Why do Catholics distrust Muslims?

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Seems like you above current post contradicts your statement from a few days back…

And now you are saying that …" if evidence was presented to me which offered me an adequate explanation, I would happily return. …"
I take what I see as a reasonable and completely non-contradictory approach. Based on the evidence as I see it, I am confident that my doubts about the Bible and the Church are correct and that my decision to leave is correct.

However, if evidence would be presented to me which changed my mind then as I say, I would change my mind. But given the strength of my doubts, this evidence would have to be extraordinary, if not completely impossible to produce.

It’s the same approach Richard Dawkins takes in relation to Creationism, and it is completely rational.
 
I’ve read the Qur’an, partially in the original Arabic and partially in my native French and in English. I’ve also read the majority of the hadith and also on subjects such as Islamic history (something I studied at college actually) and more recently into fiqh and shariaah.

Wrong again. Some Islamic countries such as Turkey have strong Islamic following but have little in the way of religious laws imposed on their citizens. Ditto Indonesia and Egypt too.

And saying Islam is the same for every Muslim across the world is like arguing that every Christian in the world is the same. Yes, the beliefs of Islam remain the same across the world, but the actual cultures of the people who follow those beliefs are very much different.

I know that I wear the niqab entirely because I PERSONALLY made that choice to do so. Ditto the grand majority of Muslim women I’ve ever come across, from many different countries. In Muslim countries such as Tunisia, the full face niqab was actually quite rare until recently.
I should point out that covering the entire body and face veiling isn’t just common to Islam. There is a tradition of face-veiling in some forms of Orthodox Jewish communities,

I’m not just looking for a social group to join, I’m joining Islam because I believe it to be the truth. I’m actually a lot more well read in Christianity than you possibly think, including being able to read Koine Greek fluently and Latin as well, as well as having studied philosophy.
And the reason I left my church was because I could not lie to myself over the glaring problems of the Bible and of the entire Christian theological system. However I am willing to concede that if evidence was presented to me which offered me an adequate explanation, I would happily return.

As to the apostasy comment, this is simply incorrect. I have on my laptop an excellent article on this subject should it be something of interest.
Kind of feel like its same thing over and over again. Islam is great, Bible has problems, Muslims are great people, its handful of “extremists” that are causing usues. :rolleyes:
  1. If you actually read the Quran, why are you ignoring the obvious? And I am not even talking about verses that talk about killing unbelivers, etc. I am talking about the way Quran is laid out-where later verses supercede the earlier “nicer” ones. Noone can misinterpret it. Like I said, closing your eyes to the truth doesn’t make it go away
  2. You are completely confusing words “culture” and “Islam”-I am not referring to any cultural practices. My point is this-you either believe the Quran and follow the Sharia law or you don’t. It’s the same across any Muslim country.
  3. You are doing something voluntarily only because you are able to make that choice by living in the western country. I heard an argument from Arab women who live in countries where hijab is mandatory and failure to veil is punishable by law yet some insist that they are wearing it by “choice”. It’s a complete fallacy
  4. What “glaring problems” does the Bible have? I hope you are not going to go into “its been corrupted” again
  5. If you think that Quran is without fault and makes perfect sense, you have a lot of learning still to do
  6. By all means, post article about apostacy-I can’t wait to read it. Should be interesting to know how its explaining it away. Too bad Iranians haven’t read it since they just sentenced a Muslim who left Islam and converted to Christianity to death.
    P.S. I just realized that you posted all these objections before and others have refuted it still you do the same thing over and over. Why do you bother asking if you are so convinced that Islam is the right path?
 
…" if evidence was presented to me which offered me an adequate explanation, I would happily return. …"

IMHO??? This is an unfortunate situation and I’ll explain. I’m good with Gods the Creator and He created Mankind including Islam. I also understand the middle-east is restricted by large to information, let alone 70% are illiterate in the Middle-East. So can we say if someone has no knowledge of Bible, and how Christ is taught through scripture, lives a perfectly holy life in charity, then the concept of ignorance comes into play. I’ll go with that.

On the other hand knowing the Bible, and Christ died on the Cross and Scriptural teaching, and you ignore this, let alone living some type of secular style of life?

Well I would say there’s a fundemental problem there. For sure.

