact number to clarify that. My point is that it still shows that we are the one true faith and that all the other denominations are teaching whatever the pastor feels like. Each church even in there own denomination can teach differently they are not in communion with each other. That is thousands of different Protestant Church’s. I am talking about individual ones, not just stating for example Anglican verses Lutheran. That is two, but within the two are thousands of physical churches. I think that is where you misunderstood why the number is so large. Even if there are different Catholic churches that are accepted by the Catholic church don’t they still all believe in the Eucharist? That is the main belief that Jesus is alive and in the host, while all the others don’t believe in the transubstantiation, just a symbolism. What does the other Roman Catholic Churches you say teach? Don’t they still all teach all the sacraments? I would suggest that they do and are valid by the Catholic Church. That wasn’t the point I was making at the beginning, but the different ways a Pastor can teach by his own interpretation or opinions, which can be dangerous. Which was why going outside to a Protestant church risks your salvation. If a priest isn’t teaching properly we have the Catechism to help us discern as well. Just my thoughts
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In my view, if there are 33,000 then there might as well be 100,000 if you get my point. It is not only that they do not believe Catholics are not Christians, they believe and teach that the church is the whore of babylon and the pope is the anti-christ as described in Revelation.

They have taught many this teaching for decades and decades.

They have had false teachers teaching this over and over and 100s of thousand if not millions teach this very doctrine. Many of the them believe the KJV is the only true word of God, and anything else from any other interpetation is not of God. Of course, when I ask someone (and I have asked this) if they could point to the chapter and verse that states that the KJV is the ONLY TRUE word of God, I did not get a response.

So, I asked my Baptist friend who has this belief that what you said is not written in there, and you just said if it is not written in there, then it is not of God. So, what am I to conclude by that teaching you are telling me based on your own words?

BTW, the original KJV included the 7 books of the deuterocanonicals. Yes, I guess the Holy Spirit did not find itnecessary to tell us through any prophet that the ONLY TRUE bible to be written in 1611, and the original version of the KJV would not count.

Yes, there are all sorts of teachings that are passed down via their traditions that do not hold up to the very scripture they claim is their authority.

How ironic.

The sad thing about all of this is this is not sports teams we are arguing. This is about eternal truth. I would be awfully concerned if I had these beliefs that do not hold up to scrutiny. Cause in the end, there are teachings that are taught in order to lead us away from the sacraments, through these finger pointing accusations. To me, that is a dangerous place to be spiritually.

Especially if there are Baptists reading these responses. Only pride will block their conversions after being presented with the truth.

Trust me, I am a disgrace in so many ways. Hence, why I need the confessional. So, I hope I do not come across pride filled. I just take pride in the Church which is the pillar of truth and does hold up to historical scrutiny.
 
Catholicity said:
In my view, if there are 33,000 then there might as well be 100,000 if you get my point. It is not only that they do not believe Catholics are not Christians, they believe and teach that the church is the whore of Babylon and the pope is the anti-Christ as described in Revelation.

They have taught many this teaching for decades and decades.

They have had false teachers teaching this over and over and 100s of thousand if not millions teach this very doctrine. Many of the them believe the KJV is the only true word of God, and anything else from any other interpretation is not of God. Of course, when I ask someone (and I have asked this) if they could point to the chapter and verse that states that the KJV is the ONLY TRUE word of God, I did not get a response.

So, I asked my Baptist friend who has this belief that what you said is not written in there, and you just said if it is not written in there, then it is not of God. So, what am I to conclude by that teaching you are telling me based on your own words?

BTW, the original KJV included the 7 books of the deuterocanonicals. Yes, I guess the Holy Spirit did not find it necessary to tell us through any prophet that the ONLY TRUE bible to be written in 1611, and the original version of the KJV would not count.

Yes, there are all sorts of teachings that are passed down via their traditions that do not hold up to the very scripture they claim is their authority.

How ironic.

The sad thing about all of this is this is not sports teams we are arguing. This is about eternal truth. I would be awfully concerned if I had these beliefs that do not hold up to scrutiny. Cause in the end, there are teachings that are taught in order to lead us away from the sacraments, through these finger pointing accusations. To me, that is a dangerous place to be spiritually.

Especially if there are Baptists reading these responses. Only pride will block their conversions after being presented with the truth.

Trust me, I am a disgrace in so many ways. Hence, why I need the confessional. So, I hope I do not come across pride filled. I just take pride in the Church which is the pillar of truth and does hold up to historical scrutiny.
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Your not the only one, we all need confession, we all have failings and have failed and we wouldn’t even know some our sins if we didn’t go, it isn’t always so simple. When I first went to confession I realized I fooled myself into thinking some of my sins were justified. One was, I don’t need confession I can ask for forgiveness myself. I don’t have to go to some priest. That was prideful, because it takes humility to admit your wrong to someone else, who can also point out our faults that gets us to trouble in the first place. They can also help us understand and be more forgiving for wrongs done to us. We can deceive ourselves very easily if we are not in sanctifying grace. Satan likes to whisper lies in our ears.
Since I started learning my faith and received the sacraments I have never been happier even in the midst of some heavy trials and tribulations.

