Why do liberals like Islam when Islamic Sharia law condemns homosexuals to death?

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Rush Limbaugh says it best.

“Conservatives live in Real-ville, while Liberals tend to live in Fantasy-land.”

Liberals see only what they want to see. Facts don’t matter, just look at how many Liberals still believe in Socialism despite it’s utter disasterous failures. Liberalism is a religion, not a political thought.
And so many self-styled conservatives believe in Randism – an inhumane utopian fantasyland that would be just as horrible as any that Mao or Stalin could think up. Ayn Rand was the architect of the culture of death, yet so many alleged conservatives who claim to be Christian practically worship her and her poorly written, inconsistent and incoherent garbage.

And then there are the so-called “Tea Partiers” who believe that the government should get out of their Medicare and who think that everything should be cut from the budget for social programmes, infrastructure, education, etc., but that Social Security should be boosted and tax breaks given – to lower a deficit.

One could argue that so many conservatives are hypocritical and incapable of calculating basic sums. This is why I eschew petty ad homenims and sycophantic polemics in favour of real discussion of issues. How about we posit ideas and argue them, instead of a poorly-defined arbitrarily assigned label?
 
Dinesh D’Souza, the author of What’s So Great About Christianity is a shill for Islamic supremacy?

Well thank you for proving how Liberals live in Fantasyland. 👍
Who said I was a liberal? I don’t use terms like liberal and conservative to describe myself, at least not the way you Americans have distorted the terms. I believe in real marriage, am against abortion, don’t care one bit for Occupy people or hippies. I’d ask you to refrain from making unfounded judgements about me.

Anyway, D’Souza has written some good stuff in the past, but recently he’s getting too cozy with his promotion of Islamic ideas (e.g. he thinks their wearing of burqas is good for modesty) and he plays down the jihad threat. Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, and Raymond Ibrahim have written against his disordered ideas to different extents. He is no friend of the anti-jihad movement. Instead he is seen as a useful idiot.
 
Who said I was a liberal? I don’t use terms like liberal and conservative to describe myself, at least not the way you Americans have distorted the terms. I believe in real marriage, am against abortion, don’t care one bit for Occupy people or hippies. I’d ask you to refrain from making unfounded judgements about me.

Anyway, D’Souza has written some good stuff in the past, but recently he’s getting too cozy with his promotion of Islamic ideas (e.g. he thinks their wearing of burqas is good for modesty) and he plays down the jihad threat. Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, and Raymond Ibrahim have written against his disordered ideas to different extents. He is no friend of the anti-jihad movement. Instead he is seen as a useful idiot.
Asking me to refrain making unfound judgements as you call Mr. D’Souza a “useful idiot” :rolleyes:
 
They like Islam because they’re not Catholic.
Liberals like everything and anything that’s not Catholic.
:rolleyes:

Don’t be so ethnocentric.
Many people have gone their entire lives without ever even thinking of Catholicism.
 
Rush Limbaugh says it best.

“Conservatives live in Real-ville, while Liberals tend to live in Fantasy-land.”

Liberals see only what they want to see. Facts don’t matter, just look at how many Liberals still believe in Socialism despite it’s utter disasterous failures. Liberalism is a religion, not a political thought.
Is this theory backed up by anything?
 
Your making an unfair generalization.
I consider myself a liberal, and I despise Islam.
I, too, am a liberal who despises Islam. I cannot think of a liberal I know who “likes” Islam, in any sense of the word “like.”
 
Because both Liberalism and Islam are united in their disdain for christianity.
Remember, Satan posesses angelic intelligence and can easily manipulate fallen worldly beliefs such as these. One group attacks the Church from within while the other strikes from afar…
That’s an abuse of the term united.

Islam is incompatible with liberalism, because it is an imperial (or at least imperious) religion.
 
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Rush Limbaugh says it best.

“Conservatives live in Real-ville, while Liberals tend to live in Fantasy-land.”

Liberals see only what they want to see. Facts don’t matter, just look at how many Liberals still believe in Socialism despite it’s utter disasterous failures. Liberalism is a religion, not a political thought.

Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Is this theory backed up by anything?
Yeah, the fact that people still espouse Marxism and Socialism.
I will take that as a no.
Unless you see no difference between conservatism and right-wing movements such as Fascism.
 
