Why do catholics teach they have the fullness of the gospel compared to Christians

[po18guy]

What makes the Catholic church service better?

The fact that it is not a “service.” Service is not in the bible. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a sacrifice, in an unbloody manner, of Jesus Christ to the Father in atonement for our sins. NOT a “re-sacrifice” as you have heard, as that is impossible. Why a sacrifice? Saints Peter and Paul admonish us us to offer both spiritual and physical sacrifices to God (1 Peter 2:5, Romans 12:1) - our very bodies as a living sacrifice to God. Read those verses. There is no worship without sacrifice in the bible. Thus, worship and sacrifice are both contained in the Mass.

Yes, Christ’s blood was enough, but the Prophet Malachi (1:11) states that a perpetual oblation/sacrifice will be offered to God - that is what Peter and the Eleven, and later Paul, actually did. That is what has occurred since Day1 in the Church, which Christ founded. This unbroken line exists only in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

The “reformers” radically altered the Gospel into what is now only a “service” with crackers and grape juice - if they have even kept that! No sacraments as instituted by Christ. A pale, watered down version of the Church which Christ founded. So many without baptism - which makes one Christian in the first place! Constantly changing beliefs on issues of faith and morals. Marriage, contraception and abortion are but three of them.

The Catholic (which means “universal” in the Greek) Church cannot change, because the faith was “once for all delivered to the Saints.” (Jude 1:3). And, she is so under attack that her members - me especially - get our dander up when challenged. Please disregard that and focus on the truth which is in the sacred deposit of faith which has been handed on for 2,000 years.

 

[USMC_Convert]

I’d just like to ask you where your got church got its authority from? You say that all others follow the Bible but where did you get your Bible from? Who gave you or your church the authority? Jesus gave the Catholic Church its authority.

Tell me where in your Bible does Jesus command you to follow the Bible? He doesn’t, He says all these things I have told you, an oral tradition. What does St Paul say? Obey these thing we have taught you and have written you.

As St Augustine said (who was part of the councils which defined sacred scripture 397AD) “I would not believe the Bible unless the Catholic Church told me to.”

The Catholic Church has the authority to define what is and is not sacred scripture, and she has done so. Even Martin Luther, who hated the “papists” or Catholics, admitted that the Catholic Church gave the world the Bible, even after he threw out the books from the Old Testament, tried to throw out several from the New Testament and added the word “alone” to the gospel.

I think the real question is why do you think you have the authority to change what Jesus started, the apostles carried on and what has been guided by the Holy Spirit for 2,000 years.

Unless you think that the Holy Spirit failed and Jesus lied when He said that not even the jaws of hell will prevail against you, or that He will be with us until the end of the age.

Or maybe you are of the opinion that Christ abandoned His Church, the Catholic Church and started another Church in the 16th century? So then what happened after that, which church did He start? Lutheran, Calvinist? One of the many others, but then He would have had to abandon them and continuously start another and another, and go against the gospels which call for unity, call for one church. What hope are we to have if God abandoned what He originally started? Will He abandon us all together then?

You will know them by their fruit, sound familiar? Only the Catholic Church has real fruit, only she has persevered, due to God’s will, for 2,000 years. Only she has gone to all nations and only she has the largest and most productive fruit.

I understand your questions, comments and concerns. As a convert I had some of the same, but the more research, prayer and the more I allowed God to guide me, He brought me to the fullness of truth in the Catholic Church.

 

[omgriley]

Many christian churches teach how to apply the 9 ministry gifts of the holy spirit 1 cor. 12

And teach the 5 fold ministry

And have a communion service and healing ministry services

What makes the Catholic church service better ?

Is this just because they have a better communion service. And are taught to believe in the miracle of a changed wafer. ?

Every church has access to the same scripture.

And as peter said God is not a respector of persons.

What he does for one he will do for another.

The teaching of the authority of the believer is more taught in a Christian church.

With notable results even on utube

What is this fullness taught by catholics?

Why is it Protestants insist that Catholics are not Christians?
In any event, you are correct to an extent. All people have access to the same scripture. However, It is the unfortunate reality that evangelicals and other Protestant sects have chosen to deny the Scripture, and Christ’s teaching, His Church, and thus He Himself. (Lk 10:16).

Come home to Christ’s Church and His covenant family.

 

[Jeanne_S]

The Catholic Church is the only, one, true Church started by Jesus while he was still with us; all other Christian denominations split away from her and believe a portion of what He taught but not everything. We still have the fullness of truth and the gates of hell ( or Hades or the netherworld…) will not prevail against us; Jesus said so.

Amen!!!

 

[Gorgias]

Umm… folks?

