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acadiANNA
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ezduzit, I truly believe you should put more thought into Purgatory. You are not clear on it. Sorry, I just see you going in the wrong direction.
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eazyduzit
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So, you are saying…you do not sin anymore? So form the point you were born again…you have been sinless?
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Tomdstone
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You might read Matthew 25 especially verse 41 "“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’”No one goes to hell because of sins… .
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Techno2000
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St. Paul wasn’t as sure as you about his Salvation…No one goes to hell because of sins.Hell is for those who refuse to believe in Christ. According to Mt.12:31,32 there is only one unforgivable sin, that is to disbelieve the witness of the H.S.
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No, I keep on disciplining my body, making it serve me so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not somehow be disqualified.
1 Corinthians 9:27
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JMM1957
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pablope;13215926:
According to Mt.12:31,32 there is only one unforgivable sin, that is to disbelieve the witness of the H.S.You may think what you want and follow who you will, but I am saying what the Bible says.
1Jn.3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
]No one goes to hell because of sins.Hell is for those who refuse to believe in Christ.
I know that the spirit can be separate because Heb.4:12says so.
2 Peter 2:20, “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.” Defilements are sins. The wages of sin is death. Unrepentant sin leads to condemnation.
Heb.10:26, “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.”
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pablope
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pablope;13215926:
I am not asking you about what i believe…I am asking about what you believe.You may think what you want and follow who you will, but I am saying what the Bible says.
1Jn.3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
No one goes to hell because of sins.Hell is for those who refuse to believe in Christ. According to Mt.12:31,32 there is only one unforgivable sin, that is to disbelieve the witness of the H.S.
I know that the spirit can be separate because Heb.4:12says so.
You said that when one is born again, you are not a sinner anymore…that is why I asked you…after you were born again…you have not sinned since then?
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eazyduzit
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Thank you for trying to warn me. However, please notice in v.32 that this is a judgment of NATIONS, not believers. This time is the Second Coming. Jesus comes with His Church. Where are they? They are the BRETHREN in v. 40. There is no more judgement of believers sins because Jesus took the judgment for us.You might read Matthew 25 especially verse 41 "“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’”
But nice try anyway.
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eazyduzit
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Nope, Paul had perfect confidence, or he could never have said “to die is gain”.Phil.1:21St. Paul wasn’t as sure as you about his Salvation…
No, I keep on disciplining my body, making it serve me so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not somehow be disqualified.
1 Corinthians 9:27
Also,in Tm. He speaks of the crowns or rewards laid up for him in heaven.
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eazyduzit
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eazyduzit;13216945:
I am showing you what i believe. One can only be a saint or a sinner, there is no in between. If i sin it doesn’t mean i am thereby a sinner. No saint is perfect in an absolute sense.only Jesus was perfect. The Bible says “if any man sins, he has an advocate who is Jesus, who ever lives to intercede for me.” Thus, i am not a sinner because Jesus’s intercession never fails, at least not if one maintains his faith in the power of the blood.I am not asking you about what i believe…I am asking about what you believe.
You said that when one is born again, you are not a sinner anymore…that is why I asked you…after you were born again…you have not sinned since then?
All saints sin, but they are not sinners, because that is what the Bible says. I must get my truth from the Bible, not by looking at myself. For example, if the doctor says I have a bad kidney and i will need a transplant, that is not the truth for me according to the Bible. It says by His stripes i have been healed. I need to agree with God’s truth and not what appears to be a fact. Can you see this?
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eazyduzit
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eazyduzit;13216945:
of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first." Defilements are sins. The wages of sin is death. Unrepentant sin leads to condemnation.2 Peter 2:20, "For if, after they have escaped the defilements
Heb.10:26, “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.”
Peter is speaking here of false prophets and their lies that entangle and draw people away from the truth.
Heb.10 is concerned with Jewish Believers who want to return to the old ways of the law and the sacrifices for forgiveness rather than accepting forgiveness by faith according to the New Covenant.
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Techno2000
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Right, all that is true if he… perseveres to the end.Nope, Paul had perfect confidence, or he could never have said “to die is gain”.Phil.1:21
Also,in Tm. He speaks of the crowns or rewards laid up for him in heaven.
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steve_b
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We believe, because we were taught it by the Church Jesus established.I’m learning a lot about why people want to believe in purgatory. (It’s not only Catholics) . Here are some misconceptions.
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Scripture condemns that notion
- If you have been born again, then you are not a sinner anymore.
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Baptism = born againYou have a new spirit. You are a member of the body of Christ in which there can be no sin.
Salvation includes much more than just forgiveness.
- that does not inoculate anyone from sin.
- it does not automatically forgive future sins one commits after being baptised.
Who is feeding you this nonsense2.The qualification for heaven is not about sins, but about faith in Christ.
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The soul is judged. It experiences what was done in the body, good or bad…either heaven or hell. Soul and body WILL reunite again at the end of time, whether a soul is in heaven at the time, or in hell.
- When we die, it is our spirit that departs, not the flesh. But it was the flesh that did the sinning.