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Originally Posted by austenbosten
Rush Limbaugh says it best.

“Conservatives live in Real-ville, while Liberals tend to live in Fantasy-land.”

Liberals see only what they want to see. Facts don’t matter, just look at how many Liberals still believe in Socialism despite it’s utter disasterous failures. Liberalism is a religion, not a political thought.

Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Is this theory backed up by anything?

I will take that as a no.
Unless you see no difference between conservatism and right-wing movements such as Fascism.
Well seeing as you see a movement that believes:
  • The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
  • A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.
  • The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.
  • The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.
  • A minimum wage.
  • The participation of workers’ representatives in the functions of industry commissions
~ Mussolini’s “Fascist Manifesto” of 1919
…as Right-wing, I have nothing else to say to you.
 
Liberals call us Catholics bigots for saying we believe that marriage should be as it was in the beginning, Adam and Eve, because Jesus (God in the flesh) told us this is the way it should be. But these same liberals give a free pass to Islam whose Sharia law condemns homosexuals to death. And this isn’t just a belief in Islam, it’s a regular occurrence to see homosexuals sentenced to death and executed for being homosexual in Islamic nations with Sharia law. Yet, liberals bend over backwards to defend Islam while calling us Catholics the bigots. It doesn’t make any sense.
It’s because there aren’t many Muslims in America, and in America, Muslims tend to assimilate well into American culture. If Mulsims were really vocal against homosexuals here, they would get more criticism.

In Europe, there has been a problem with Muslims not assimilating well and being active against gay causes the way Christians are in the USA. And guess what? In Europe, you see a lot more people criticizing Islam regarding their stance on gays. The Netherlands in particular has in the last few years really paid attention to this issue due to the fact homosexuality is completely accepted in their culture, but new Muslim immigrants are starting to do things like bet up gays, vandalize gay establishments, threaten homosexuals, and push for laws against homosexuals. The response by the Netherlands has been swift, to the point that now new Muslim immigrants to the country are literally meant to watch videos explainng about how homosexuality is accepted in the Dutch culture, and if they don’t like it, they should consider not immigrating to their country.

You’re always going to be most vocal against the group that affects where you live. For instance, in some parts of Europe, almost no Christians are against homosexuals. When I lived in Holland, there were openly gay Catholic politicians, and no one said anything about that. i never encountered a single Christian who had any problem with gay marriage, but I did meet many Muslims who felt that way. As a result, you don’t see Dutch people being very critical of Christians because in their society, Christians don’t attack gays except for maybe some tiny fringe that’s so small as to be insignificant. They are very critical of Muslims, however because in their culture, Muslims are very much against gays.

In America, it’s the opposite. You don’t see a big Muslim lobby fighting gays, but you do see a big Chirstian lobby.

It’s just a matter of who poses the biggest threat to homosexuals where they actually live. I’ll bet you that Muslims in the Netherlands have their own web pages where they lament that liberals don’t get on the Christian’s case even though Christians in some countries are very active against homosexuals.

Who do you guys criticize more, homosexuals or Muslims? Homosexuals, by far. yet who is oppressing Chirstians around the world, preventing them from free exercize of their religion, even ensalving, jailing, or executing them in some places? Not gays, Muslims. But you guys dont live in an area where Muslims are stoning you to death, but you do live in a place where you encounter a lot of homosexuals and advocates of homosexual rights. Therefor even though homosexuals aren’t doing anything to you except not follow your religion, you give them far more venom than you do to Muslims who actually do persecute Christians around the world.

it’s all about proximity. You worry most about things that directly affect the society you live in.
 
I guess I’d fall under your definition of a “liberal” and I don’t like Islam. I think it’s as bad as Christianity. But, as far as I’m concerned the Bible also calls for homosexuals to be put to death, and many Muslims have grown up just as Christianity has.
 
I guess I’d fall under your definition of a “liberal” and I don’t like Islam. I think it’s as bad as Christianity. But, as far as I’m concerned the Bible also calls for homosexuals to be put to death, and many Muslims have grown up just as Christianity has.
Also, keep in mind that plenty of conservative Christians want to kill homosexuals, the laws of the West just prevent them from doing so. That is why Christian groups in the last few years have given great amounts of money and support to nations in which gays are routinely jailed, beaten, raped, or killed. Uganda’s push to execute homosexuals is almost entirely due to efforts by American Christians with Uganda’s government.

