Why do gays want marriage? What do they hope gain from it?

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I’ve never had any interest whatsoever in generating a new life. I find other people’s children mostly adorable and charming, and I spend my working life in a place that is all about children-but I’m glad to live a life without them. I used to think that was part of being gay, but then I started meeting gay people who had children and really loved everything to do with parenting. I’ve also got straight friends who have no interest whatsoever in becoming parents, so in my experience sexual orientation doesn’t come with or without a biological clock. Most of my straight friends have kids though and are terrific parents as far as I can see.

I don’t understand the whole new life thing and would never claim to, but at the same time you can’t understand what it was like to live my life before or what it’s like to live it now that I’ve made a commitment to live without a partner. I’ve lived almost as long without one as I did with one now, and it’s gotten easier. There are still many things I miss, but sex is actually the least of them.
I can speak to this. I don’t really care for children, and I don’t plan on ever being a mother. Of my two brothers, one became a father to an adorable baby boy in March and the other has chosen not to have children. Instead, he takes care of a bunch of furry and scaly babies (his cats are all rescue animals) and him and his wife seem to be doing well with their little zoo.
 
Same things straight people want.
They already have that. In traditional marriage, straight people can’t marry someone of the sex and neither can gays; however gays can still marry the opposite sex.
 
1 - taxation is no excuse for lack of charity as long as you have cable

2- I live in New England - people in my parish donated the 22k spent retooling for the EF, soooo, maybe better spent saving a child from a same sex adoption?

3- I am aware of catholic teaching and facts might seem cold to you n but at least they are honest

4 - we’ll see when the study is replicated which it has not been
  1. Taxation = less charity. It’s that simple. Under Reagen, who lowered taxes, charitable giving increased by huge sums. When people are taxed they buy less and give less because government is taking their money.
  2. How your parish spends its money has no bearing on the fact that children raised by same-sex couples tend to have more issues than children raised by their biological parents.
  3. Then I hope you are not taking Communion.
  4. The studies should be replicated but are sound. The studies conducted by the University of Minnesota and University of Texas-Austin had very conclusive results and unlike studies that show “no difference” between the sex of the parents, the university studies followed the scientific method.
It is not following the scientific method when children of homosexual parents are interviewed.
 
The gay agenda, including “gay marriage” is a tool to shut down the Catholic Church and other Christian Churches by using “hate crime” and anti-discrimination laws.

A Catholic Church won’t marry two gays. Lawsuit. Result, shut down.

Same thing about “gay adoptions” - get the Catholic Church and other Christian churches out of the adoption gig. They’ve already shut down Catholic Charities for adoptions, in Boston and some other places.

It is all based on hatred of Christianity, nothing more.

5,000 years of homosexuality being sold as “freedom” and “Happy go lucky” and “I’m not having to be like those stodgy heteros…” Even during ancient Greece and pagan Rome, they didn’t have “gay marriage”, yet homosexuality was BIG TIME practiced and accepted.

NOW they want “marriage” Uh, no. This is just cultural Marxism, nothing more. And anti-Christian bigotry.

If religious freedom were ALWAYS protected in states that had the gay agenda do their stuff…I would not think this way. But recent history is proof that I am right on this.
 
The gay agenda, including “gay marriage” is a tool to shut down the Catholic Church and other Christian Churches by using “hate crime” and anti-discrimination laws.

A Catholic Church won’t marry two gays. Lawsuit. Result, shut down.

Same thing about “gay adoptions” - get the Catholic Church and other Christian churches out of the adoption gig. They’ve already shut down Catholic Charities for adoptions, in Boston and some other places.

It is all based on hatred of Christianity, nothing more.

5,000 years of homosexuality being sold as “freedom” and “Happy go lucky” and “I’m not having to be like those stodgy heteros…” Even during ancient Greece and pagan Rome, they didn’t have “gay marriage”, yet homosexuality was BIG TIME practiced and accepted.

NOW they want “marriage” Uh, no. This is just cultural Marxism, nothing more. And anti-Christian bigotry.

If religious freedom were ALWAYS protected in states that had the gay agenda do their stuff…I would not think this way. But recent history is proof that I am right on this.
It will continue as such against Christians. It has in the UK as well, but when Muslims start objecting, the gay rights movement shuts its mouth, tucks its tail and runs away.

The thing to keep in mind about so-called gay marriage is that it is in many ways a passing fad. Societies that stoop the level of promoting something so dysfunctional as a solution to their problems just goes to show how big those problems are.

The Massachusetts case does not surprise me, but as I stated earlier, the New England states are in decline. They are losing population relative to the overall growth of the nation and many of those states are fiscally and socially headed for ruin. Were it not for the Mountain West, Middle Plains and Deep South, they’d probably be defunct already.

