Why do Muslims accept Adam as a prophet?

[imasinner]

What exactly did he prophesise according to the Quran? Or Abraham, Lot and Moses for that matter? It is very difficult to stay interested in reading the Quran being tedious and disjointed in many places but I would like to know what do Muslims know of these prophets without having to rely on our “corrupted” Bible or the Torah?

 

[Reuben_J]

What exactly did he prophesise according to the Quran? Or Abraham, Lot and Moses for that matter? It is very difficult to stay interested in reading the **Quran being tedious and disjointed in many places **but I would like to know what do Muslims know of these prophets without having to rely on our “corrupted” Bible or the Torah?

Just between the two of us, I am more inclined to think it is the Quran that was corrupted originally even before it was written into words.

 

[Eucharisted]

All the quranic stories about the prophets are either lifted from the Bible or from heretical writings, so without the Bible, most of the stories in the Qu’ran fall on their faces, and, without the heretical writings, a lot of what Mohammed taught falls on its face.

 

[MACHIU]

Adam is not a prophet in Islam.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam#Prophets_and_messengers_in_the_Qur.27an
Please bear in mind that wikipedia has a very liberal editing rule i.e. anyone can edit. So, as I am not a Muslim, I am not even sure if the information in the link is true.

God Bless

 

[Eucharisted]

The Original Sources of the Qu’ran: answering-islam.org/Books/Tisdall/Sources/index.htm

How to Discuss Islam with Muslims: sillyallah.com

 

[imasinner]

Just between the two of us, I am more inclined to think it is the Quran that was corrupted originally even before it was written into words.

I regret including my opinion of the Quran and it doesn’t help that you highlighted it for others but I do hope Muslims will disregard it and respond nevertheless.

I tend to think that the Quran was corrupted for the better making it less violent and illogical than originally worded by Mohammad, but that is just my opinion so pls don’t spread it

 

[elwill]

I regret including my opinion of the Quran and it doesn’t help that you highlighted it for others but I do hope Muslims will disregard it and respond nevertheless.

I tend to think that the Quran was corrupted for the better making it less violent and illogical than originally worded by Mohammad, but that is just my opinion so pls don’t spread it

i’m not sure from your request
are you wnna to know the story of adam (pbuh) as it was stated in quran ?

 

[imasinner]

i’m not sure from your request
are you wnna to know the story of adam (pbuh) as it was stated in quran ?

Hi elwill,

A belated welcome to CAF

I would like to know why Adam is considered a prophet in Islam according to the Quran and what it is he prophesised and to whom. Without considering the Bible or the Torah what do actually know of Adam through the Quran. Muslims consistently claim how they love all the prophets equally but I wonder how much they really know about all these prophets in order to love them as much as they claim.

 

[Eucharisted]

islam101.net/islamic-history-mainmenu-30/38-earlier-prophets/121-prophet-adam.html

The article is only as accurate as far as Islam’s understanding of Adam. Everything else - scientific claims, meaning of Adam’s name, etc. - is false.

 

[benedicter]

It might be helpful to realise that Islam has significantly more prophets than Judaism and Christianity. Many hundreds of them.

It is also important to realise that ALL human beings are born Muslim. From the time of Adam and Eve - who were Muslim. Everyone is a Muslim. Those who do not profess Islam have either rejected it or do not know the truth of what they are.

Simply you don’t convert to Islam you revert to Islam.

So Adam wasn’t ‘selected’ from history and inserted into Islam. All people back to Adam were Muslims, so the fact he was Muslim is not singularly different. Perhaps he is in there to claim the definitive beginning. Islam is a revisionist religion. Virtually nothing of the prophets that have same or similar names to Christian or Judaism have anything else in common. They all were preaching Islam for a start. I think that is a pretty big difference!

I don’t think it is at all important whether Adam is called a prophet - for the number they have. Perhaps because he is the first man. There is a lot in the Islamic religion that is stated but does not have a ‘theology’ like the virgin birth. Just a fact, no theology just a miracle.

Two singularly important pieces of theology missing in the Muslim Adam. He is not created in the image of God, he is just created. Secondly, when he is sent out of the Garden he is just an ‘ordinary man’. There is no connotation of original sin or manifest turning from God. Sin in Islam is a ‘spot’ you rub off. Huge difference in viewing the dignity of man ‘in the image of God’ and issues of penitence, forgiveness etc not too deep.

 

[hamba2han]

For those who are claiming that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) copied stories from the Bible, then they really do need to explain instances like the following where the Bible does not get it quite right but the Qur’an, on the other hand, gets it absolutely spot on.

THE WORD “PHARAOH” IN THE QUR’AN

In the Old Testament, the Egyptian ruler during the period of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and Prophet Joseph (pbuh) are named “Pharaoh”. However, this title was actually employed after the eras in which these two Prophets lived.

While addressing the Egyptian ruler at the time of Prophet Joseph (pbuh), the word “Al-Malik” in Arabic is used in the Qur’an: It refers to a ruler, king or sultan:

The King said, ‘Bring him to me straight away!’… (Qur’an, 12:50)

The ruler of Egypt in the time of the Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to as “Pharaoh”. This distinction in the Qur’an is not made in the Old and New Testaments nor by Jewish historians. In the Bible, the word “Pharaoh” is used, in every reference to an Egyptian monarch. On the other hand, the Qur’an is far more concise and accurate in the terminology it employs.

