Why do liberals like Islam when Islamic Sharia law condemns homosexuals to death?

[crazzeto]

It’s called being logically incosistant. And while Islam it’s self, compared to the past, does give women certain higher status… The fact is Christianity uniquly democrases by declaring all to be made in the image and likeness of God, more over women typically have far fewer rights in Islamic nations.

They like it because they view it as a religion, which isn’t Christianity, which seems to be opposed to Christianty, which also seems to have some sort of historical roots (though not as firm as the Christian faith).

 

[IbnFiktur]

One should be careful with generalizations. There are Log Cabin Republicans who support gay civil unions. There are fundamentalist Christians who support the fundamentalist morality of non-violent Muslims. There are liberal secularists who support liberal social ideas, but do support U.S. military interventionist policies in oil-producing Muslim nations. The world out there is not black and white.

We need to chill out a bit, turn off the talking heads, and heed the words of Jesus Christ.

God’s peace

Micah

 

[Hesychios]

Liberals call us Catholics bigots for saying we believe that marriage should be as it was in the beginning, Adam and Eve, because Jesus (God in the flesh) told us this is the way it should be. But these same liberals give a free pass to Islam whose Sharia law condemns homosexuals to death. And this isn’t just a belief in Islam, it’s a regular occurrence to see homosexuals sentenced to death and executed for being homosexual in Islamic nations with Sharia law. Yet, liberals bend over backwards to defend Islam while calling us Catholics the bigots. It doesn’t make any sense.

This is a strange post full of unsupported generalizations

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8

Don’t be so ethnocentric.
People can easily go their entire lives without ever even thinking of Catholicism.

That is true for the Leftists…until the Catholics decide to be against the HHS mandate.

You’re once again assuming that everything is about* you*.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Well seeing as you see a movement that believes:

Quote:
The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.
The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.
The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.
A minimum wage.
The participation of workers’ representatives in the functions of industry commissions

~ Mussolini’s “Fascist Manifesto” of 1919

…as Right-wing, I have nothing else to say to you.

Of course not.
Because the idea that the Nazis and other Fascists were left-wing is a myth promoted by American conservatives/right-wingers that everyone else rightfully finds laughable.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I guess I’d fall under your definition of a “liberal” and I don’t like Islam. I think it’s as bad as Christianity. But, as far as I’m concerned the Bible also calls for homosexuals to be put to death, and many Muslims have grown up just as Christianity has.

Yes, but unfortunately Muslims are far more likely to practice what their Book preaches (in that regard at least).

 

[livingwordunity]

I, too, am a liberal who despises Islam. I cannot think of a liberal I know who “likes” Islam, in any sense of the word “like.”

CNN openly promotes Islam. And Obama always speaks very highly of the Qur’an (even though he calls himself a Christian despite putting down the Holy Bible and rejecting parts of it).

 

[superamazingman]

CNN openly promotes Islam.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

CNN openly promotes Islam. And Obama always speaks very highly of the Qur’an (even though he calls himself a Christian despite putting down the Holy Bible and rejecting parts of it).

If I speak well of Judaism does that make me a Jew?

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Originally Posted by livingwordunity
CNN openly promotes Islam

I haven’t watched CNN in years. Is it really that bad now?

I don’t watch CNN very often, but I suspect livingwordunity is exaggerating at best.

 

[mafh]

Liberals call us Catholics bigots for saying we believe that marriage should be as it was in the beginning, Adam and Eve, because Jesus (God in the flesh) told us this is the way it should be. But these same liberals give a free pass to Islam whose Sharia law condemns homosexuals to death. And this isn’t just a belief in Islam, it’s a regular occurrence to see homosexuals sentenced to death and executed for being homosexual in Islamic nations with Sharia law. Yet, liberals bend over backwards to defend Islam while calling us Catholics the bigots. It doesn’t make any sense.