The same is true of Europe and as Islam and to some extent neo-Nazism gain traction there, the future of gay rights is very bleak. My guess is it won’t make it too far into the next century if its not scrapped altogether before that.

Homosexuality may be, historically speaking, as much a symptom of a lost civilization as it is a cause.

The sad truth is that it is a dead-end deal that creates an environment of non-commitment, multiple sex partners and higher rates of disease. Everyone talks about marriage, but it’s not too long after so-called gay marriage that a demand for gay divorce follows.
 
  1. Taxation = less charity. It’s that simple.
It does if you insist on putting your own desires in front of others needs.
  1. How your parish spends its money has no bearing on the fact that children raised by same-sex couples tend to have more issues than children raised by their biological parents.
Like I said, that study needs to be replicated, the next time it might show the opposite. That’s how science works.
  1. Then I hope you are not taking Communion.
Why wouldn’t I “take communion?” Not that it’s your concern at all, but I’m curious what you are on about?
  1. The studies should be replicated but are sound.
The study (single) is free of certain researcher errors, that doesn’t mean it will show the same result when repeated. Let’s let science be science and do things correctly and not jump on a bandwagon just because we like the tune.

BTW, there’s little “scientific method” in these kinds of social science research projects. And they have to be repeated over a couple generations before they reveal much of anything. So, you might want to stick the cork back in the champagne bottle or the next study could make all this crowing look kinda bad.

BTW, NOT interviewing the parents would be scientifically disastrous in this case. As much rigorous science as there is.
 
The gay agenda, including “gay marriage” is a tool to shut down the Catholic Church and other Christian Churches by using “hate crime” and anti-discrimination laws.
So, all these gay folks, over these last three decades of fighting for marriage, what they all secretly want is not marriage but to destroy the Catholic Church? That is their primary goal?
 
It does if you insist on putting your own desires in front of others needs.

Like I said, that study needs to be replicated, the next time it might show the opposite. That’s how science works.

Why wouldn’t I “take communion?” Not that it’s your concern at all, but I’m curious what you are on about?

The study (single) is free of certain researcher errors, that doesn’t mean it will show the same result when repeated. Let’s let science be science and do things correctly and not jump on a bandwagon just because we like the tune.

BTW, there’s little “scientific method” in these kinds of social science research projects. And they have to be repeated over a couple generations before they reveal much of anything. So, you might want to stick the cork back in the champagne bottle or the next study could make all this crowing look kinda bad.

BTW, NOT interviewing the parents would be scientifically disastrous in this case. As much rigorous science as there is.
I doubt the results would be different if the study were repeated in an honest fashion and even pro-gay rights social scientists have acknowledged the validity of the University of Texas study and the U of M study was done by a liberal department.

By the time a “couple of generations” roll around, many places that currently have gay rights may no longer have them. Such a time-frame is not necessary because the detrimental effects of children who are no raised by their biological parents are already well-documented in other scenarios besides gay parenting and there are already solid results noting that children raised by same-sex parents are more likely to have problems.

Furthermore, as a scientist myself, interviews are a very poor way of following the scientific method. The studies of interviewing same-sex parents and their children is ridiculous. That would be no different than me sending out seventh graders to take water samples in the environment and publishing their results. It’d be a laughing stock and would not get taken seriously by any objective peer-reviewed institution.

While the social sciences in the West are liberally biased, it is still very possible to quantify certain aspects in statistical and mathematical terms. This is done all the time in sustainability studies.

The studies conducted at the universities were done in much more scientific and professional manner. So it really isn’t crowing and the only thing I see looking bad are your excuses. You need to take your own advice regarding the bandwagon. It’s a lot easier to be pro-gay rights than to oppose so-called “gay marriage”.

To receive Communion, one must be in a state of grace and the Catholic Church has made it clear that those who support homosexuality or practice it are in danger of committing mortal sin.

Taxation should only be used to fund a limited role of government. It should never be used to cater to special interest emotional needs.

Government + Emotion = disaster.
 
So, all these gay folks, over these last three decades of fighting for marriage, what they all secretly want is not marriage but to destroy the Catholic Church? That is their primary goal?
For some of them, it is.
 
Unless it becomes a culture of marriage and family.
It will not. The biological basic of stability such as sexual fulfillment and procreation are simply not there, long story short.

That is why gay divorce rates in states that recognize their relationships are comparable to or higher than straight ones and why homosexuals are more likely to have multiple (in some cases hundreds) of sexual partners of both sexes.

Changing social policy to make yourself or others feel better will not change millions of years of developing biology.
 
So, all these gay folks, over these last three decades of fighting for marriage, what they all secretly want is not marriage but to destroy the Catholic Church? That is their primary goal?
Did you read my entire post or just that one part?
 
