Why do fundamentalists believe the world is 6000-10000 years old?

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There is the story about Samson tearing apart a lion with his bear hands and removing the stomach which was filled with honey. Studies of lions indicate that this would have been a very young lion cub. Because lion cubs typically make the mistake of getting into a honey bee hive to eat the honey, only to be attacked by the swarm of bees. Old lions are too smart to do that. This also expalins why the little lion attacked them in the first place, he was in a lot of pain.
 
Geometer asserts that “Anyone who promotes evolution as a foundation of any science is a Marxist.” That statement, though obviously false and prima facie ludicrous, has not been retracted by geometer.

Geometer labels things he does not like as Marxist. Geometer’s rationalization for this illogical attitude is, “I got that epistemological principle from you [spn82756].” Hence, geometer takes no responsibility for his own statements and poor logic.

Geometer says, “The fossil record is full of anomalies and does not strongly support evolution or any theory,” but then he continues on to promote ideas that have no supporting evidence whatsoever, but are the mere product of his imagination and the imagination of those like him: “I believe there are some mentions dinosaurs in scripture.”

Most assuredly, this thread, due to the poor logic and groundless assumptions, is going absolutely nowhere.
 
At the time that the scriptures were written, perhaps the dinosaur problem had been largely forgotten. And maybe the writers had little interest in them. There are no moby dick stories in the scriptures, or accounts of any troubles with large animals that we have today such as elephants. Dinosaurs may have been just as peaceful as elephants, if any existed at that time.
Jonah and the whale??
 
I believe there are some mentions dinosaurs in scripture,and of course dragons which were known to all cultures. But the leviathan is a whale I believe,and the behemoth might be a dinosaur because of the description of it having a tail like a tree trunk, but some think the word means elephant.
lf a tail like a tree trunk covers a large area,has anyone noticed the size of an elephant’s tail and exactly what it covers - twinc
 
lf a tail like a tree trunk covers a large area,has anyone noticed the size of an elephant’s tail and exactly what it covers - twinc
It doesn’t cover much:)

Now…when then did meating eating start according to the Bible? Was it after the fall or before?
 
Cool pic!

Those who interpret the bible to imply that meat eating did not occur until after the Fall are completely misunderstanding literary genres in Genesis.
Yup! Since I don’t take Genesis to be literal science…I figure these little guys with those teeth were eating meat millions of years before the fall. 🙂
 
Yup! Since I don’t take Genesis to be literal science…I figure these little guys with those teeth were eating meat millions of years before the fall. 🙂
Of course. Genesis is not science at all. As St. Augustine said, the Bible does not tell us how the heavens go, but how to go to Heaven. The bible contains God’s message about salvation. Obviously, scientific knowledge is not necessary to salvation, so it is not taught in the bible.

Science, though, is a gift from God, too, and we turn to the natural sciences to learn what it has to say about nature. God left the discovery of nature to man’s intellectual endeavor, while the religious truths necessary to man’s salvation were communicated to him by Revelation so they would be known with certainty.
 
Of course. Genesis is not science at all. As St. Augustine said, the Bible does not tell us how the heavens go, but how to go to Heaven. The bible contains God’s message about salvation. Obviously, scientific knowledge is not necessary to salvation, so it is not taught in the bible.

Science, though, is a gift from God, too, and we turn to the natural sciences to learn what it has to say about nature. God left the discovery of nature to man’s intellectual endeavor, while the religious truths necessary to man’s salvation were communicated to him by Revelation so they would be known with certainty.
Very well put. God in his infinite wisdom has given man many things to reach for and advance in through science. He is the author of science. Think of how boring life would be without striving to learn more all the time. Isn’t that one of the reasons that God gave man the ability to think and reason?
 
Jonah and the whale??
Just FYI: the book of Jonah speaks of a great fish, but it does not say “whale”. Likewise, the story in Genesis about Adam and Eve speaks of “forbidden fruit” but does not say “apple” as people mistakenly assert.
 
Very well put. God in his infinite wisdom has given man many things to reach for and advance in through science. He is the author of science. Think of how boring life would be without striving to learn more all the time. Isn’t that one of the reasons that God gave man the ability to think and reason?
Exactly. There is an innate desire in man to learn. As Aristotle said, “Man by nature desires to know.”
 