I’m a liberal, but I can only speak for myself and my own feelings. Also, I’m from the US, and I only know American Muslims, so I’m primarily thinking about them in the following.

I certainly do not call anyone bigots, unless the definition unequivocally fits (like with the KKK).

I feel drawn to defend anyone who I feel is being unjustly ganged up on. After 9/11, a lot of anti-Islam attitudes suddenly popped up, and a lot of innocent Muslims were affected by this prejudice. I suppose its the same sort of thing that happened during WWII to Japanese Americans (though not as bad in this case, fortunately). At least as practiced in the US, Islam is generally a harmless, peaceful religion, and Muslim Americans just want to go about their business, practice their religion, and not be harassed. They didn’t like Osama bin Laden any more than the rest of us did. Even on this board, which usually has a higher standard of behavior than most internet forums, there is far too much uninformed anti-Muslim rhetoric. So, I feel drawn to defend them.

I know only a bit about Sharia law. There are some parts that I find praiseworthy, some parts that I find appalling, and some parts that I’m neutral about. In general, I don’t want to live under Sharia law. But, I don’t mind if US courts need to refer to Sharia law, when they are arbitrating divorces of marriages contracted under Sharia law, or when they are administering wills drafted according to Sharia law. How could a judge not refer to Sharia law under these circumstances? Or, if two Muslims in a civil dispute agree to an arbitration that follows Sharia law, why should I care? Where Sharia law doesn’t violate US law, there is no reason that parties can’t follow it, if they choose.

No Muslim American that I know of wants to impose Sharia law on the US. The specter of Sharia law has become a sort of boogie man that people invoke when they are engaging in anti-Muslim rhetoric. In fact, my Muslim colleague says that Muslims appreciate the US for one of the same reasons we appreciate it – religious freedom. He says that the US gives him more freedom to practice Islam that was available in his original country of Egypt (before the revolution, at least).

In summary, I defend Islam because I see that it needs defenders in the US. If I lived in an Islamic country where it was the Catholics who were being oppressed, then I would spend more time defending Catholicism.

 

[4Squarebaby]

I think its simply to due some liberals taking Multiculturalism too far and taking Muslim claims about Islam at face value. The truth is though, that we should examine Islam and its practices at least as critically as we do Christianity.

I agree, and since they see most Muslim immigrants, as well as native born citizens as poor and racial minorities they also believe they will have their votes as long as they don’t insult their prophet.

 

[Pythons]

To the OP: Please define what you think “Sharia Law” actually is. For instance, where can I view a copy of “Sharia Law?” And where in that book does it condemn homosexuals to death?

An individual Muslims interpretation of what Islam teaches ( the Koran ) is absolutely worthless in a Sharia State…
…Sharia is a code of Islamic Traditions which determine what happens to a person if they do or don’t do so and so.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

Thus, what some Muslim living in the US or UK says Islam teaches is rubbish…
…Examples of Sharia law in application are:

1. Afghanistan
2. Bahrain
3. Iran
4. Mauritania
5. Oman
6. Pakistan
7. Yemen
8. Saudi Arabia
9. Gaza

For how Sharia treats homosexuals see:

ranker.com/list/7-worst-capital-punishments-for-being-illegally-gay/joanne

creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/muslim-leaders-agree-death-for-gays/

Some Hadiths:

Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”.

Abu Dawud (4448) - “If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.” (Note the implicit approval of sodomizing one’s wife).

Bukhari (72:774) - “The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, ‘Turn them out of your houses .’ The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.”

al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] “Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver.”

Reliance of the Traveller, p17.2 - “May Allah curse him who does what Lot’s people did.” This is also repeated in three other places.

 

[psregor]

Someone says liberals are pro-Islam and everybody is off and running.

Please tell us where did this info come from?

 

[IbnFiktur]

And Obama always speaks very highly of the Qur’an.

JP II kissed the Qur’an.

 

[Publisher]

CNN openly promotes Islam. And Obama always speaks very highly of the Qur’an (even though he calls himself a Christian despite putting down the Holy Bible and rejecting parts of it).