They already have that. In traditional marriage, straight people can’t marry someone of the sex and neither can gays; however gays can still marry the opposite sex.
That is a bit like saying Christians have religious freedom in Saudi Arabia because they are free to be Muslims. :o
 
The gay agenda, including “gay marriage” is a tool to shut down the Catholic Church and other Christian Churches by using “hate crime” and anti-discrimination laws.

A Catholic Church won’t marry two gays. Lawsuit. Result, shut down.

Same thing about “gay adoptions” - get the Catholic Church and other Christian churches out of the adoption gig. They’ve already shut down Catholic Charities for adoptions, in Boston and some other places.

It is all based on hatred of Christianity, nothing more.

5,000 years of homosexuality being sold as “freedom” and “Happy go lucky” and “I’m not having to be like those stodgy heteros…” Even during ancient Greece and pagan Rome, they didn’t have “gay marriage”, yet homosexuality was BIG TIME practiced and accepted.

NOW they want “marriage” Uh, no. This is just cultural Marxism, nothing more. And anti-Christian bigotry.

If religious freedom were ALWAYS protected in states that had the gay agenda do their stuff…I would not think this way. But recent history is proof that I am right on this.
Could you please list the lawsuits against the church in states like NY that already allow gay marriage? Especially the ones that have resulted in churches shutting down. I tried Googling them myself and didn’t come up with any. I must be looking them up incorrectly.

And again, Catholic Charities made the choice that Federal Funds were more important than staying open and following civil law. Not anyone else’s choice. If all these committed Catholics were really that concerned, they would have made up the loss and kept the places open. If it is a priority for you, you’ll find the money. Don’t blame the government for your personal choices.
 
But of course, if marriage is redefined as a commitment between two people, it will be hard to argue that it shouldn’t go for three people, perhaps two of one sex and one of the other.
I don’t think this is true at all. Changing the genders of the people in a marriage is totally different than changing the number of people in a marriage. Marriage is a commitment between 2 people and the relationship is changed completely if there is another person in it. 3 people cannot really love each other equally in a romantic sort of way. You are always going to prefer one or the other, and one person will always be kind of left out. Then again it worked for Abraham, AMIRIGHT?
 
That is a bit like saying Christians have religious freedom in Saudi Arabia because they are free to be Muslims. :o
There’s more to it than that. Like it or not, Saudi Arabia is a sovereign nation.

So is the USA, and our Constitution does not give anyone the right to marry.
 
I don’t think this is true at all. Changing the genders of the people in a marriage is totally different than changing the number of people in a marriage. Marriage is a commitment between 2 people and the relationship is changed completely if there is another person in it. 3 people cannot really love each other equally in a romantic sort of way. You are always going to prefer one or the other, and one person will always be kind of left out. Then again it worked for Abraham, AMIRIGHT?
The polygamy of early Biblical figures has been noted by scholars to be “necessary” in certain instances because war and disease claimed many young healthy males and such an arrangement allows for females and children to be cared for by close male relatives or at least someone in a position of trust.

The key element here is that it was done out of a sense of duty and not lust.

In today’s society both homosexuality and polygamy have an eye-popping correlation to child abuse and incest.

Homosexual activists never tire of saying “marriage is/should be between two consenting adults” but even that definition doesn’t close the loop and I have observed once they get their way they are lukewarm at best and hardly allies for combating incest, polygamy or child abuse.

In fact, some of the same people in North America who have been pushing for so-called “gay marriage” now want pedophilia to be a “sexual orientation” and openly tolerate Muslim harems and seem to more than happy to look the other way at alledged Mormon polygamy in remote regions out in the Rockies.

The idea we can just tweak marriage to accommodate the sexual desires of gays and leave it at that is ridiculous.

Traditional marriage between a man and woman is an arrangement not solely for their pleasure but the benefit of children and the economic benefit of a state. Religions can and have expanded upon this notion, but that is the raw secular benefit.
 
I don’t think this is true at all. Changing the genders of the people in a marriage is totally different than changing the number of people in a marriage. Marriage is a commitment between 2 people and the relationship is changed completely if there is another person in it. 3 people cannot really love each other equally in a romantic sort of way. You are always going to prefer one or the other, and one person will always be kind of left out. Then again it worked for Abraham, AMIRIGHT?
The idea that marriage may be redefined draws strength from the fact that marriage laws have changed in the past. The new claim is that there is nothing essential, definitive, or necessary about the couples being of opposite sexes. That is the aspect of marriage that has changed the least over time. The number of people in a marriage (-or the number one person may be married to at a time) has changed quite a bit. I think it odd to argue that although we now see that the sex of one’s betrothed is irrelevant, that one can only have one spouse (at a time) is set in stone. There are many polyamorous relationships. Are they not people too? Who are you to say their love is less sincere than your own?
 
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