Why do Catholics distrust Muslims?

[jakasaki]

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Kou-

You first based the Quran being divine on it containing information concerning the development of embryos that did not exist at that time. It did [Galen, which the Quran mirrors rather too closely], it had existed for several hundred years.

Then put forth that Muhammad couldn’t have known about that knowledge. Its rather reasonable that he, or someone close to him did (like Ibn-Kalada [a learned medical doctor] or his cousin al-Nasar [another medical doctor]. Mecca served as a trade hub and a pagan religous hub; Muhammad’s tribe had a heavy interest in trade; major intellectual centers where either close [geographically speaking] or connected to Mecca through trade, and Greek and Latin works were already being translated into the various langauges of the region. Top this off with several hundred years for said information to spread [especially in a region so tied to trade] and it is very reasonable to conclude that Muhammad had easy access to the information.

And now it is how could he have selected the right theory. Well selecting the right theory is the basis for the divine, then shouldn’t Galen [whose works have been noted to be very similar to the Quran, starting with Ibn-Kalada] be considered divinely inspired as well; especially since he put forth his theory prior to Muhammad?

As for your dismisal of the much older texts “You forget one thing: I’m an ancient history major. I’ve read most of these texts.”]-
a) You being a history major doesn’t matter. I have a BA in history and a MA in political science; that doesn’t make me an expert [let alone a valid authority] on early Church history or early Church politics.
b) You telling us you have read them does not refute them or actually invalidate the argument put forth.

Additionally, if Muhammad was given medical knowledge by God, why did Muhammad send people to others for medical treatment. And then all the stuff I asked in my last post addressed to you.

 

[jakasaki]

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The issue at hand isn’t that muhammed got it right, and we are looking for how he could have gotten it right

The issue at hand is, the statements in the quran and hadith concerning embryonic science (And all other science, for that matter) are dead wrong and don’t even come close to mirroring reality, they do however, parrot the WRONG theories of persons like Galen, who’s works where very influential in that time and area, muhammed got it wrong, and in a multicultural hellenized middle east of that period, he had access to what Galen taught, and simply repeated his errors

The quran never mentions the egg
The quran says bones come before flesh, they occur at the same time, and if anything bones come later since they don’t fully calcify until after a period of birth (ancient Egyptians used to wrap towels around the head of an infant to give it a “Cone” look as the bones where calcifying)

And many others, there are many sites dealing with exposing the false assumption of quranic accuracy

The quran contains apocraphyl gnostic texts ( Infancy gospel, jesus with the clay birds) jewish folklore ( Abraham and the idols) bad science (Stars made to shoot down djinns although they have nothing in common with shooting stars which are totally different) local legends (Djinns, alexander the great etc) and last but not least time conflation (Mixing up different people and events from Biblical narratives and placing them in the same era, another major source of embarrassment for muslim believers)

All in all, the quran is EXACTLY what one would expect coming from someone from that time and geographical area, muhammed was very much a man of his time and the quran shows the superstitions, folklores and mistakes one would expect of an ignorant person or group of people

 

[jakasaki]

Would someone mind quoting my posts that are directed toward Kouyate. I can only assume she has not bothered to respond to them because she can not see them, not because she is ignoring them. Thank you.

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Please quote Aaron’s as well. Apparently she is also unable to see his posts. Thank you.

Army Vet~

I just bumped both posts. One of two things are happening.

Either she has you on “blocked” and therefore whatever you post is not visible to her, or the second option is that she is just ignoring the posts.

 

[Armyvet007]

Thank you Jak. I’m not trying to be a troll or harass Kou, but the fact he/she [his/her gender is in question due to his/her own past posts] responds to easy challenges [those which can be explained as originating from other then Islam] and failure to respond to questions like mine, or better yet Aaron’s, has me rather irked.

 

[yellowbird]

You still ignore my point. The IRA bombings and attacks killed people indiscriminitely including both Catholics and Protestants. Similarly ETA did much the same. Ditto Al Qaida and their terrorist activities which have killed innocent Muslims all around the world without a thought.

Why would the fact that Muslim terrorists sometimes inadvertenly kill other Muslims make me more trusting of Muslims??? If anything, it makes me less trusting. They clearly don’t care who they kill to make their point.

Terrorist = Muslim. Not always, but more often than not.

 

[Kouyate42]

Why would the fact that Muslim terrorists sometimes inadvertenly kill other Muslims make me more trusting of Muslims??? If anything, it makes me less trusting. They clearly don’t care who they kill to make their point.

Terrorist = Muslim. Not always, but more often than not.

Just because something has a Muslim label slapped on it doesn’t make it any more Islamic. Often people will compromise religious beliefs for their own ends, often from ignorance or poor education but more so from deliberate cherry-picking or twisting of Qur’an to suit their needs. Such actions if done deliberately are morally unacceptable and Allah will be quick to show them the punishment for their evil in the Hereafter.

I suggest you read this: islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

You might learn something. All it takes is a few seconds to do a Google search.

 

[exoflare]

Thank you Jak. I’m not trying to be a troll or harass Kou, but the fact he/she [his/her gender is in question due to his/her own past posts] responds to easy challenges [those which can be explained as originating from other then Islam] and failure to respond to questions like mine, or better yet Aaron’s, has me rather irked.

