I can guarantee you that survey does not include the Catholic Church.
That’s because the government doesn’t recognize their marriages, not specifically the Church. Gay people see the church as standing in the way of that government recognition. Once government fully recognizes gay marriages, the church will no longer be an issue for 99% of gay people.
I think it’s sad (and also telling) how cavalier you are about divorce…
I have no idea what you mean by “the Catholic Church” in terms of a Gallup poll of Catholics. Do you mean they didn’t call all the Bishops?
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Gay people I know don’t care what individuals think unless someone gets in their face. Feeling like a second-class citizen has to do with** the law**, not with whatever you, personally, believe. I also doubt very much you are close enough to very many gay folks that your personal observations justify you “guaranteeing” anything at all about them.
If they think that is being upset and unfulfilled, wait until they learn the meaning of “eternal separation from God!”
Deo gratias!
That’s why I always put quotes around the word, Pete, when it’s used in reference to homosexuals.
It’s the media that makes it a big issue!
And again you are confusing ME with society. Because I have the ability to observe and comment on trends in society doesn’t mean I agree with them personally. I realize that’s an easy way to point a finger and make me an enemy, but it doesn’t mean it’s true.
This is not at all the same thing. Anti-miscegenation laws were an attempt to keep blacks and whites from marrying each other. The reason people DIDN’T want such marriages to take place is because they knew they WOULD be marriages. That was the whole problem I disagree with those who supported those laws but here is the fundamental difference: race is irrelevant to marriage but sex is not.
In other words, you think the Church as lost its way? Do you think the Church should allow divorce and same-sex marriage? Is it your opinion that the Church is “out of touch” with society?
Right. Additionally, support of these laws was motivated by racial animus. This is quite different than the motivation to keep the definition of marriage between one man and one woman.
Dear Lord, what is your obsession with trying to make ME the enemy??? Where did I say ANYTHING close to what you’re indicating?
I already had this conversation, and it’s not what I said. What I said was: Talking to the people objecting to SSM is pretty much exactly like talking to segregationists. Same type of arguments, (Scripture, natural law, negative effect on society) same phraseology, same old same old.
When you are losing an argument, attack the person making the argument. When what they say makes sense, just alter what they said. When you can’t win the debate, change the subject.
The Church welcomes membership for those who have a homosexual orientation but remain celibate (which for Catholics, means chastity is implicit). You obviously understand that, Seeker. The Church cannot and will not change its position on this issue, since it is based unequivocally in Holy Scripture.
Ok, so let’s take the next step. Why are there fewer and fewer people willing to accept and embrace Church teaching? Not just on this issue, but on many other social issues?
I doubt this. Part of believing in ‘one holy, catholic and apostolic church’ is granting that its moral teachings are to be followed. That these creed-loving friends of yours think the Church is teaching moral error in at least three areas—divorce, artificial contraception, and same-sex marriage–means they think Christ is teaching moral error for he is the head of the Church!