I don’t think your came across prideful. Bottom line we are fighting for souls and some people think we are fighting a race for something else, but all we want is to bring all souls together in heaven and the best place to be is in the Catholic Church, she teaches all the truths. Us humans on the hand, make mistakes and that is why we need her. When you had a conversion you see so clearly. The sad part for me is that I lost out on her all these years, and it affected my family. Now that I came back she is in a mess because of poor catechizing, and unfaithful Catholics, but I will not desert her and will fight for her, now I know the truth and hopefully I will have eternity to be with God for the rest.

We must continue to pray for all of us.
GB
 
The Baptist that say Catholics are not Christians are rare indeed and usually subscribe to an ultra-Fundamentalist, Rome is the Beast, mindset.

Most Baptist believe that not *all *Catholics are Christians, which is a vastly different belief. It is best not to make too much of this because the Catholic Church never taught that all Catholics will go to heaven as well.

Baptists believe in no formal creed, but have developed a practical creed. It is a profession of faith that is capsulized in the Sinner’s Prayer. It really is not that bad. I do not know if they realize that this is actually prayed in a different form every Mass, in the form of the Pennitential Rite and the Profession of Faith. If they do, they may think it is just empty words and never personalized. Perhaps they are right in regards to some people.
 
pnewton said:
The Baptist that say Catholics are not Christians are rare indeed and usually subscribe to an ultra-Fundamentalist, Rome is the Beast, mindset.

Most Baptist believe that not *all *Catholics are Christians, which is a vastly different belief. It is best not to make too much of this because the Catholic Church never taught that all Catholics will go to heaven as well.

Baptists believe in no formal creed, but have developed a practical creed. It is a profession of faith that is capsulized in the Sinner’s Prayer. It really is not that bad. I do not know if they realize that this is actually prayed in a different form every Mass, in the form of the Pennitential Rite and the Profession of Faith. If they do, they may think it is just empty words and never personalized. Perhaps they are right in regards to some people.
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I’m not sure where people get their information. I grew up in a Baptist Church and have attended many of them. About the only time I heard the Catholic Church mentioned at chruch was during basketball season when our team played theirs. (We always won!)

Away from church, the only negatives I ever remember hearing was that Catholics were idolaters. I figured out in my teens, by myself, by going to church with Catholic friends that those that thought Catholics anything other than Christian, were mistaken. In every mass I ever attended, the salvation through Christ was all that was ever preached.

Now I realize that you can go on the internet and find nutjobs that spend their time denigrating the Catholic Church. Until I started investigating the Catholic Church for my own personal reasons, I had never heard the church described as “The Whore of Babylon”. My google queries would be along the line of “what is wrong with the Catholic Church”, etc. It seemed necessary to me to investigate why others thought it wrong. Along with the nutjobs spouting about the “Whore of Babylon”, there was a lot of the usual misunderstanding of idolatry and that Catholics misunderstood that all that was needed was faith.

In some of my searches, you can find a lot of Catholics that think the Catholic Church is on the wrong track and frankly, their discourses rank very high on the nutjob scale too.

As for the “Whore of Babylon” claim, I’ve spent a lot of time reading these forums in the last year or so. I’ve seen the phrase here more than anywhere else.

Now I’ve got to try and pull all these points together and make some sense, Might be daunting! By and large, all the Baptists I’ve ever known, have spent little to no time at all talking about Catholics. The attitudes and vitriol you might see on an anti Catholic web site or youtube video is not parroted by the average Baptist. There might be some with misconceptions but it is an honest mistake and they don’t spend anytime agonizing about it.

I recently spoke to the newest auxiliary Bishop for our Archdiocese. He is the first Bishop ever to have been born in the state of Georgia and was raised in the Baptist church and converted during college. He told me to not make the same mistake that he made when he converted. He felt he needed to distance himself from the Baptist church as much as he could. He said that was a mistake and he has since become very proud of his Baptist roots. He said the Baptists were a very God loving and very Jesus loving people and he was proud his religious upbringing started there.

No one’s perfect and there are those that are horrible in every collection of people and the Baptists have their share of those. For the most part, the average “man on the street” Baptist, is just trying to live his life as a good Christian and isn’t in the least bit concerned with what is happening at the Catholic church.
 
Brandall said:
I’m not sure where people get their information. I grew up in a Baptist Church and have attended many of them.
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I was a Baptist for my first forty years of life. I attended a SBC university, then seminary and was an ordained SBC minister.

The Whore of Babylon stuff I said was rare. Most of it comes either from Trail of Blood folks or the Jack Chick types. It’s more of a throwback from the nineteenth century anticatholic propaganda.
 
pnewton said:
I was a Baptist for my first forty years of life. I attended a SBC university, then seminary and was an ordained SBC minister.

The Whore of Babylon stuff I said was rare. Most of it comes either from Trail of Blood folks or the Jack Chick types. It’s more of a throwback from the nineteenth century anticatholic propaganda.
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Just curious where you attended seminary. My brother and another friend went to seminary in Louisville.
 
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