“brane cosmology models[69] in which inflation is due to the movement of branes in string theory; the pre-Big Bang model; the ekpyrotic model, in which the Big Bang is the result of a collision between branes; and the cyclic model, a variant of the ekpyrotic model in which collisions occur periodically. In the latter model, **the Big Bang was preceded by a Big Crunch and the Universe endlessly cycles from one process to the other.**70][71][72]
chaotic inflation, in which universal inflation ends locally here and there in a random fashion, each end-point leading to a bubble universe expanding from its own big bang.[73][74][75]
Proposals in the last two categories see the Big Bang as an event in a much larger and older Universe, or multiverse, and
not the literal beginning.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang
The point is that if there was a non-supernatural something *ELSE * in existence before big bang to create it, then big bang was not really the true beginning, as thought. For it is scientifically impossible for something to come from nothing. I’m not knocking science. I have several degrees. I’m just saying let’s stop kidding ourselves into believing that we can reach a scientifically plausible creatorless beginning since either a creatorless infinity OR God will keep moving the goal posts on us with every quantum leap in technology which produces more senstive instruments which will inevitably make the universe older and which will inevitably make fools out of previous geniuses who thought they were actually capable of reaching a creatorless beginning.
The Big Bang was the beginning of
our universe. These differning theories all have a problem for your argument, which is that as it must be infinitly old that’s rubbish and therefore there is a God. First of all, that isn’t what the theories all say and the concept of time is a little irrelevant in some cases, as time is simply another part of the universe we live in, we cannot say what time is like outside of it. It may not exist or there could be several time dimensions, just as our universe has several space dimensions. It is also likely if our universe was an offshoot of an older universe, that it too had it’s own Big Bang.
It is not impossible for something to come from nothing in science. In empty space, far from stars and planets, the space is seething with particles that pop in and out of existance. In quantum mechanics, it is possible for this to happen as long as it does so quickly enough that the universe doesn’t notice. It is possible that the Big Bang may have had a similar beginning. I know that violates “common sense” but at the quantum level our common sense doesn’t work.
I don’t know what on earth you are talking about when you say that “more sensitive instruments” will “make the universe older”. Are you talking about telescopes? We have a very exact age for the universe, it is 13.7 billiion years old. That was actually
younger than was thought before, when I was at university, we used an age of 15 billion years for the calculations. In science, we constantly question and refine our answers.
Your argument comes down to a God of gaps argument. I have always found these to be very dangerous. If tomorrow some cosmologists were to announce that they had discovered the trigger for the Big Bang, and that it had not depended on an older universe, what happens to your argument for the existance of God? My reasons for believing in God are compatible with what is known by science, not dependant on what is not.
Your argument will not persuade any scientific atheists. In fact, your arguments, because of the way you speak about science, is likely to put them off religion even more. Before I became a Catholic, this sort of thing would have driven me away. Your assumption that these “geniuses” automatically dismiss a creator is also wrong, there are many religious cosmologists, and there are those who are atheists. As I said in the previous post, science is not about “is there a creator or not?”, that is the job of religion and philosophy.
PS are your degrees in science?
