Why do most protestants reject the deuterocanonical books?

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tgGodsway said:
Sure Minks. What did the Apostles teach concerning the believer after they leave this earth? This is the question. Catholic teaching tells us most of them go to a place called Purgatory.

There isn’t even an elusion to such an idea among the inner circle of Apostles and Christ. When it came to eternal life, Jesus said it this way: "He who hears my word and believes him who sent ME, has eternal life and does not come into (a sinner’s) judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24.

Hence eternal life is already possessed when you believe in Jesus. The same can be said of the thief on the cross, and also the words of the Apostle Paul who did not anticipate any such idea of purgatory when He said, “Yes we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” 2 Cor. 5:8.

In answer to the question: What must I do to be saved, Paul said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts. 16:31. Notice what he didn’t say: He didn’t say, believe and confess your sins to a priest, do penance, or said anything about purgatory.

Peter the alleged founder of the CC declared, "Christ also suffered for sins ONCE, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God. (1st. Pet. 3:18.) Hence we cannot be made to suffer for that sin a second time. His suffering was sufficient and therefore supreme. Nor can God remember our sins, see Hebrews 10:17.

There are many more passages all pointing away for this idea of purgatory by the first-hand witnesses to the resurrection.
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If you choose to spurn the Biblical references to purification of your soul before entering heaven, that’s your call . . . and your soul that is at stake.
If you choose to ignore the Church set up to Christ’s specifications, that, too, is your choice. Since you apparently think Christ was joking when He told Peter about binding and loosing here on earth and about forgiving or retaining sins, it would be interesting to hear how loudly you laugh at Christ on your judgment day. Good luck with that.
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Wow Minks… you sound judgmental. Why? Also… you are trying to speak for me. I do not consider, in any way, anything Jesus said as some kind of a joke. Actually I take Him at His Word. Thirdly, I too am a living stone in the Church and the Holy Spirit is alive in me too, …

But I pray only blessings to you and God’s rich favor.
 
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Minks:
So you’re trying to make us believe that OUR apostles, who walked with Christ, passed down to us sloppy interpretation?
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No, not there interpretation, … just yours, … with all respect!
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Have it your way—and try to remember that it’s been your own free will choice—on your judgment day.
 
Minks said:
Have it your way—and try to remember that it’s been your own free will choice—on your judgment day.
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Well, let see… I believe Jesus is the Christ the eternal Son, … I believe in one holy Catholic Church… I believe Jesus paid for all of my sins when he died on the cross and said, “it is finished!” I received him as savior and Lord in the seventh grade according to John 1:12. … So when I stand at the judgment seat my concerns will not be about who I am, or where I am going…
 
Phill said:
Why do most protestants reject the deuterocanonical (apocraphal) books? There’s strong evidence that they had been part of the early church’s tradition for 1000 years before Martin Luther and even continued to be included until 1825. I’m not really looking for a catholic vs protestant debate, im just curious of everyone’s opinions.
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@Phill —-Phill, unless people are purposefully studying the deuterocanonical books, I think they rarely think about them at all, and when they do, they mainly think about them only if they hear them mentioned, pretty much accepting what they hear.

The world’s too fast and sleep’s too short. Work, school, family, errands, sports, laundry, meals, housework, mowing the yard, visiting a sick friend, crowding a stop at the funeral home into an already too-tight schedule—all these claims on our lives and I didn’t even mention helping the kids with homework or any fun time or going to Church.

Since the DCs are seldom seen in any Bible now, I believe that they’re going to slide farther away in terms of importance, except to Biblical scholars, whether academic or self-styled.

It’s been an interesting question, though! 😀
 
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Minks:
Have it your way—and try to remember that it’s been your own free will choice—on your judgment day.
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Well, let see… I believe Jesus is the Christ the eternal Son, … I believe in one holy Catholic Church… I believe Jesus paid for all of my sins when he died on the cross and said, “it is finished!” I received him as savior and Lord in the seventh grade according to John 1:12. … So when I stand at the judgment seat my concerns will not be about who I am, or where I am going…
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Good luck with that approach!
 
tgGodsway said:
The problem is that you and others begin with the false premise that the CC is infallible and can never make a doctrinal mistake.
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Rather, the “problem”, is that I take God at His Word and I don’t conflate “infallibility” with “impeccability”.
 
Did Christ personally breathe on you and give you the authority to forgive or retain sins?
 
