Why do gays want marriage? What do they hope gain from it?

[stewstew03]

They want marriage. Chick-fil-A did also donate some money to anti-gay organisations, so the fact that people were not buying their products was justified. Besides, boycotting a store isn’t anti-freedom of speech, it’s a method of expressing your views. The only people who were in the wrong were those claiming they should shut down.

You would agree with me, then, that the assertion that the LGBT community “couldn’t care less” what other Americans think of homosexuality (and by extension SSM) is entirely without merit.

 

[stewstew03]

I believe Catholics have called for boycotting businesses and even charities in the past. Like not giving money to breast cancer charity because it gave money to Planned Parenthood that was used only to pay for breast-cancer screening.

I think if someone can morally justify that, then gay folks boycotting a business isn’t even a blip on the moral radar.

Not sure what this has to do with anything…

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Gays wont be happy until people condone their lifestle with a smile on their face, ssm being legal or not…meaning even if it becomes legal everywhere, they still will not be fulfilled or happy. Ive heard all too many times that they “feel like second class citizens.” Thats unfortunate, but feelings and rights are not the same thing.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

You would agree with me, then, that the assertion that the LGBT community “couldn’t care less” what other Americans think of homosexuality (and by extension SSM) is entirely without merit.

What? That’s not what I said at all. Did you even read my post?

And, LGBT is a blanket term for anyone who may consider themselves to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. I doubt the majority care about what people think, no.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Gays wont be happy until people condone their lifestle with a smile on their face, ssm being legal or not…meaning even if it becomes legal everywhere, they still will not be fulfilled or happy. Ive heard all too many times that they “feel like second class citizens.” Thats unfortunate, but feelings and rights are not the same thing.

Lulz. I heard the Jews are controlling the media, too.

 

[markeverett49]

You would agree with me, then, that the assertion that the LGBT community “couldn’t care less” what other Americans think of homosexuality (and by extension SSM) is entirely without merit.

Good point. The Chik-Fil-A episode is far less important than the “normalization” of homosexuality in sex education courses in public schools.

 

[markeverett49]

Okay, can you give me a definition of natural law, then? I’ll admit I don’t understand it, and I’m confused. Because I’ve heard two definitions, and here they are:

You must do your homework like everyone else. When you don’t understand something important (and academic), go to the library! Since this is a Catholic forum, here’s a link to an article from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

newadvent.org/cathen/09076a.htm

 

[Regular_Atheist]

You must do your homework like everyone else. When you don’t understand something important (and academic), go to the library! Since this is a Catholic forum, here’s a link to an article from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

I did, and I hadn’t found a definition that didn’t appear to be either subjective, or based on faith. I’ll read what you’ve got, though.

EDIT: So, it’s the laws that your god wants us to abide by?
Catholic Website Thingy:

Theft is wrong, because it subverts the basis of social life; and man’s nature requires for its proper development that he live in a state of society.

But, that still seems subjective to me. Someone’s reasoning for something being right or wrong could be different to another person. So while this person may suggest that stealing is wrong because humans are social animals, another person could argue that stealing is fine under different reasoning.

 

[Seeker1961]

Really? How do you explain the recent Chick-Fil-A controversy?

You live at Chick Fil A??

Chick Fil A=business that serves the public

My driveway=private residence that does NOT serve the public

When Mr Chick Fil A decided to link his business with his personal religious beliefs he made a choice to expose that business to the opinions of the public that business serves. When protesters start marching up your driveway to your front door because of your opposition to gay marriage, please call the police. Also call the TV stations because there really needs to be recordings of such a violation.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

You live at Chick Fil A??

Chick Fil A=business that serves the public

My driveway=private residence that does NOT serve the public

When Mr Chick Fil A decided to link his business with his personal religious beliefs he made a choice to expose that business to the opinions of the public that business serves. When protesters start marching up your driveway to your front door because of your opposition to gay marriage, please call the police. Also call the TV stations because there really needs to be recordings of such a violation.

Pepsi, Disneyland, Coke, etc. donate money to pro-gay organizations. They chose to link their beliefs with their product as well.

And I dont see what Mr ChickFilA said that was so upsetting. He merely stated he believes in traditional marriage. He didnt say he would only serve straight people.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Lulz. I heard the Jews are controlling the media, too.

Well you will see first hand for yourself if ssm becomes legal everywhere. Catholics still will not acknowledge this as true marriage. SSM participants will still feel upset and unfulfilled because of that.

 

[stewstew03]

What? That’s not what I said at all. Did you even read my post?

And, LGBT is a blanket term for anyone who may consider themselves to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. I doubt the majority care about what people think, no.

Your point (and mine) is that the LGBT community will work to persuade the American public. This contradicts Seeker’s assertion that they simply want to live their lives without bothering anyone or haranguing those with traditional views of marriage.