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Scripture showsThe Bible states that there are three ways in which we sin. Lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, pride of life. These are plainly things of the flesh. How are you going to fix it in the spirit? I hope you will agree that is absurd.
The soul has memory intellect and will fully functional forever. The soul does not sleep it does not die. It is immortal. At death of the body the soul is judged immediately by Jesus. It goes immediately to heaven, with possibly purgatory first, or it goes to hell. It knows and experiences where it is without a body… The resurrected body at the end of the world, will reunite to the soul. If a soul was already in heaven at that time, then body and soul will be in heaven at the 2nd coming… If the soul was in hell at that time, then body and soul will be together again in hell…forever
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Tomdstone
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What is the soul doing when you are sleeping and dreaming of something? If the soul is not sleeping, are we responsible for our lustful dreams?The soul does not sleep
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JustaServant
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An agenda seems to be arising out of your postings. An agenda of proselytizing. I would suggest you read the five year old sticky the mod put up at the top of the forum.Sorry that i am only now getting back to review this thread. I’m learning a lot about why people want to believe in purgatory. (It’s not only Catholics) . Here are some misconceptions.
2.The qualification for heaven is not about sins, but about faith in Christ.
- If you have been born again, then you are not a sinner anymore. You have a new spirit. You are a member of the body of Christ in which there can be no sin.
Salvation includes much more than just forgiveness.
- When we die,it is our spirit that departs, not the flesh. But it was the flesh that did the sinning. The Bible states that there are three ways in which we sin. Lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, pride of life. These are plainly things of the flesh. How are you going to fix it in the spirit? I hope you will agree that is absurd.
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JMM1957
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JMM1957;13217618:
I didn’t ask you what 2 Peter 2:20 meant, I already know that. I gave you this verse to counter what you said earlier, “No one goes to hell because of sins. Hell is for those who refuse to believe in Christ.” In regards to what Peter said, how do suppose that the false prophets will be dealt with in the end? I think you are missing the point of what Peter is saying…anyone who has come to a knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and then falls back into the defilements of the world, are worse off than the first time. Does that sound like these people would be saved if they didn’t repent again?Peter is speaking here of false prophets and their lies that entangle and draw people away from the truth.
Heb.10 is concerned with Jewish Believers who want to return to the old ways of the law and the sacrifices for forgiveness rather than accepting forgiveness by faith according to the New Covenant.
Hebrews 10:26, again you are just interpreting what I already know, I realize that Paul is speaking to Jewish Christians, but what does he say here? That whoever continues to sin deliberately after coming to a knowledge of the truth in Jesus Christ makes the sacrifice for sins void. Are the people who do these things saved without repentence again?
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JMM1957
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I see it more of refusing to deal with the issue of “sin”, and how it impacts our relationship with God, especially sinning after we come to a knowledge of the truth in Jesus Christ.An agenda seems to be arising out of your postings. An agenda of proselytizing. I would suggest you read the five year old sticky the mod put up at the top of the forum.
easyduzit says: “No one goes to hell because of sins.Hell is for those who refuse to believe in Christ.” Since when is refusal to believe in Christ not a sin? If you don’t go to hell for unrepentant sin, then where do you go?
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opulumpu
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pablope;13217881:
Sorry, but NO, I can not see it. You have blown me away with your contorted belief!!!. “If i sin it dosen’t mean i am thereby a sinner” So are you a saint even though you have sinned? Let me re-phrase my question: Are you saying that once you accept Christ, and thereby believe in God, (or vice versa) you can not sin any more?..meaning you will always be a saint? no matter say if you commit robbery, murder steal or whatever.I am showing you what i believe. One can only be a saint or a sinner, there is no in between. If i sin it doesn’t mean i am thereby a sinner. No saint is perfect in an absolute sense.only Jesus was perfect. The Bible says “if any man sins, he has an advocate who is Jesus, who ever lives to intercede for me.” Thus, i am not a sinner because Jesus’s intercession never fails, at least not if one maintains his faith in the power of the blood.
All saints sin, but they are not sinners, because that is what the Bible says. I must get my truth from the Bible, not by looking at myself. For example, if the doctor says I have a bad kidney and i will need a transplant, that is not the truth for me according to the Bible. It says by His stripes i have been healed. I need to agree with God’s truth and not what appears to be a fact. Can you see this?
Your belief system reminds me of the 9-11 terorrists or Boko Haram or ISIS…any crime is not a crime so long as you believe in God and you are commiting that crime to advance the knowledge and worship of God. They died as “mytrys” those 9-11 bunch, didn’t they?
You say that one can either be a saint or a sinner and nothing in between. Fair enough. Please what is your definition of “saint”. From what I have read and believe, saints are in heaven and spotless because nothing unclean gets into Heaven; they were sinners to various degrees while they were here on earth. So you have to be dead to be a saint or alive here on earth as a sinner.
This is a classic example of why it is not adviseable to read and inteprete the Bible on your own…withness the 40,000 Christian denominations we have.
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Eric_Hilbert
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Fix your quote feature guys.
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Tomdstone
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Since the time when the person was invincibly ignorant.Since when is refusal to believe in Christ not a sin?
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