Why do lutherans call themselves evangelical catholics?

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steido01 said:
I can think of no better example of Rome’s patience. Imagine; continuing dialogue with a target as it moves further and further from the catholic faith.
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In-fact the Catholic Church moved ever closer to Lutherans during the Dialogue, even identifying the ELCA as the Lutherans representing the Lutheran faith. JDDJ was signed on October 31, 1999; Reformation Day on all Lutheran calendars. Was that just a coincidence?

The LCA began ordaining females in 1970.
 
I guess your Reformation Day is fast approaching then!
So how do Lutherans who want to be called Catholics celebrate Reformation Day?
 
7_Sorrows said:
I guess your Reformation Day is fast approaching then!
So how do Lutherans who want to be called Catholics celebrate Reformation Day?
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To be quite honest, Reformation Day or Reformation Sunday receive less attention today. When I was young, there were Reformation Festivals, some held in Episcopal cathedrals because Lutherans did not have the necessary space to accommodate several thousand worshipers. I once attended a Reformation Choral Vespers when the great Lutheran preacher, Oswald Hoffman presided. I cherish the photo I have with Pastor Hoffman.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Regarding urgency; your guess is as good as mine but once one reads the Dialogue [some are long] it becomes quite clear what is the intent of the bishops, theologians involved. Benedict XVI was particularly involved though the signing of the JDDJ was under Pope John Paul II.

Lutherans have been ordaining women for over 50 years, the same length of time as the Dialogue with Catholics.
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I’m not really sure what you are trying to imply with this statement. That the Catholic Church really has no problem with the Lutherans ordaining women?

I must say that you are the eternal optimist, but I also must say that while it is not the only issue that separates us, the ordination of women is a major and insurmountable obstacle to unity with the Catholic Church. That the Church has no authority to ordain women is a doctrine of the Catholic Church. St. Pope John Paul, II made a definitive statement which all Catholics are obligated to believe and to which they all must adhere. The Catholic Church cannot change a doctrine. This is a reality that you must acknowledge.
 
GKC said:
I’d give the laurels to the Anglicans, broadly considered, by an oven-mitt miter.

GKC
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In defence of Anglicanism, I’d repeat our sempiternal claim that Rome has moved its goalposts too, re: Tridentine doctrinal formulae, Marian dogma, Vatican I, etc. I admit that recently we’ve been the ones making things so difficult, though. Nostra maxima culpa.
 
Novocastrian said:
In defence of Anglicanism, I’d repeat our sempiternal claim that Rome has moved its goalposts too, re: Tridentine doctrinal formulae, Marian dogma, Vatican I, etc. I admit that recently we’ve been the ones making things so difficult, though. Nostra maxima culpa.
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Yeah. But, as noted, I’m not responsible for the goalposts on the other side, keep me in place though they may. I do tend to get queried about the gracious Katherine, and the contemporary Anglican novelties minted in my life time. Eorum maxima culpa

GKC
 
EvangelCatholic said:
In-fact the Catholic Church moved ever closer to Lutherans during the Dialogue, even identifying the ELCA as the Lutherans representing the Lutheran faith. JDDJ was signed on October 31, 1999; Reformation Day on all Lutheran calendars. Was that just a coincidence?

The LCA began ordaining females in 1970.
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Sadly so.

Jon
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Sad for you, Jon or the many Christians receiving the Holy Word and Sacraments at the hands of these faithful women priests? :rolleyes:
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Sad for the many Lutherans who have jettisoned the scriptural and historic/traditional understanding of the universal Church, east and west, of who can be validly ordained.

Jon
 
7_Sorrows said:
In the episcopal church, but like you said it depends who you ask.
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7 Sorrows,

I am still curious at the number of the sacraments being five. Was this just one Episcopal parish where you were taught this?

Which 5 of the 7 did they include, and which 2 did they omit? I have to admit that confuses me … a lot.
 
andrewstx said:
7 Sorrows,

I am still curious at the number of the sacraments being five. Was this just one Episcopal parish where you were taught this?

Which 5 of the 7 did they include, and which 2 did they omit? I have to admit that confuses me … a lot.
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Me too. I’m just prepared to believe anything, though.

GKC
 
It was back in the 1990’s when I had briefly returned to the episcopal church before becoming anglican and finally the journey home to the Catholic church. I thought they were baptism, confirmation, holy matrimony, holy orders and unction.
 
7_Sorrows said:
It was back in the 1990’s when I had briefly returned to the episcopal church before becoming anglican and finally the journey home to the Catholic church. I thought they were baptism, confirmation, holy matrimony, holy orders and unction.
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Thanks for the answer Sorrows.
 
Nowadays it seems pretty normal to me to hear Lutherans describe themselves as “evangelical”, but I can remember when that confused me. (Actually, before 2000 or so, the only “evangelical” Lutherans I was aware of were the ELCA, so I thought that Lutherans calling themselves “evangelical” was a sign of liberalism. So I was confused but didn’t know it.)
 
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