Yup! Since I don’t take Genesis to be literal science…I figure these little guys with those teeth were eating meat millions of years before the fall. 🙂
not only wrong but utterly and totally so, as per usual and here we have Matt.23:24 at its most ridiculous.Here we have another cause for extinction,for these big heavy slowly moving noisy cumbersome creatures not being able to catch anything would try to quietly and unnoticed take them by surprise by creeping up on them - meat eating was neither before or after the Fall but after the Flood when it was over and one could see clearer no veg now that the rain had gone - btw Dinosaurs would take some feeding and busy catching nothing would soon die of hunger and exhaustion and frustration and that sinking feeling both before and after the Flood - those big teeth were specially designed for ripping through dense luxuriant foliage and those big jaws for whole bunches of exotic and luxuriant hanging fruits etc- btw notice the size of teeth of other meat eaters - come on now lets at least be reasonable and sensible - twinc
 
come on now lets at least be reasonable and sensible - twinc
yep…let’s be reasonable. Just how many plant eaters exist today that have pointed dagger like teeth. Hmmmm…my three dogs…lions…tigers…bears…oh my.

Now let’s examine plant eaters and their teeth. horses (flat teeth)…cows (flat teeth)…deer (flat teeth) etc…etc…etc.

YES…you’re right…let’s be reasonable!!! Oh wait a minute…you would know better than St Augustine.
 
yep…let’s be reasonable. Just how many plant eaters exist today that have pointed dagger like teeth. Hmmmm…my three dogs…lions…tigers…bears…oh my.

Now let’s examine plant eaters and their teeth. horses (flat teeth)…cows (flat teeth)…deer (flat teeth) etc…etc…etc.

YES…you’re right…let’s be reasonable!!! Oh wait a minute…you would know better than St Augustine.
Exactly molars are actually a key part of the digestive system. They disrupt the plant cell wall and release the digestible contents, in essence they break the plant material down in to fine particles. A Herbivore with a teeth set like that Dino literally could starve to death.

So come on twinc, lets at least be reasonable and sensible.
 
yep…let’s be reasonable. Just how many plant eaters exist today that have pointed dagger like teeth. Hmmmm…my three dogs…lions…tigers…bears…oh my.

Now let’s examine plant eaters and their teeth. horses (flat teeth)…cows (flat teeth)…deer (flat teeth) etc…etc…etc.

YES…you’re right…let’s be reasonable!!! Oh wait a minute…you would know better than St Augustine.
anyone could know better than St. Augustine - he was a saint but I dont think that automatically qualifies him as infallible or learned even - btw it does not make sense to have big teeth without deep roots and adequate gum coverage - anyway it was required they be caught first before being eaten unless the Lord God as zoo keeper came round and feed them every day without getting eaten - twinc
 
anyone could know better than St. Augustine - he was a saint but I dont think that automatically qualifies him as infallible or learned even - btw it does not make sense to have big teeth without deep roots and adequate gum coverage - anyway it was required they be caught first before being eaten unless the Lord God as zoo keeper came round and feed them every day without getting eaten - twinc
Well…so much for asking for reason.
 
not only wrong but utterly and totally so, as per usual and here we have Matt.23:24 at its most ridiculous.Here we have another cause for extinction,for these big heavy slowly moving noisy cumbersome creatures not being able to catch anything would try to quietly and unnoticed take them by surprise by creeping up on them - meat eating was neither before or after the Fall but after the Flood when it was over and one could see clearer no veg now that the rain had gone - btw Dinosaurs would take some feeding and busy catching nothing would soon die of hunger and exhaustion and frustration and that sinking feeling both before and after the Flood - those big teeth were specially designed for ripping through dense luxuriant foliage and those big jaws for whole bunches of exotic and luxuriant hanging fruits etc- btw notice the size of teeth of other meat eaters - come on now lets at least be reasonable and sensible - twinc
A literalist reading of the Flood story is no longer acceptable in light of modern biblical and scientific research. The story of Noah is recognized as a theological polemic against Mesopotamian flood folklore. The following excerpt from the 1963 Catholic Encyclopedia is generally along the lines of what the majority and Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish biblical scholars maintain.

Historical and Scientific Issues

"The composite character of the Biblical account and the variations in details within the Mesopotamian accounts suggests that no one of these is an account of a particular historical flood. Floods were common in ancient Mesopotamia, and occasionally devastated whole cities; but no scientific, geological, or historical evidence even suggests that at one time a single flood totally wiped out all of civilization in ancient Mesopotamia, let alone the whole world. That marine fossils are commonly found in the mountainous areas throughout the world is the result of geological uplifts. Periodically, news accounts appear about wood that is claimed to be from the ark, recovered on Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Carbon 14 tests consistently show that the wood is from the current era, about 1600 years old. The wood is thought to come from the ruins of an ancient monastery that served the pilgrims’ hostel.

"The various flood accounts from Mesopotamia suggests that experiences with devastating local floods helped human imagination to construct accounts of an even worse flood in the distant past that did almost destroy humanity. The accounts reflect the helplessness that humans experience in the face of raging flood waters capable of devastating entire cities. The accounts similarly reflect belief that such natural phenomena were expressions of divine power and will, brought on out of spite or irritation or capriciousness. Because some humans survived each local flood, in each account some humans survive, sometimes due to chance, and other times to the intervention of a sympathetic divine power.