 

[stewstew03]

Well you will see first hand for yourself if ssm becomes legal everywhere. Catholics still will not acknowledge this as true marriage. SSM participants will still feel upset and unfulfilled because of that.

And the backlash will be that groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center label the Church as a “hate group” (see, e.g., the Family Research Council).

 

[stewstew03]

You live at Chick Fil A??
.

My apologies, Seeker, I thought you were an adult. I’ll try not to make that mistake in the future.

 

[Seeker1961]

Pepsi, Disneyland, Coke, etc. donate money to pro-gay organizations. They chose to link their beliefs with their product as well.

And I dont see what Mr ChickFilA said that was so upsetting. He merely stated he believes in traditional marriage. He didnt say he would only serve straight people.

And people choose to boycott and protest those companies. Every June we have protestors outside of Disney World because of Gay Days, which is an event NOT sanctioned by Disney in any way. There’s even a guy who flies a plane over the parks pulling a sign against gay people. There are people right here in Orlando that will not go to Disney because they “hire too many gays”.

Mr Chick Fil A (Truett Cathy) has taken corporate money and product and given it to organizations that are against gay marriage. He got a reaction to that corporate participation. His statement also uses the pronoun “we” as in “we the company believe”. His statement also alludes to other executives who are “still married to their first wives” which makes me think you’d better not be divorced if you want to work for that company.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Julia,

Aside from statistics…you have to consider that

Catholics are baptized
Evangelicals are baptized and part of the Church

So you have to then say that those that are baptized in the trinitarian formula and part of the Church have a disparity in percentage according to the polls and they have to be viewed jointly not separately because we are looking at consent of those in the Church…

Do you deny that those baptized in the triniarian formula are part of the Church?

That being said the question has to be asked how reliable the notion of the Evangelical percentage is as this tends to be an amorphous group as opposed to the Catholic. Does the Catholic percentage include Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, Catholic East/West…for I see the OHCAC as being composed of all of those.

These numbers need to be seen for the skewed questioning of only a portion of the Catholicity.

Finally, who cares…Augustine as you know was the Bishop of Hippo…Hippo as you know was over run by Arians. A poll at the time of Augustines Bishopric would have shown that the vast majority of Hippo residents favored Arianism. Hippo was over run by Arians. The Church was not. The Church survives and continues to grow. The “gay” controversy is but a bump in the road and those that rally should realize that like Hippo…The Church will be triumphant…somewhere, regardless of polling…

Bravo!

Like most progressive causes, so-called “gay marriage” will ultimately contribute to its own demise.

Until then, all those in favor of such nonsense can do is make up excuses about it and their own personal selfishness involved in it.

 

[markeverett49]

EDIT: So, it’s the laws that your god wants us to abide by?
But, that still seems subjective to me. Someone’s reasoning for something being right or wrong could be different to another person. So while this person may suggest that stealing is wrong because humans are social animals, another person could argue that stealing is fine under different reasoning.

Yes, a person could do that. Some have. They are wrong. Are you seriously wondering whether theft is wrong?

 

[Seeker1961]

Bravo!

Like most progressive causes, so-called “gay marriage” will ultimately contribute to its own demise.

Until then, all those in favor of such nonsense can do is make up excuses about it and their own personal selfishness involved in it.

I wouldn’t bet too much money on that “demise”. Gay marriage will exist, the Church will still not accept it. The only thing that will probably end is the fighting.

Just look at how divorce is treated. Still not accepted in the Catholic church, but you don’t hear a lot of fighting about it anymore. It exists in civil society, but the Church doesn’t accept it. Everyone has pretty much moved on.

 

[Julia_Mae]

Well you will see first hand for yourself if ssm becomes legal everywhere. Catholics still will not acknowledge this as true marriage. SSM participants will still feel upset and unfulfilled because of that.

Many Catholics, over 50% according to one survey, will acknowledge these marriages as “true” as any outside the Church. I don’t know about all gay couples, but the two I do know have never evinced any upset or lack of fulfillment because some strangers might not approve of their marriages. Or mentioned it at all. One couple did evince upset when the hurricane took out the water supply for over a week because their place is in a rural area and it took a while to get to them.

 

[Julia_Mae]

I wouldn’t bet too much money on that “demise”. Gay marriage will exist, the Church will still not accept it. The only thing that will probably end is the fighting.

Just look at how divorce is treated. Still not accepted in the Catholic church, but you don’t hear a lot of fighting about it anymore. It exists in civil society, but the Church doesn’t accept it. Everyone has pretty much moved on.

It’s so much like talking a to people who hated integration and allowing blacks to marry whites. I keep having deja vu. They were all about how it was against God’s Law and unnatural and would never work and we’d be sorry and society would be destroyed and…