JonNC said:
How many children do you suspect heard this phrase, “reject the deuterocanonical books” in Sunday school? I was raised by a Lutheran pastor and never once heard it
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At what age did you begin learning what books are in the Bible? How old were you when you could have told someone they were wrong if they said that the Gospel of Mary was in it?
 
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neophyte said:
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JonNC:
How many children do you suspect heard this phrase, “reject the deuterocanonical books” in Sunday school? I was raised by a Lutheran pastor and never once heard it
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At what age did you begin learning what books are in the Bible? How old were you when you could have told someone they were wrong if they said that the Gospel of Mary was in it?
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That’s a different question than being taught to reject. When were you taught that the Gospel of Mary was rejected?
Children are typically taught what is in, according to their tradition, not what is not
 
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JonNC said:
That’s a different question than being taught to reject. When were you taught that the Gospel of Mary was rejected?
Children are typically taught what is in, according to their tradition, not what is not
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You’re kidding, right? That’s a silly objection. Do you really think that being taught from an early age that the Bible contains a specific list of books, is somehow different from being taught to reject the idea that it contains other books that aren’t on the list?
 
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neophyte said:
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JonNC:
That’s a different question than being taught to reject. When were you taught that the Gospel of Mary was rejected?
Children are typically taught what is in, according to their tradition, not what is not
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You’re kidding, right? That’s a silly objection. Do you really think that being taught from an early age that the Bible contains a specific list of books, is somehow different from being taught to reject the idea that it contains other books that aren’t on the list?
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It obviously is. I was never taught to reject Tobit. Teaching someone to reject something is clearly not the same as teaching nothing about it.
 
JonNC said:
It obviously is. I was never taught to reject Tobit. Teaching someone to reject something is clearly not the same as teaching nothing about it.
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So you weren’t taught that the Bible contains only those specific books? That’s really bizarre. Someone could have told you that some random ancient book was in the Bible, and you wouldn’t have known better unless you had specifically been told that that book wasn’t in it?

Nonsense.
 
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neophyte said:
So you weren’t taught that the Bible contains only those specific books? That’s really bizarre. Someone could have told you that some random ancient book was in the Bible, and you wouldn’t have known better unless you had specifically been told that that book wasn’t in it?
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I wasn’t taught as a child to reject the DC books. That’s the ridiculous accusation you made. I wasn’t told as a child what books weren’t in the Bible. Now, unless you were in the same Sunday School classrooms with me, you wouldn’t know, would you?

As an adult, in college, the Lutheran understanding of the various books of scripture, including the DC’s was discussed.
That’s an adult discussion.
Some Catholics think “Protestants” spend lots of time bashing Catholic views. That wasn’t my experience. In fact, I heard more criticism of other Protestants.
 
JonNC said:
I wasn’t taught as a child to reject the DC books.
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But you were taught that the Bible had a specific number of books, and if someone had told you that some other book (e.g., Tobit or the Gospel of Mary) was in the list you would have said “no it’s not”.

Teaching people that “this list includes these items, and only these items”, is the same as teaching them to reject the idea that items that aren’t in the list actually are in it. You might as well wonder why every sixth grader will reject the idea that there’s such a thing as the month of Krtrifflewhig.
 
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Thank you for your thoughtful response. It seem that you recognize the complexity of this issue in history.
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I think it mainly has to do with that the pre reformation Church didn’t hold on to scripture as being the sole authority like Protestants do.
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I would respectfully disagree with you on some points on this. First, instead of accepting the Scripture as the sole authority, Protestant uses Scripture as the final court of appeal in the Christian faith. We accept any tradition and council decision that are consistent with the Word of God. They are very helpful in clarifying doctrines whereas the Scripture only implicitly affirm it. The most prominent example is, of course, the council of Nicea where the Nicene creed was formulated to defend the divinity of Christ. As I said before, the Apocrypha, while deemed uninspired by Protestants, still contain usefulness for the church.

Secondly, while I agree that pre-Reformation church do not use the Scripture as the final authority, nevertheless, some Church Fathers insist that it should be so. I can provide quotes if you request.

I appreciate your response. God bless.
 
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again, you never answered my question earlier, what kind of destruction is Matthew speaking of here? And second, can someone who is destroyed because they are on the wide and broad road have eternal life with God?
And to add on the latter question, does the word eternal have to preface the word destruction or saved for it to mean that it is eternal? Or can the word saved/destruction be used without that preface and still mean eternal?
 
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