The verdict is this, regardless what hand one is dealt in this world, thats the hand you play. If its a trial than too it is a Blessing by the Lord. You walk toward the Cross, constant church/eucharist/prayer…put your life in Gods hand. If the world persecutes you? So too they did the Lord.

Peace
 
I take what I see as a reasonable and completely non-contradictory approach. Based on the evidence as I see it, I am confident that my doubts about the Bible and the Church are correct and that my decision to leave is correct.

However, if evidence would be presented to me which changed my mind then as I say, I would change my mind. But given the strength of my doubts, this evidence would have to be extraordinary, if not completely impossible to produce.

It’s the same approach Richard Dawkins takes in relation to Creationism, and it is completely rational.
This post makes as much sense as :

… there is no compulsion in religion… verse

And the

… fight them and kill them unless they surrender to islam and pay the dhmimmi tax and make them second class citizens… verse
 
However, if evidence would be presented to me which changed my mind then as I say, I would change my mind. But given the strength of my doubts, this evidence would have to be extraordinary, if not completely impossible to produce.
What “evidence” do you or any muslim have that mohamad was visited by a “so called angel” in a cave. There were no witnesses to it.

Even his companions or his wives never witnessed the “so called angel”

Where is that evidence…??
 
This post makes as much sense as :

… there is no compulsion in religion… verse

And the

… fight them and kill them unless they surrender to islam and pay the dhmimmi tax and make them second class citizens… verse
has to do with nicer verses that were abrogaded at later date by “bad” verses(the ones who talk about killing infidels and all that) which means that “nicer” verses no longer apply. FYI, mostly used to convince others how Islam is a “religion of peace”:rolleyes:
 
What “evidence” do you or any muslim have that mohamad was visited by a “so called angel” in a cave. There were no witnesses to it.

Even his companions or his wives never witnessed the “so called angel”

Where is that evidence…??
The very Quran itself is a proof of the divine. Muhammad (sAllahu alayhii wasalaam) himself was illiterate and still managed to bring to the world the beautiful Arabic text of the Quran. How could a man with this little education bring forth such a complex work? He could not but Allah is All Powerful and very much capable. And the actual story of the visitation is itself included in the Quran.

BTW Musa or Moses was alone when he came across the Burning Bush and he had the entire Israelite people follow him.
 
This is futile.

بِسۡمِ اللّٰہِ الرَّحۡمٰنِ الرَّحِیۡمِ
  1. قُلۡ یٰۤاَیُّہَا الۡکٰفِرُوۡنَ
  2. لَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ مَا تَعۡبُدُوۡنَ
  3. وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُۚ
  4. وَ لَاۤ اَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدۡتُّمۡ
  5. وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُؕ
  6. لَکُمۡ دِیۡنُکُمۡ وَلِیَ دِیۡنِ
 
****The very Quran itself is a proof of the divine/****B]. Muhammad (sAllahu alayhii wasalaam) himself was illiterate and still managed to bring to the world the beautiful Arabic text of the Quran. How could a man with this little education bring forth such a complex work? He could not but Allah is All Powerful and very much capable. And the actual story of the visitation is itself included in the Quran.

BTW Musa or Moses was alone when he came across the Burning Bush and he had the entire Israelite people follow him.[/QUOT

*I rest my case.:rolleyes:as jakasaki said, this discussion is futile…Quran is true because it exists…yeah, I better convert quick:thumbsup:
 
Quran is true because it exists…yeah, I better convert quick👍
What’s sad is that’s actually one of their favorite (most effective?) talking points when trying to convert people. You can’t reason a person out of something they weren’t reasoned into.
 
The very Quran itself is a proof of the divine. Muhammad (sAllahu alayhii wasalaam) himself was illiterate and still managed to bring to the world the beautiful Arabic text of the Quran. How could a man with this little education bring forth such a complex work? He could not but Allah is All Powerful and very much capable. And the actual story of the visitation is itself included in the Quran.

BTW Musa or Moses was alone when he came across the Burning Bush and he had the entire Israelite people follow him.
Homer was illiterate, that does not make his works divine. Literacy is not a requirement for complex and/or beautiful works of prose or a requirement for complex thought/ideas.
 
