Why do many Catholics vote for pro-choice candidates/parties?

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Supporting a politician who calls for abortion is a mortal sin. Unrepented it condemns the soul to hell. There’s no way around it. The only reason to vote for a politician that supports it is “I love the world and it’s morality more than Christ and his morality”
 
OfficialServusDei said:
Supporting a politician who calls for abortion is a mortal sin.
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I know of no politician who is “calling for abortion.” I know plenty that want to allow abortion. Also, there is no official Catholic teaching that says voting in this manner is a mortal sin. I recommend consulting the voting guide from the US bishops for something more authoritative than anonymous forum posters.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Supporting a politician who calls for abortion is a mortal sin.
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True, there is no politician (of which I am aware), who “calls for” or “supports” abortion. President Trump never performed such a tour de force as when he raised the issue of late-term abortion and possibly even infanticide (as though those are not one and same thing, dependent only on location) in his State of the Union address, and forced the Democrats into utter silence. Was there some kind of laryngitis going around that prevented one of them from standing up, as Congressman Joe Wilson did to Obama, and shouting “you lie!”?

LifeSite News has on their website this report of those who are actually willing to celebrate abortion:


A lot of people hate on LifeSite News, but I’m hard-pressed to find anything “wrong” with it. It is only too bad that they don’t have a 24-hour news channel on cable and satellite alongside CNN and Fox News.
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Although I don’t agree with the activists and their message, they do represent a tiny fraction of those with pro-choice views. By selectively highlighting this minority, LifeSite attempts to foster outrage against a larger group.

As for LifeSite itself, it is problematic when they choose to set themselves up as judge over the hierarchy with their database of what they call “faithful shepherds” which apparently are those clergy who agree with their specific focus of issues. It is one thing to criticize the laity for not following Catholic teaching. It is quite another to accuse a significant portion of the clergy too for not preaching the way LifeSite thinks they should. I view LifeSite as nothing more than a political interest group. They have no official charter from the Church. They have some priests as members, but as a group that are totally unofficial. And I would add, they are destructive to the unity of Church by trying to divide the clergy into “faithful shepherds” and “unfaithful shepherds”. That is shameful, and it colors everything else good they might have to say.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Although I don’t agree with the activists and their message, they do represent a tiny fraction of those with pro-choice views. By selectively highlighting this minority, LifeSite attempts to foster outrage against a larger group.
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As the saying goes, “dog bites man” is not news, “man bites dog” is news. If anything, reporting of extreme points of view, such as this one, might well force pro-choicers to have to defend themselves and say “those people go too far, this is reprehensible, this is not us, we’re not that bad, because…” Let them have their say. Nothing wrong with that. Let them hoist themselves on their own petard.
LeafByNiggle said:
As for LifeSite itself, it is problematic when they choose to set themselves up as judge over the hierarchy with their database of what they call “faithful shepherds” which apparently are those clergy who agree with their specific focus of issues. It is one thing to criticize the laity for not following Catholic teaching. It is quite another to accuse a significant portion of the clergy too for not preaching the way LifeSite thinks they should. I view LifeSite as nothing more than a political interest group. They have no official charter from the Church. They have some priests as members, but as a group that are totally unofficial. And I would add, they are destructive to the unity of Church by trying to divide the clergy into “faithful shepherds” and “unfaithful shepherds”. That is shameful, and it colors everything else good they might have to say.
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And to this, too, I would echo the same sentiment — “let them have their say”.




I took a brief spin through this website and can’t see a thing in the world wrong with it. Their “scorecard” on Bishop Jugis of Charlotte NC illustrates the reasons I am toying with relocating to this diocese with my son when he turns 18 and custody is no longer an issue. (Possibly buy a modest house there and rent it out until then, earning a good ROI in the meantime, while property values continue to go up?)

That we had such a resource in the 1960s and 1970s when all the shenanigans were going on!
 
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And to this, too, I would echo the same sentiment — “let them have their say”.
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I took a brief spin through this website and can’t see a thing in the world wrong with it.
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As a political interest group it is no different than Black Lives Matter or Americans for Prosperity. I have no interest in censoring them or shutting them down. They are entitled to their right of free speech. I just want everyone to realize they do not represent any official part of the Catholic Church, and therefore have no authoritative standing. They are just another political action committee masquerading as Catholic religious leaders.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
And to this, too, I would echo the same sentiment — “let them have their say”.
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I took a brief spin through this website and can’t see a thing in the world wrong with it.
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I wholeheartedly support “Black Lives Matter” (keeping in mind that ALL lives matter!) and I don’t know anything about the other group, to have an opinion on it.

I don’t think anyone is under the impression that Faithful Shepherds “represents any official part of the Catholic Church”, nor that they are “Catholic religious leaders”. Could anyone think that a website that highlights both the good and the bad among bishops’ stances has any official status? Does the USCCB, for instance, provide this sort of information? It is ludicrous even to think of it.

And as far as the “right of free speech”, yes, that is granted by the US Constitution, and was agreed upon by a college of post-Enlightenment scholars and patriots (few of whom were Catholic), and I am glad it is in the Constitution. It is a civil right, but it is not a God-given right. As Father Vincent Miceli of happy memory said, a “right” is a claim upon a moral good. We have the obligation to use our speech unto the salvation of souls and to give greater glory to Almighty God, but we have no “right” to use speech in any way we see fit. Catholics and other Christians would do well to remember this.
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LeafByNiggle said:
I know of no politician who is “calling for abortion.” I know plenty that want to allow abortion.
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There is (conceivably) an argument to justify voting for a pro-abortion politician, but this isn’t it. This would be like justifying politicians who voted to allow a “Purge” night. They wouldn’t be actually calling for murders, just allowing it. We have just become so accustomed to abortions that we no longer consider them all that shocking.
 
Voting in U.S. is tricky. Here’s why.

Vote for Democrat Agenda, is a vote for abortion and the vote is a sin.

Vote for Republic Agenda, is a vote for a system of privilege and moral segregation of society.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
I know of no politician who is “calling for abortion.” I know plenty that want to allow abortion.
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There is (conceivably) an argument to justify voting for a pro-abortion politician, but this isn’t it.
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I wasn’t even making that argument with that observation. I was just pointing out a problem with the statement I quoted.
 
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Bon_Croix said:
Voting in U.S. is tricky. Here’s why.

Vote for Democrat Agenda, is a vote for abortion and the vote is a sin.

Vote for Republic Agenda, is a vote for a system of privilege and moral segregation of society.
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That supporting abortion is a sin (according to the church) is a fact. That Republicans support privilege and segregation is an opinion, and one not closely aligned with reality. In any event, there is no disagreement about the truth of the former.
 
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