I don’t think that the OP is implying that Catholics aren’t Christians. He’s just using the normal nomenclature that Protestants use. They self-identify as “Christian”, and identify us as “Catholic.”

If he were Catholic, perhaps the title of the thread would have been “why do Catholics teach they have the fullness of the gospel compared to non-Catholic Christians?”

 

[meltzerboy]

Well said!~

Let’s face it. There is a Protestant “buffet of choices” out there even in what was once “mainstream Protestantism.” Just pick your “beliefs” you have on your own and there is a Protestant denomination that can accommodate you.

Sad.

Why not stay with the Church Jesus founded? There is only one.

Mary.

Or with the synagogue Jesus attended and worshiped in? Sorry, sorry, I just couldn’t resist. LOL

 

[meltzerboy]

Many christian churches teach how to apply the 9 ministry gifts of the holy spirit 1 cor. 12

And teach the 5 fold ministry

And have a communion service and healing ministry services

What makes the Catholic church service better ?

Is this just because they have a better communion service. And are taught to believe in the miracle of a changed wafer. ?

Every church has access to the same scripture.

And as peter said God is not a respector of persons.

What he does for one he will do for another.

The teaching of the authority of the believer is more taught in a Christian church.

With notable results even on utube

What is this fullness taught by catholics?

The title should read “compared to OTHER Christians.” Welcome to CAF! Trial by fire…

 

[joeybaggz]

Or with the synagogue Jesus attended and worshiped in? Sorry, sorry, I just couldn’t resist. LOL

Thanks Meltzerboy, good one. To answer the OP, Yeshua who we Christians call “the Christ” lives in our (wrong) His church as God has lived with his people since Abraham. Our Jesus is directly in our lives, found in our sacraments (life experience where He is truly present - and not only our Eucharist), not simply confined to the pages of a book.

 

[Irishmom2]

The title should read “compared to OTHER Christians.” Welcome to CAF! Trial by fire…

Bingo! Thank you meltzerboy!

 

[joeybaggz]

Oh, and by “His” Church, I mean the church He established on Peter at Caesarea Phillipi. A church that has been in existence continually for over two thousand years. A church often beset by men who failed in their ministry and in some cases were downright evil, but always guided by the Holy Spirit to teach correctly the word of God. That’s the beauty of the RCC and its “fullness”, that despite flawed, erroneous, and downright sinful human beings, here we are two thousand years later trying our damndest to follow Him who came and redeemed our fallen humanity.

Shalom

 

[TaylorDonBarret]

Many christian churches teach how to apply the 9 ministry gifts of the holy spirit 1 cor. 12

And teach the 5 fold ministry

And have a communion service and healing ministry services

What makes the Catholic church service better ?

Is this just because they have a better communion service. And are taught to believe in the miracle of a changed wafer. ?

Every church has access to the same scripture.

And as peter said God is not a respector of persons.

What he does for one he will do for another.

The teaching of the authority of the believer is more taught in a Christian church.

With notable results even on utube

What is this fullness taught by catholics?

For starters, the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ founded. So there is that.

Also, Protestant ministers are unable to consecrate a valid Eucharist and unable to hear confessions. So the Protestant is left without the Body and Blood of Jesus and without the Sacramental absolution offered to Catholics.

Furthermore, there is a fullness of truth in the Church missing from most Protestant Churches. The doctrine of Christ and salvation by faith in Him is exalted among the best of the Protestants, and this is great. But they usually fail to understand the other aspects of God’s mercy and judgments. You might look into the relationship between inclusion, actual grace, and purgatory for more on this.

P.S. We also have the original 73 books of the Bible. While Protestants only have 66.

 

[Irishmom2]

P.S. We also have the original 73 books of the Bible. While Protestants only have 66.

Yeah, what’s up,with that?

 

[DanielStDominic]

What is this fullness taught by catholics?

There are many distinctions between Catholic theology and the various aspects of Protestant theology that exist in the various Protestant denominations.

From a Catholic perspective, the term “fullness of the faith” is simply meant to state that the entirety of what Jesus wanted His Church to teach is contained in the the Catholic Church, while other ecclesial groups—like the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, or Anglicans—have removed certain teachings as they thought necessary.

Another way to put it is this.

A convert to Catholicism once compared her Protestant understanding of Christianity to be like a swimming pool. Some folks are are wading in the shallow end, others are swimming in the deep end, while still others are diving from the high dive.

But at some point, she realized that Christianity is actually a vast ocean. While she believed she was always going towards the deep end of the pool, she in point of fact was just barely getting her toes wet on the shore.

We view Protestantism as being necessarily rooted in denying more and more teachings of full-throated Christianity, and of eventually devolving into more and more simplistic sects, some of them utterly removed from the Reformation.

