Why do Catholics distrust Muslims?

[Kouyate42]

Check your posts in February - your drinking of alcohol, your eating of pepperoni and your eating of bacon - all that is haram under islam.

The pig of the 7th century is not the pig of today, 21st century.

I have not eaten bacon in some weeks and I have not drank alcohol for some time either. I have made a promise to Allah in my heart not to do those haraam things now.

Plus prok and pig meat is actually really fattening and bad for you.

 

[jakasaki]

Music to some extent is also banned in Islam as an intoxicant although there is some debate as to whether this means that all musical instruments barring the small hand drums or percussion is allowed or whether music is permissible where the lyrics and music do not promote anything considered haraam or forbidden.

There are also restrictions on whether women ca sing in public barring special occasions such as weddings or festivals. Women are also forbidden from leading prayer services where men are present. They can however lead women only events.

There are also prohibitions in Islam on drugs which are considered harmful to the body and taking away from time which could be spent with Allah in devotion. Againg there is debate as to whether cigarettes are in the category of drugs and the general teaching is that smoking is marukh or looked down upon.

Yes indeed - no alcohol in which you have already posted you indulge in to a point of …

Also, just last month you wanted to get your nose pieced which is against islam.

Also, just recently you posted about it’s hard not smocking cigs and you claimed you are smoking something else

Also, just recently posted about you taking medications and drinking alcohol

And if I remember correctly,… it was only a few weeks ago you posted that you got a job teaching music or guitar.

 

[jakasaki]

jakasaki;9036114:

Then please do explain why you are here…? It seems you are dodging questions from different posters. Your statement is nothing but a cop-out!

I am here because I admire the Catholic faith and wish to learn about it.

Madam:

If I annoy you it is not my intention, if you feel that you are annoyed it’s because of you.

You as a member of this forum need to be responsible for your postings and have the common courtesy to reply to members who do address you posts.

You can put me on your ignore list but that doesn’t mean I cannot and will not reply.

You have stated through out your posts an huge amount of educational accolades to your curriculum vitea.

You have stated that you are knowledgeable and have studied so much…

I can quote your posts if you wish…

 

[Kouyate42]

Yes indeed - no alcohol in which you have already posted you indulge in to a point of …

Also, just last month you wanted to get your nose pieced which is against islam.

Also, just recently you posted about it’s hard not smocking cigs and you claimed you are smoking something else

Also, just recently posted about you taking medications and drinking alcohol

And if I remember correctly,… it was only a few weeks ago you posted that you got a job teaching music or guitar.

If nose piercing is against Islam then pretty much every Pakistani woman I have met is in BIG trouble. Even some women at my own masjid have their noses pierced.

As to drugs I will freely admit to smoking hookah but I gnerally stick to herbal non tobacco mixtures. This is no different to what you will find in Muslim countries.

As to the music as I said theres a lot of debate as to whether guitar is permissble. But it is worth mentioning that without Islam the guitar in its current form would not exist. It was Islam which gave instruments frets and introduced music theory tothe West.

My medication is my anti depressants which I actually need and which were prescribed by a MUSLIM doctor.

 

[yellowbird]

Is it true that Muslims cannot keep dogs as pets?

 

[jakasaki]

Read your koran:

Allah does not approve if you do anything to your body.

“There is no altering Allah’s creation.

(Ar-Rum: 30); “

And do not cast yourselves into destruction by your own hands.”

Al-Baqarah: 195).

 

[jakasaki]

Is it true that Muslims cannot keep dogs as pets?

They cannot have them as pets, like in your house and such, but they can have them outdoors as “protectors”.

 

[Armyvet007]

Is it true that Muslims cannot keep dogs as pets?

Given the amount of guard dogs I saw in Iraq, I would think that it is false. Also, PBS had a show [NOVA maybe] on dogs in which one of the breeds covered was one developed by Arab tribesmen.

 

[jakasaki]

If nose piercing is against Islam then pretty much every Pakistani woman I have met is in BIG trouble. Even some women at my own masjid have their noses pierced.

