Why do lutherans call themselves evangelical catholics?

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JonNC said:
If a stranger comes to town and asks where the nearest Orthodox Church is, no one would point them to a Catholic Church.

Does that mean Catholicism is, therefore, heterodox?
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Absolutely. From the Orthodox point of view, the Latins have left the OHCA faith and are continuing to drift from it through the development of doctrine.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Lutherans and Anglicans continue to forge ever closer relationships to the point that they hold their respective general assemblies together in Canada, for example.
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This is really great news!
7_Sorrows said:
The problem is you have no comprehension of what it means to be Catholic.
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This is a very inaccurate statement to make about JonNC. He comprehends Catholicism better than most Catholics.
 
guanophore said:
Absolutely. From the Orthodox point of view, the Latins have left the OHCA faith and are continuing to drift from it through the development of doctrine.
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Sure. From their POV. And I think there we find the answer, at least in part, to the OP’s question. From our POV, we retain the very essence of catholicity.
#Scripture being the word of God.
#The tradition and history of the Church, and its role in helping us to understand, maintaining the teachings of the Apostles.

The salvific and regenerative nature of Baptism​

The real presence of His body and blood in the Eucharist​

That grace is received through both word and sacrament​

Etc.

From the position of a Catholic in communion with the Bishop or Rome, Lutherans have lost at least some of that by not being in communion with the Bishop or Rome.
So our friend 7 Sorrows doesn’t understand how I, a Lutheran, am willing to refer to myself as Evangelical Catholic, because I do not accept all of the tenants of the "Roman Catholic communion.
And I say that, yes, we have retained them, “in order that it might be understood that in doctrine and ceremonies nothing has been received on our part against Scripture or the Church Catholic”

Jon
 
guanophore said:
This is really great news!

This is a very inaccurate statement to make about JonNC. He comprehends Catholicism better than most Catholics./Quote:
Originally Posted by EvangelCatholic
Lutherans and Anglicans continue to forge ever closer relationships to the point that they hold their respective general assemblies together in Canada, for example.
This is really great news!

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Originally Posted by 7 Sorrows
The problem is you have no comprehension of what it means to be Catholic.

“This is a very inaccurate statement to make about JonNC. He comprehends Catholicism better than most Catholics.”

Unadulterated malarkey!
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guanophore said:
This is really great news!

This is a very inaccurate statement to make about JonNC. He comprehends Catholicism better than most Catholics.
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“This is a very inaccurate statement to make about JonNC. He comprehends Catholicism better than most Catholics.”

The statement above is unadulterated malarkey.

Annie
 
Annie39 said:
“This is a very inaccurate statement to make about JonNC. He comprehends Catholicism better than most Catholics.”

The statement above is unadulterated malarkey.

Annie
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Yes, we painfully are aware of your own scholarship regarding Catholics :rolleyes:
 
guanophore said:
Well I learn something new every day on this forum!

Thank you Jon.

What prevents them from being instituttionally united?
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What prevents the autocephalous Eastern Orthodox churches from being likewise instituttionally united?
 
JonNC said:
I would strongly encourage my Lutheran siblings to refrain from taking offense at Catholics using the term Evangelical.

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Jon
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I think if any Catholic announces, “I am an Evangelical!” that ought to be dissuaded.

Just like if a Lutheran announces, “I am a Catholic!”

(Unless, of course, he actually has converted.)
 
7_Sorrows said:
The problem is you have no comprehension of what it means to be Catholic.
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If by “you”, you mean, a generic “you”, as in, “When people say that they are evangelical catholic you * have no comprehension of what it means”…

then I say:



However, if you are asserting that JonNC has no comprehension of what it means to be Catholic, then I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that. JonNC’s knowledge of Catholicism is much better than the average lump-in-the-pew parishioner.*
 
PRmerger said:
I think if any Catholic announces, “I am an Evangelical!” that ought to be dissuaded.

Just like if a Lutheran announces, “I am a Catholic!”

(Unless, of course, he actually has converted.)
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I think, if left at that, (the Catholics says “I am an Evangelical!”, or if the Lutheran states,“I am a Catholic!”), I would agree, because it becomes misleading.
But when I put the qualifier “evangelical” with “Catholic”, it becomes clear what I am saying.

In the same way, when these folks say the same phrase, one can understand.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
I think, if left at that, (the Catholics says “I am an Evangelical!”, or if the Lutheran states,“I am a Catholic!”), I would agree, because it becomes misleading.
But when I put the qualifier “evangelical” with “Catholic”, it becomes clear what I am saying.

In the same way, when these folks say the same phrase, one can understand.

Jon
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So we are agreed, then. 👍

Lutherans ought not call themselves Catholics.
Catholics ought not call themselves Evangelicals.

Thus, your statement here below seems amiss. Lutherans ought to take some offense at Catholics using the term Evangelical.
JonNC said:
I would strongly encourage my Lutheran siblings to refrain from taking offense at Catholics using the term Evangelical.

:cool: 😃
Jon
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