Protestants view us as being necessarily rooted in adding more and more teachings to what is the essence of Christianity, even as they dispute amongst themselves what, precisely, those teachings entail.

 

[reggieM]

I hope Evangelical chr will read and respond here.

Too often people start threads and never return.

 

[MaryT777]

Oh, and by “His” Church, I mean the church He established on Peter at Caesarea Phillipi. A church that has been in existence continually for over two thousand years. A church often beset by men who failed in their ministry and in some cases were downright evil, but always guided by the Holy Spirit to teach correctly the word of God. That’s the beauty of the RCC and its “fullness”, that despite flawed, erroneous, and downright sinful human beings, here we are two thousand years later trying our damndest to follow Him who came and redeemed our fallen humanity.

Shalom

Love this post!~

 

[DanielStDominic]

Why is it Protestants insist that Catholics are not Christians?

Of those Protestants that do hold to that position, it’s often because they believe that Catholics deny the Gospel and how salvation and predestination actually work. For many of them, they believe that our view of salvation is as contrary to being a Christian as would be denying Christ’s divinity.

And then there’s the cultural aspect of things.

I was browsing an online, Catholic bookstore earlier, and saw a Bible with an image of the Blessed Virgin on its leather-like cover. It’s a beautiful book, but I have to say that I would not be surprised if many good, faithful, sincere, and honest Protestants would look at that Bible and be utterly shocked and utterly scandalized. For them, putting someone like Mary on the cover of the Bible might seem like utter blasphemy. And for them, we Catholics do many such things.

So do have some patience with them, especially if you’ve never struggled with this yourself. It takes a lot for a Protestant to look at things in Catholicism and not hear IDOLATRY screaming back at them. Many of them take years and years to adjust, even after a fruitful conversion.

 

[DanielStDominic]

If every Church has access to the same scriptures, which it does, why do other denominations ignore the scripture where Jesus says this IS My Body, this IS My Blood

Let me just point something out.

There’s a lot in Protestantism that is mushy and gushy and ooshy and dull. It’s the same thing in Catholicism.

There’s also a lot in Protestantism that is meaningful and academic and intellectual and scholarly, and passages like the one you allude to are certainly treated seriously by the heavyweights. There’s a ton of Protestant scholarship on John 6, and there has been since the 16th century.

A lot of Protestants are just bad Protestants who don’t even know their own history. The same is true of Catholics, the majority of which, if polls are to be believed, don’t even hold to the Church’s teaching on Transubstantiation.

But don’t pick the low-hanging fruit. You could find answers if you needed to as to why Protestants disagree with a Catholic exegesis of the passages in question. To use words like “ignore” when you mean “disagree” is not productive to dialogue.

 

[Todd977]

What is this fullness taught by catholics?

Briefly, this fullness seems chiefly to refer to three things found in Catholic Church: “the correct and complete profession of faith, full sacramental life, and ordained ministry in apostolic succession.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 830; also see 815)

It would seem, the profession of faith refers to all Apostolic Traditions, those written (Sacred Scripture) and unwritten (Sacred Traditions). See 2 Thessalonians 2:15.

The sacramental life refers to all seven, grace-conferring sacraments: baptism, confirmation, confession, the Eucharist, marriage, Holy Orders, and the anointing of the sick.

The ordained ministry refers to the bishops (and priests and deacons) in communion with St Peter’s successor, the bishop of Rome (the pope).

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Let me just point something out.

There’s a lot in Protestantism that is mushy and gushy and ooshy and dull. It’s the same thing in Catholicism.

There’s also a lot in Protestantism that is meaningful and academic and intellectual and scholarly, and passages like the one you allude to are certainly treated seriously by the heavyweights. There’s a ton of Protestant scholarship on John 6, and there has been since the 16th century.

A lot of Protestants are just bad Protestants who don’t even know their own history. The same is true of Catholics, the majority of which, if polls are to be believed, don’t even hold to the Church’s teaching on Transubstantiation.

But don’t pick the low-hanging fruit. You could find answers if you needed to as to why Protestants disagree with a Catholic exegesis of the passages in question. To use words like “ignore” when you mean “disagree” is not productive to dialogue.

so which other denominations, don’t single that one out, actually adhere to Jesus words this Is my body, this Is my blood. Let’s not talk general population, let’s talk Church teaching. What other denomination Mass can I attend , where the Eucharist Is the Body and blood of Christ?

I believe too much focus is just on Protestants. What about Anglicans, Uniting Church, etc

 

[Roseeurekacross]

i mean ignore

I do not mean disagree

I make no excuses.

The Last Supper is central to the teachings of Jesus.

Whomever eats My Body and drinks My blood , says Jesus.

Ps, there are no Protestants around here. Let’s not pick one group out.