Fundamentalist American conservative Christians can’t kill gays in their own country, but they want to kill them so badly, they go to countries where this is more of a reality, or give money to countries that jail, torture, and/or kill homosexuals. NOM is famous for giving money to and spreading propaganda in nations where violence against gays is a huge problem.

Whenever I see an online news article about some country in which violence against homosexuals is on the rise, either by the government or their civilian populations, or both, I see a huge number of comments by Christians talking about how awesome this is and they wish they could kill gays here too.

Another problem in Africa is the “witch children.” American Pentacostal Christians went into West Africa and started doing huge pushes of propaganda that focused heavily on evil and driving out the devil. In the years since Pentacostals have moved in, thousands of children have been burned, tortured, killed, or exiled after being acused of demonic possession by Christian officials, typically bishops. For some reason they almost always focus on children as being either witches or demons. There was one case of a bishop who personally killed over one hundred children. There is an excellent documentary “saving Africa’s Witch Children” on the subject.

Isn’t it funny how Christians here in American scream and scream about stuff like being forced to provide birth control to people, yet have no problem giving money to Christian organizations that are responsible for the murder of children and homosexuals abroad? And even if they don’t actually support these groups, they sure don’t have anything bad to say about them either, do they? There aren’t any threads on this web site about Africa’s Witch children, are there? Even though these children, sometimes even babies, are being burned to death at an alarming rate.

Way to have your priorities straight, people.

I am very grateful for the rise of secularism in the West, because as the Christians lose power here, they are less likely to ever be able to instate the violent and oppressive policies their Muslim brothers have, or the violent and opppressive policies CHristians advocate in less secular parts of the world. To me, Christians and Muslims are two sides of the same coin. There are plenty of rational, moderate Christians and Muslims who just want to do their own thing and leave others alone. But there are unfortunately no lack of fannatics in both whose dearest wish is to burn all heretics.
 
There’s a mosque being built on ground zero. They still haven’t allowed the church in area to be rebuilt. Oh, wait. It’s not a mosque. It’s an “islamic center”.

cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-20109949.html
You mean the mosque that has operated as a worship center for Muslims in New York long before 911 occured? The mosque that is not at “ground zero” but blocks away? The Orthodox church that was damaged in 911 is not allowed to repair the damage?
 
Hi guys.
Thread has been moved from SJ to here.
I’m the sheriff in charge.
I suggest we all post with charity.
Thank you.
 
Who do you guys criticize more, homosexuals or Muslims? Homosexuals, by far. yet who is oppressing Chirstians around the world, preventing them from free exercize of their religion, even ensalving, jailing, or executing them in some places? Not gays, Muslims. But you guys dont live in an area where Muslims are stoning you to death, but you do live in a place where you encounter a lot of homosexuals and advocates of homosexual rights. Therefor even though homosexuals aren’t doing anything to you except not follow your religion, you give them far more venom than you do to Muslims who actually do persecute Christians around the world.

it’s all about proximity. You worry most about things that directly affect the society you live in.
I respectfully disagree.

Homosexual advocates are doing tremendous damage to christianity by spreading lies and trying to bring about the acceptance of mortal sin in society. I’m absolutely not advocating either, but at the end of the day which one is truly the worse of two evils: the evil that has a person stoned to death and turned into a martyr, or the evil such as tolerance of sodomy that enters into a person’s mind and turns a Christian away from their God and sets him/her on a path to eternal damnation where the suffering will last forever and will be infinitely worse then anything that a person could imagine in this life?

(Welcome to CAF, btw 🙂 )
 
Your making an unfair generalization.
I consider myself a liberal, and I despise Islam.
Me too, I love Muslims just like anyone else, but I oppose religious laws that promote violence, hatred and discrimination.
Liberals may take a side with Muslims as people because lot’s of them can be good, but I never saw a liberal taking a side with Sharia laws. :rolleyes:
 
Your making an unfair generalization.
I consider myself a liberal, and I despise Islam.
Me too, I love Muslims just like anyone else, but I oppose religious laws that promote violence, hatred and discrimination wherever and whatever it is.
Liberals may take a side with Muslims as people because lot’s of them can be good, but I never saw a liberal taking a side with Sharia laws. :rolleyes:
 
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