“The ancient authors of the Genesis flood wove their Israelite traditions around one such devastating flood to create a compelling story about their God and His relationship with humanity. The scientific or historical accuracy of the biblical narrative, measured by modern standards, is irrelevant to the accounts’ abiding theological significance.”
 
From the 1913 Edition, Catholic Encyclopedia, Deluge article:

III. UNIVERSALITY OF THE DELUGE.—The Biblical account ascribes some kind of a universality to the Flood. But it may have been geographically universal, or it may have been only anthropologically universal. In other words, the Flood may have covered the whole earth, or it may have destroyed all men, covering only a certain part of the earth. Till about the seventeenth century, it was generally believed that the Deluge had been geographically universal, and this opinion is defended even in our days by some conservative scholars (cf. Kaulen in Kirchenlexikon). But two hundred years of theological and scientific study devoted to the question have thrown so much light on it that we may now defend the following conclusions:

(I) The geographical universality of the Deluge may be safely abandoned. Neither Sacred Scripture nor universal ecclesiastical tradition, nor again scientific considerations, render it advisable to adhere to the opinion that the Flood covered the whole surface of the earth. (a) The words of the original text, rendered “earth” in our version, signify “land” as well as “earth”; in fact, “land” appears to have been their primary meaning, and this meaning fits in admirably with Gen., iv, v, and Gen., x; why not adhere to this meaning also in Gen., vi-ix, or the Flood story. Why not read, the waters “filled all on the face of the land”, “all flesh was destroyed that moved in the land”, “all things wherein there is the breath of life in the land died”, “all the high mountains under the whole heaven (corresponding to the land) were covered”? The primary meaning of the inspired text urges therefore a universality of the Flood covering the whole land or region in which Noe lived, but not the whole earth.
 
Concerning the idea that a flood literally covered the entire earth, theologian, historian of science and physicist, Fr. Stanley L. Jaki says,

"For such a Flood should have left sediments all over the globe, geological evidence of which are, however, sorely missing. Should one then assume that God had obliterated the traces of a global Flood? Possibly, but what are the biblical proofs of this?

"One may be tempted to appeal to the fact that in some deeper layers of the Mesopotamian soil it is possible to find sediments characteristic of flooding. For such sediments to exist, vast amounts of water of floodwaters had to be on hand. Natural rainfall would have had to be enhanced enormously, and far beyond a mere forty days’ worth, if the sea level was to be raised by the three miles necessary to carry Noah’s Ark to the top slopes of Ararat. In that case, the Flood would have expanded far beyond the general region known as Ararat, or a part of the northwestern Mesopotamia. It would have been a global event that would have spared only the upper portions of the Himalayas.

"But if heights much lower than the three-mile high peaks of Ararat were meant by the phrase, “the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat,” the Flood would not have been so extensive as to destroy all mankind with the exception of a couple dozen men and women (Noah and “his sons, his wife and his sons’ wives”). Now would all animals on earth have been destroyed save those which Noah entered in the Ark. At any rate, an ark about 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet tall…,could not accommodate samples of the bestiary of the Middle East, nor even a significant portion of it. There was also the logistics of providing all those animals with food for at least forty days, assuming that this number was not a symbol of a very long period. The argument that those animals became comatose while in the Ark works only if one lets one’s intellect fall asleep. Reports about traces of Noah’s ark still lying on the highest slopes of Ararat are best ignored.

"One should therefore settle with a fairly localized flood, a flood limited to the Mesopotamian basin, the memory of which survived in Sumerian and Babylonian lore (the Gilgamesh and Athrasis Epics), as well as among Iranians and Hindus, a consensus that must not be taken lightly. (Yet, curiously missing is a clear tradition of a deluge in ancient Egyptian lore.) Physically, the biblical Flood implies the enhancement of natural forces for a purpose which puts Noah’s story in a class apart from other Flood legends. The narrator of Noah’s story stresses God’s mercy together with the assurance that God’s plan of salvation would prevail, physical and moral catastrophes notwithstanding. This spiritual side to the story is also subtly intimated by the symbolism of the dimensions of the ark given in close multiples (or fractions) of 60, the Babylonian base of counting. Such an ark successfully rides out the Flood, whose devastating power is symbolized by its duration of forty days. As to the rainbow, it is not stated that it had not been seen prior to the Flood. Rather, the rainbow, which in other cultures often was taken, because of its resemblance to a huge bow, for a sign of divine punishment, is now presented as a token of the permanence of God’s mercy.” "

(Bible and Science by Stanley L. Jaki; Christendom Press,155-7
 
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