Why would you even mention about Pakistani woman with piercings and some other woman in your masjid…

 

[Kouyate42]

Given the amount of guard dogs I saw in Iraq, I would think that it is false. Also, PBS had a show [NOVA maybe] on dogs in which one of the breeds covered was one developed by Arab tribesmen.

The Quran generally allows dogs for working purposes such as hunting or for guarding property. But dog saliva is considered unclean and as a house is considered a house of prayer it is seen as inappropriate to have dogs housed within the home itself. It is more than permiisble however to keep dogs in outside accomodation.

There has been discussion in more recent times as to whether guide dogs are allowed in Islam as they are working dogs in a sense but are usually to be found in houses.

 

[Armyvet007]

The Quran generally allows dogs for working purposes such as hunting or for guarding property. But dog saliva is considered unclean and as a house is considered a house of prayer it is seen as inappropriate to have dogs housed within the home itself. It is more than permiisble however to keep dogs in outside accomodation.

There has been discussion in more recent times as to whether guide dogs are allowed in Islam as they are working dogs in a sense but are usually to be found in houses.

Which would match with my time in Iraq, i.e. no dogs in the houses, just outside. I am still irked that you have ignored my other posts by the way.

 

[Kouyate42]

Which would match with my time in Iraq, i.e. no dogs in the houses, just outside. I am still irked that you have ignored my other posts by the way.

I can only apologize for ignoring any posts you may have made which I haven’t answered, as I will have to research some material and then respond to you.

 

[aschaefer]

Check your posts in February - your drinking of alcohol, your eating of pepperoni and your eating of bacon - all that is haram under islam.

The pig of the 7th century is not the pig of today, 21st century.

True, but I know that pork is still not consumed today. Does it have anything to do with the hooves, as with Kosher animals?

 

[Bev17243]

You forget something. My own country was subject to its own terrorist attacks on 7/7 and yes the terrorists were Muslim but it is also important to realize they were also British. Yet when it was reported in the news that it was down to ISlam and all mention of their nationality was completely erased. What should have shocked peope was not that the terroists were Muslims but the fact they had turned on their own countrys citizens. Yet people didnt want to know that and so a convenient hyped up religious label was attached to the whole thing despite Islam abhorring terrrorism. It is more than possible to be Muslim and to be American or British or indeed any nationality you choose. You might want to rremember that.

Way to ignore my point. I would also argue that much of the Islamic terrorism is done for political reasonings. It can be all too easy to formulate some huge political agenflda and then add to it some sense of plausibility by adding to it a God label as though you are on some divine mission.

You still ignore my point. The IRA bombings and attacks killed people indiscriminitely including both Catholics and Protestants. Similarly ETA did much the same. Ditto Al Qaida and their terrorist activities which have killed innocent Muslims all around the world without a thought.

terrorists in question were British Muslims, so what is the point you are trying to make? They were still terrorists, weren’t they, British or whatever nationality, what difference does it make?

I also don’t think I’m going to be worried about IRA members trying to blow up a plane with explosive underwear.
As for innocent Muslims being killed by other Muslims, we will leave the Shiites and Shia Muslim wars for another day…

 

[Kouyate42]

True, but I know that pork is still not consumed today. Does it have anything to do with the hooves, as with Kosher animals?

Pork is still not consumed today based on several grounds. In addition to a total Qur’anic ban, which is generally sufficient for Muslims, Islamic scholars cite several other reasons for Muslims not being allowed to eat pork.

Firstly, pork is viewed as having little benefits to eating it, as it is generally quite fatty and causes heart problems, hypertension and even the likes of parasites including pinworms and tapeworms. Cooking pork well is not a guarantee that these parasites will be killed either, as studies have shown that sufferers of these parasites often DID cook the meat properly.

Secondly, pigs are seen as filthy animals in Islam. Even in modern conditions, they will still eat their own excrement and dirt, as well as foraging in the mud for food.

With both pork and alcohol, the benefits of consumption are FAR outweighed by the consequences.

terrorists in question were British Muslims, so what is the point you are trying to make? They were still terrorists, weren’t they, British or whatever nationality, what difference does it make?

