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PRmerger
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That pretty much sums it up for me. It’s the idea that one can reject that which comes from Jesus and still claim to be part of His Body.
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razredge
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No, what if you reject the Church’s teaching on say certain theological (not moral) teachings because they contradict scientific evidence.
Does that also make you a liberal Catholic?
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PRmerger
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Can you give an example of a theological teaching that contradicts scientific evidence?
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sedonaman
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How would you know the theological teaching is wrong and not the science? The Church’s position on this is that the more scientific truth we discover, the closer we get to God because God created an ordered universe. The contradiction, therefore, would be due to an incomplete, or erroneous, interpretation of what are believed to be the facts.
[Please don’t bring up the Galileo affair.]
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Marybeloved
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That may very well be true, but neither would he be welcome in the Democratic party, where he would no doubt have told them exactly what he thought about the murdering of millions of babies in their mothers’ wombs in his characteristic blunt honesty - you know, that which won him the acid enmity of the “politically correct” of his day.
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melbanglican
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Does it ever occur to Americans that such (un-Christian) drivel as this is what makes them a laughing-stock in much of the rest of the world?
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PRmerger
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Huh?
How is saying that Democrats support
Abortion
Abolition of private property
Abolition of tradition
Adultery
Affirmative Action
Aid and comfort for America’s enemies
“Alternative lifestyles”
etc
un-Christian drivel?
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melbanglican
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Exodus 20:16. It’s interesting that you didn’t address the last of my criticisms. And why is it that so much of the hard-right Protestant hysteria and invective is infecting the modern Catholic church in America? We don’t seem to see this sort of stuff emanating from Catholics in, for example, the UK, Canada, France, Germany, Australia or New Zealand.
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PRmerger
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melb, if you could please provide the Scripture verses itself in the future that would be helpful. (You can use the icon of the Bible at the top).
At any rate, an accusation of bearing false witness does not make it so.
Are you saying that it’s false to proclaim that Democrats support abortion?
Are Democrats against divorce and re-marriage?
Are Democrats intolerant of alternative lifestyles?
Please provide your sources that document the above. Thanks.
That Americans are the laughing stock in much of the rest of the world?
I didn’t comment because I really wouldn’t know what “much of the rest of the world” says. And, actually, you can’t know either, so it’s an absurd comment and I chose to charitably ignore this.
Maybe you read 1 or 2 bloggers in the UK or Timbuktu say something like, “Oh, those silly Americans! <guffaw! guffaw!> I laugh at them!” but you can’t really draw any conclusions about what “much of the rest of the world” thinks, eh?Okay.
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sedonaman
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Even if we did, why would we care?
The more America does to correct its shortcomings, the more, not less, the world dislikes us. I’ve never seen a reasoned answer to this question.
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melbanglican
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Point by point:melb, if you could please provide the Scripture verses itself in the future that would be helpful. (You can use the icon of the Bible at the top).
At any rate, an accusation of bearing false witness does not make it so.
Are you saying that it’s false to proclaim that Democrats support abortion?
Are Democrats against divorce and re-marriage?
Are Democrats intolerant of alternative lifestyles?
Please provide your sources that document the above. Thanks.
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That Americans are the laughing stock in much of the rest of the world?
I didn’t comment because I really wouldn’t know what “much of the rest of the world” says. And, actually, you can’t know either, so it’s an absurd comment and I chose to charitably ignore this.
Okay.
- You are accusing your neighbours of the most preposterous things without providing any evidence. I’d quote specific points, but it would mean reposting most of your list! ‘Abolition of private property’? ‘Defeat for the U.S. (Priority #1)’? ‘Godless Marxism’? ‘K-12 Indoctrination into Godless Marxism’? ‘Aid and comfort for America’s enemies’? (Doesn’t look like Bin Laden got too much of that from Pres Obama, does it?) Your accusations, you put up the evidence. That’s how American Justice is supposed to work, isn’t it?
- I don’t read bloggers. Very few don’t irritate me. I talk to people, watch the news and interact with folk from around the world. That’s how I know what they’re thinking.
- I’m surprised that I’d have to provide you with the exact Biblical verse, but here you are:
Exodus 20:16, ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.’ (Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA).)[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
Peace be with you.