I find many moving and beautiful passages in the Holy Qur’an. One of my favorite books on Islam is “Heart of the Koran” by Lex Hixon. It highlights some of those passages in a modern English rendition…he notes that much is lost in the English from the Arabic…so he provides a free flowing translation…almost a paraphrase…for English readers to catch some of the depth of meaning…I highly recommend.it.

 

[kbwall]

I think it has to do with the fact Islam is a minority in America, which helps it in several ways among the liberals.

First off, as a minority, not as many people are followers, which means not as many people to state their opinions against homosexuality. They’re not as vocal as the Christians, partly because there’s not as many to unite and form a voice, and partly I suspect because Muslims have such a bad reputation in America that they’re afraid to draw too much attention to themselves. The majority do not do research on religions other than their own (and often not even their own).

There’s also the fact that, as a minority, they look more like a victim to be helped up. Liberals, to put it bluntly, are rather shortsighted and ignorant. Muslims are a minority, and thus liberals want to be on their side, despite the fact that that Muslims oppose liberals even more than the Christians do. Also, as a minority, you get to look all cool and multicultural by siding with them.

There’s also the simple fact that the war with the Muslims in Afghanistan started when a Conservative was in power.

Of course, the Old Testament says people are to be put to death for working on the sabbath. So I guess it is hipocritical to call out islam for the Sharia laws, it’s just that Islam has people to enforce those rules whereas the Jews fell out of power. Still, it is quite stupid of liberals to not realize that Islam condemns homosexuality and most other liberal causes just as much, if not more than, Christianity does.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

I think it has to do with the fact Islam is a minority in America, which helps it in several ways among the liberals.

First off, as a minority, not as many people are followers, which means not as many people to state their opinions against homosexuality. They’re not as vocal as the Christians, partly because there’s not as many to unite and form a voice, and partly I suspect because Muslims have such a bad reputation in America that they’re afraid to draw too much attention to themselves. The majority do not do research on religions other than their own (and often not even their own).

There’s also the fact that, as a minority, they look more like a victim to be helped up. Liberals, to put it bluntly, are rather shortsighted and ignorant. Muslims are a minority, and thus liberals want to be on their side, despite the fact that that Muslims oppose liberals even more than the Christians do. Also, as a minority, you get to look all cool and multicultural by siding with them.

There’s also the simple fact that the war with the Muslims in Afghanistan started when a Conservative was in power.

Of course, the Old Testament says people are to be put to death for working on the sabbath. So I guess it is hipocritical to call out islam for the Sharia laws, it’s just that Islam has people to enforce those rules whereas the Jews fell out of power. Still, it is quite stupid of liberals to not realize that Islam condemns homosexuality and most other liberal causes just as much, if not more than, Christianity does.

Do you have anything to back that claim up?

 

[meltzerboy]

Liberals call us Catholics bigots for saying we believe that marriage should be as it was in the beginning, Adam and Eve, because Jesus (God in the flesh) told us this is the way it should be. But these same liberals give a free pass to Islam whose Sharia law condemns homosexuals to death. And this isn’t just a belief in Islam, it’s a regular occurrence to see homosexuals sentenced to death and executed for being homosexual in Islamic nations with Sharia law. Yet, liberals bend over backwards to defend Islam while calling us Catholics the bigots. It doesn’t make any sense.

I’m a liberal and I agree with you: it doesn’t make any sense. Neither does the liberal, often Jewish, passion of being hypercritical of Israel and Zionism regardless of the facts in a particular situation. True liberals should be equally respectful of all religions, and critical only if need be.

 

[livingwordunity]

Originally Posted by livingwordunity
CNN openly promotes Islam

I don’t watch CNN very often, but I suspect livingwordunity is exaggerating at best.

They had a show with a regular CNN host who is proudly Islamic telling everyone why he thinks Islam is such a good religion.