I also don’t think I’m going to be worried about IRA members trying to blow up a plane with explosive underwear.
As for innocent Muslims being killed by other Muslims, we will leave the Shiites and Shia Muslim wars for another day…

It matters because it was a case of British citizens attacking British citizens, and religion came second. There have been plenty of attacks of British citizens by their own which had nothing to do with Islam. Religion isn’t the single thing to connect these attacks.

 

[Bev17243]

very nice PC tairy tale but evidence speaks for itself as to whether religious teachings had anything to do with it.

 

[BlindManWalking]

I find that if I drown the pork worms in copious amounts of alcohol, I suffer no issues.

What’s better on a Saturday afternoon than cooking some ribs with friends and drinking a few beers? Outside of going to Mass the next morning, not much.

 

[jakasaki]

terrorists in question were British Muslims, so what is the point you are trying to make? They were still terrorists, weren’t they, British or whatever nationality, what difference does it make?
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Here is something for your review Bev:

The recent homegrown plot in Britain to blow up transatlantic flights will intensify the fear that the country’s 1.6 million Muslims are rejecting political tolerance and free speech for a violent, radicalized version of Islam.

There is a real concern that British Muslims do pose a threat to that country and its traditional values. So how prevalent are such radical views among British Muslims?

Some answers are provided by the most comprehensive survey to date of Muslim opinion in Britain. The results from NOP Research, broadcast by Channel 4-TV on August 7, are startling.

Forty-five percent say 9/11 was a conspiracy by the American and Israeli governments. This figure is more than twice as high as those who say it was not a conspiracy. Tragically, almost one in four British Muslims believe that last year’s 7/7 attacks on London were justified because of British support for the U.S.-led war on terror.

When asked, “Is Britain my country or their country?” only one in four say it is. Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law. According to the report, “Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws.”

Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. This comports with last year’s Daily Telegraph newspaper survey that found one-third of British Muslims believe that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it.

The news is no less alarming on the question of freedom of speech. Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed.

Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who “insult Islam.” When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.

Also concerning freedom of speech, as the NOP Research survey reports, “hardcore Islamists” constitute nine percent of the British Muslim population. A slightly more moderate group is composed of “staunch defenders of Islam.”

This second group comprises 29 percent of the British Muslim population. Individuals in this group aggressively defend their religion from internal and external threats, real or imagined.

The scary reality is that only three percent of British Muslims “took a consistently pro-freedom of speech line on these questions.” The Muslim threat to British security is so severe that the assistant London police commissioner, Tarique Ghaffur, has called for an inquiry into the radicalization of young Muslims. Ghaffur sadly describes “a generation of angry young people vulnerable to exploitation.”

Before the London bombings, British intelligence services estimated that one percent of British Muslims either support or are involved in terrorism. While this is mainly a peaceful and productive immigrant population, a significant number are prepared to act against their own country.

The British government believes that, in recent years, 3,000 British Muslims have returned home from al Qaeda training camps. Intelligence experts estimate that 1,200 Muslim radicals (80 percent of Pakistani origin) are currently pursuing a terrorist rather than a democratic option to vent their disgust at Tony Blair’s support for America’s invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and opposition to Hezbollah.

This terrorist weed that is choking the U.K. is especially hard to eradicate because it is growing in British soil. America’s fastest-growing religion is Islam, but here in the States the numbers are not a security concern, as a commitment to Islam has not overwhelmed a strong attachment to America itself — another victory for the cultural melting pot.

By contrast, the U.K. embraced taxpayer-subsidized multiculturalism and has paid a very dear price, indeed. The result — cultural apartheid — has encouraged a significant number of Muslims to exhibit more loyalty to fellow Muslims outside of the U.K. than to their fellow Britons.

cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-1893879.html

 

[Kouyate42]

I find that if I drown the pork worms in copious amounts of alcohol, I suffer no issues.

What’s better on a Saturday afternoon than cooking some ribs with friends and drinking a few beers? Outside of going to Mass the next morning, not much.

I can think of PLENTY of things which are better than pork and alcohol… chicken and cola for one, especially outside with friends.

 

[Bev17243]

Here is something for your review Bev:

cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-1893879.html

I think this prooves my point quite well-as in, religion has EVERYTHING to do with these terrorist attacks. thanks for the link