Don’t hold your breath.

 

[Kouyate42]

Don’t hold your breath.

I’d be wasting time trying to explain anything to anyone in this thread. I could be Muhammad (saw) himself and still no-one would take any notice of anything I write. Because their minds are made up already and their ears are quite firmly shut.

And the Qur’an actually warns of people like them.

 

[jakasaki]

I’d be wasting time trying to explain anything to anyone in this thread.

Then please do explain why you are here…? It seems you are dodging questions from different posters. Your statement is nothing but a cop-out!

I could be Muhammad (saw) himself and still no-one would take any notice of anything I write.

Aligning yourself with mohamad is an insult to your newly founded ideology

Because their minds are made up already and their ears are quite firmly shut.

Could it be that you are in no position to discuss the issues and replies…? Sounds like it. You have ignored replies posted against your posts.

 

[yellowbird]

And the Qur’an actually warns of people like them.

Infidels?

 

[Armyvet007]

I’d be wasting time trying to explain anything to anyone in this thread. I could be Muhammad (saw) himself and still no-one would take any notice of anything I write. Because their minds are made up already and their ears are quite firmly shut.

And the Qur’an actually warns of people like them.

My posts, and others like mine, indicate that individuals on this thread are paying attention to what you write; that’s why you are ignoring them. Your issue is that my posts ignore the actions of Muslims and looks at the faith itself. It is easy to counter a post that only looks at what extremists within Islam do, it is far harder to counter a post that points to error within what Islam teaches or claims. You in fact ignore my posts, and those like mine, because you can not counter them, not because I’m closed minded. Rather ironic that the last two sentences of your above post apply to what you have been doing.

 

[Kouyate42]

Then please do explain why you are here…? It seems you are dodging questions from different posters. Your statement is nothing but a cop-out!

I am here because I admire the Catholic faith and wish to learn about it.

You might find that I wasnt aligning myself with Muhammad but making the point that you and others could be debatimg the Prophet (saw) himself and you would not listen because it seems that you are more interested in trying to find fault with Islam than learning anything.
Indeed in the Sunnah ad Quran there are instance where this happened to the Prophet PBUH.

Either way I will go and edit that post becuase I was annoyed when I typed that.

Could it be that you are in no position to discuss the issues and replies…? Sounds like it. You have ignored replies posted against your posts.

I am not ignoring posts but I will have to further research them before commenting. I am NOT an Islamic encyclopedia. Or Wikipedia.

Damn you are on my Ignore list and you are still annoying me.

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[Kouyate42]

I’d be wasting time trying to explain anything to anyone in this thread. Muhammad (saw) himself could talk with these people and still no-one would take any notice of anything he said to them. Because their minds are made up already and their ears are quite firmly shut.

And the Qur’an actually warns of people like them.

 

[exoflare]

Damn you are on my Ignore list and you are still annoying me.

whoa nelly

 

[aschaefer]

Does anyone know the reason Muslims do not eat pork? Is it the same reason religious Jews don’t eat pork? Just wondering.:Thanks!

 

[Kouyate42]

Does anyone know the reason Muslims do not eat pork? Is it the same reason religious Jews don’t eat pork? Just wondering.:Thanks!

Aside from the Quranic command not to eat it there are also other considerations. One of which is that the pig by nature is a very dirty animal which eats anything and wallows in mud. Such an animal is not fit to be eaten.

 

[aschaefer]

Thanks!
No alcohol is allowed either - anything else?

 

[Kouyate42]

Thanks!
No alcohol is allowed either - anything else?

Music to some extent is also banned in Islam as an intoxicant although there is some debate as to whether this means that all musical instruments barring the small hand drums or percussion is allowed or whether music is permissible where the lyrics and music do not promote anything considered haraam or forbidden.

There are also restrictions on whether women ca sing in public barring special occasions such as weddings or festivals. Women are also forbidden from leading prayer services where men are present. They can however lead women only events.

There are also prohibitions in Islam on drugs which are considered harmful to the body and taking away from time which could be spent with Allah in devotion. Againg there is debate as to whether cigarettes are in the category of drugs and the general teaching is that smoking is marukh or looked down upon.

 

[jakasaki]

Aside from the Quranic command not to eat it there are also other considerations. One of which is that the pig by nature is a very dirty animal which eats anything and wallows in mud. Such an animal is not fit to be eaten.

Check your posts in February - your drinking of alcohol, your eating of pepperoni and your eating of bacon - all that is haram under islam.

The pig of the 7th century is not the pig of today, 21st century.

 

[jakasaki]

Does anyone know the reason Muslims do not eat pork? Is it the same reason religious Jews don’t eat pork? Just wondering.:Thanks!

Yeah - look & read about it the their koran.

Their prophet said not to eat swine -

Were did he get that, he got it from the Jews living in Medina

Now, how did the Jews get their laws… It’s under Leviticus dietary food laws.

Read Leviticus

In Leviticus… Besides labeling many forbidden foods, yes one being the swine, it is also stated that one should not eat camel and one should not eat lizard.

But the muslims do eat camel & the muslims to eat lizard.

Why does their koran not mention those forbidden foods…

It’s because their self proclaimed prophet knew that if he forbids camel & lizard from his new followers, they would drop him like a hot potato because they would starve.