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sedonaman
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Here house.gov/delauro/press/2006/February/catholic_statement_2_28_06.html is the Statement of Principles by Fifty-Five (55) Catholic Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives. It attempts to justify abortion by cloaking it in the “primacy of conscience” argument. The US bishops clearly state their response here. usccb.org/catholicspubliclife.shtml .
The so-called “right to choose” has led to the destruction of over 50 million unborn and has led to such practices as the “Two Minus One Pregnancy” visionandvalues.org/2011/08/abortion-s-slippery-slope-the-two-minus-one-pregnancy , the practice of aborting one twin by injecting potassium chloride into its heart. When asked which one to abort, the woman typically asks the doctor to “use some kind of chance procedure to pick the winner and loser, so she doesn’t have to. In such cases, it is usually the one who unfortunately finds itself closer to the needle.” This is necessary to ease her conscience because she knows what is about to be done is wrong.
Barbaric practices like this are only one thing the Democratic Party has given us and is by itself sufficient to condemn the whole Party, and I don’t think it is “drivel” nor “un-Christian” to expose it for what it is so that we can make the party a victim of its own advocacy.
If you still think it is “un-Christian”, would Fr. Frank Pavone’s website priestsforlife.org/images/index.aspx#galleries, which shows pictures of aborted babies, also be “un-Christian” drivel?
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PRmerger
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Again, are you actually proposing that Democrats are against abortion?
Please cite your reference for the Democratic Party Platform that articulates their objection to abortion. Thanks.
If you cannot provide such (and I am certain that you cannot
), then saying that Democrats support abortion is, well, NOT bearing false witness but proclaiming that which is true and abhorrent.Okay.
And you talk to the “much of the rest of the world” this way? Really? Forgive my skepticism, but I respond with: :ehh:
Why would you be surprised?
I’m going to provide these verses for you and you tell me what they say, without, of course, recourse to Fr. Google
or any other reference. Do you know off the top of your head what Job 19:17 says? What about 1 Samuel 24:3?I trust in your integrity that you’re going to tell me, truthfully, whether you know what those verses are without looking them up.
At any rate, no matter. I was simply asking that you do this for future posts, for ease of discussion.
The purpose of being on the CAFs, melb, is to dialogue and discourse with other folks about religion in general and Catholicism in specific. That you are unable to do this without thinking this is “creating division” is peculiar.
It’s like going to a cruciverbalist forum and saying, “I can’t believe you want to discuss crossword puzzles! I’m leaving!” :whacky:
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sedonaman
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So do I; plus, I read a lot of books. That’s how I know what they’re thinking, and that’s how I came up with the list.
Another example: It’s no secret that Democrats for some time have controlled education not only K-12 but especially higher ed. Consequently, the faculty of the social studies fields are comprised of Democrats by a ratio as high as 30:1. That doesn’t happen by accident. Here studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/775/NathanielNelsonProfVocinoarticle080105.htm is a “Little Churchill” and, as such, a perfect example of the results of Democratic Party control.
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BillP
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Dude, get a grip. He didn’t take issue with your characterizing the position of Democrats as being “pro-abortion” he took issue with several specific things
note that abortion isn’t even on the list
So this isn’t really applicable is it?If you cannot provide such (and I am certain that you cannot
The rest of your list is, well, inflammatory enough and so mis-representative of what Democrats actually believe in and stand for that one wonders about the “good-will” of the person that authored it.
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sedonaman
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sedonaman
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Why is it inflammatory? They are issues that Democrats support one way or another, as I illustrated with the “Two-Minus-One” abortion.
As far as my “good will” is concerned, I wonder the same thing about the so-called “Catholic” dissident groups that I posted earlier.
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PRmerger
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Ok. Then he didn’t feel we were “bearing false witness” about Democrats supporting abortion.
Are Democrats against alternative lifestyles?
(Just wondering.
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sedonaman
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No. You perhaps read it wrong. It was a list of things Democrats support or do not oppose.…
Are Democrats against alternative lifestyles?
(Just wondering.
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PRmerger
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I know, Friend. It was my failed attempt at being coy.No. You perhaps read it wrong. It was a list of things Democrats support or do not oppose.
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