What’s sad is that’s actually one of their favorite (most effective?) talking points when trying to convert people. You can’t reason a person out of something they weren’t reasoned into.
before I become Christian( I was agnostic most of my life), if someone would have said to me"Bible is the Truth, because it exists", I would have been like:rotfl:
the precise reason I became Christian is because of historical evidence and because Christianity made sense more than any other religion. “Logic” and “Quran” do not really go together :nope
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So what do we do??
I think we get down on our knees folks and pray, because this if ever there was a case of something being impossible to man, this is it.
Only God can help us solve it.
I’m reading Fr. Apostoli’s book: Fatima today. and he makes an interesting point. It was no coincidence that Mary appeared to the children in the only place in Portugal with an Islamic name.
She asked the children to pray for poor sinners and for world peace. She also said that God wanted devotion to her Immaculate heart to be spread around the world, and that only she could help us.
Just as she brought our Saviour into the world now she will help Him bring peace to the world, through our prayers.
Pray the rosary and the Fatima prayers for peace.
 
We haven’t helped matters at all. We have done nothing to help persecuted Christians, on the other hand we have gone out of our way to help persecuted muslims.

Even more astounding is we throw money and food at them which they buy more weapons with. And all this while we have Hillary teaching womens liberation instead of teaching correct moral ethical philosophy and theology.

Granted its a time consuming process, however in New Guinea for example the church started from scratch 15-years ago once again, and has had great success in a turn from cannibalism and voo-doo to Christ, we have spent 11-years now in the middle-east and have done absolutely nothing to bring civil ethical education to the region.

Seems to me if this is what we are to continue, we should cut the electrical power in the West and re-educate this country. There’s a failure to communicate, yes across the pond, but that failure begins with us here.

And of course prayer is what offsets that which we have no-control over. Nevertheless when we do have an opportunity to teach through the military, the message cannot be how to fight better and strive for monetary gain. And that is what we are teaching. Corrupt politics is breeding corrupt politics, then we call it corrupt.
 
Homer was illiterate, that does not make his works divine. Literacy is not a requirement for complex and/or beautiful works of prose or a requirement for complex thought/ideas.
I should also add that the Quran also contains ideas and facts which Muhammad (peace be upon him) could nt simply have made up or read about somewhere else. For one thing, some of these ideas were not even discovered (such as the relationship between salt and freshwater sources) until much later. There is also the formation of the embryo, various biological theories and others which are mentioned in the Quran but were not discovered or proven until some time after the revelation of the Quran.
 
I should also add that the Quran also contains ideas and facts which Muhammad (peace be upon him) could nt simply have made up or read about somewhere else. For one thing, some of these ideas were not even discovered (such as the relationship between salt and freshwater sources) until much later. There is also the formation of the embryo, various biological theories and others which are mentioned in the Quran but were not discovered or proven until some time after the revelation of the Quran.
Right. He had excellent cosmic knowledge such as the fact that the Sun’s setting is, (as Mohammed witnessed it as recorded in this wonderful book of Allah), due to the sun dunking into a muddy pool at the edge of the Universe!- Your book says that Mohammed travelled to the edge of the universe on some creature from heaven and WITNESSED this! I just don’t know how many astronomers and physicists would be willing to corroborate this :hmmm:

Yeah, I’m sure such wonderful knowledge of the universe could not have come from Mohammed’s “simple, illiterate mind” but from Allah himself :rolleyes:
 
I should also add that the Quran also contains ideas and facts which Muhammad (peace be upon him) could nt simply have made up or read about somewhere else. For one thing, some of these ideas were not even discovered (such as the relationship between salt and freshwater sources) until much later. There is also the formation of the embryo, various biological theories and others which are mentioned in the Quran but were not discovered or proven until some time after the revelation of the Quran.
Does that mean Da Vinci was also divinely inspired? Or that the creater of the Antikythera mechanism was a prophet? Or that the ancient Greeks and Indians who theorized about the atom were prophets? If the validity of the Quran being divine hinges on it being scientifically accurate, then one has to ask a)does it put forth scientifically false theories/information b)do the passages from which you got those examples really mean that, or has meaning been placed into them * and c)why were these examples so important to His message that God would have them included in the Quran.*
 
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