The use of the word “Pharaoh” in Egyptian history belongs only to the late period. This particular title began to be employed in the 14th century B.C., during the reign of Amenhotep IV. The Prophet Joseph (pbuh) lived at least 200 years before that time.

The Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the word “Pharaoh” was a title of respect used from the New Kingdom (beginning with the 18th dynasty; B.C. 1539-1292) until the 22nd dynasty (B.C. 945-730), after which this term of address became the title of the king. Further information on this subject comes from the Academic American Encyclopaedia, which states that the title of Pharaoh began to be used in the New Kingdom.

As we have seen, the use of the word “Pharaoh” dates from a specific period in history. For that reason, the fact that the Qur’an distinguishes between the different Egyptian titles in different Egyptian eras is yet another proof that the Qur’an is the verbatim Speech of Allah.

**In this way We give you news of what has gone before and We have given you a reminder direct from Us. Those who turn away from it will bear a heavy burden on the Day of Rising. ** … (Qur’an, 20:99-100)

And so, if indeed the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) copied from the Bible, then I would say that he did a really rotten job of it because it is just unimaginable that someone would copy a mistake and after knowingly and intentionally corrected that mistake, would then have his followers wait a thousand or so years for future scholars to eventually discover the truth of the “corrections” that he made to all the factual errors that he had supposedly copied from the Bible.

 

[Eucharisted]

For those who are claiming that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) copied stories from the Bible, then they really do need to explain instances like the following where the Bible does not get it quite right but the Qur’an, on the other hand, gets it absolutely spot on.

THE WORD “PHARAOH” IN THE QUR’AN

In the Old Testament, the Egyptian ruler during the period of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and Prophet Joseph (pbuh) are named “Pharaoh”. However, this title was actually employed after the eras in which these two Prophets lived.

While addressing the Egyptian ruler at the time of Prophet Joseph (pbuh), the word “Al-Malik” in Arabic is used in the Qur’an: It refers to a ruler, king or sultan:

The King said, ‘Bring him to me straight away!’… (Qur’an, 12:50)

The ruler of Egypt in the time of the Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to as “Pharaoh”. This distinction in the Qur’an is not made in the Old and New Testaments nor by Jewish historians. In the Bible, the word “Pharaoh” is used, in every reference to an Egyptian monarch. On the other hand, the Qur’an is far more concise and accurate in the terminology it employs.

The use of the word “Pharaoh” in Egyptian history belongs only to the late period. This particular title began to be employed in the 14th century B.C., during the reign of Amenhotep IV. The Prophet Joseph (pbuh) lived at least 200 years before that time.

The Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the word “Pharaoh” was a title of respect used from the New Kingdom (beginning with the 18th dynasty; B.C. 1539-1292) until the 22nd dynasty (B.C. 945-730), after which this term of address became the title of the king. Further information on this subject comes from the Academic American Encyclopaedia, which states that the title of Pharaoh began to be used in the New Kingdom.

As we have seen, the use of the word “Pharaoh” dates from a specific period in history. For that reason, the fact that the Qur’an distinguishes between the different Egyptian titles in different Egyptian eras is yet another proof that the Qur’an is the verbatim Speech of Allah.

**In this way We give you news of what has gone before and We have given you a reminder direct from Us. Those who turn away from it will bear a heavy burden on the Day of Rising. ** … (Qur’an, 20:99-100)

And so, if indeed the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) copied from the Bible, then I would say that he did a really rotten job of it because it is just unimaginable that someone would copy a mistake and after knowingly and intentionally corrected that mistake, would then have his followers wait a thousand or so years for future scholars to eventually discover the truth of the “corrections” that he made to all the factual errors that he had supposedly copied from the Bible.

Cool story, bro.

By the way, you’re using the appeal to novelty fallacy. Your whole argument is invalid.

 

[dolphinlove]

For those who are claiming that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) copied stories from the Bible, then they really do need to explain instances like the following where the Bible does not get it quite right but the Qur’an, on the other hand, gets it absolutely spot on.

THE WORD “PHARAOH” IN THE QUR’AN

In the Old Testament, the Egyptian ruler during the period of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and Prophet Joseph (pbuh) are named “Pharaoh”. However, this title was actually employed after the eras in which these two Prophets lived.

While addressing the Egyptian ruler at the time of Prophet Joseph (pbuh), the word “Al-Malik” in Arabic is used in the Qur’an: It refers to a ruler, king or sultan:

The King said, ‘Bring him to me straight away!’… (Qur’an, 12:50)

The ruler of Egypt in the time of the Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to as “Pharaoh”. This distinction in the Qur’an is not made in the Old and New Testaments nor by Jewish historians. In the Bible, the word “Pharaoh” is used, in every reference to an Egyptian monarch. On the other hand, the Qur’an is far more concise and accurate in the terminology it employs.

The use of the word “Pharaoh” in Egyptian history belongs only to the late period. This particular title began to be employed in the 14th century B.C., during the reign of Amenhotep IV. The Prophet Joseph (pbuh) lived at least 200 years before that time.

The Encyclopaedia Britannica says that the word “Pharaoh” was a title of respect used from the New Kingdom (beginning with the 18th dynasty; B.C. 1539-1292) until the 22nd dynasty (B.C. 945-730), after which this term of address became the title of the king. Further information on this subject comes from the Academic American Encyclopaedia, which states that the title of Pharaoh began to be used in the New Kingdom.

As we have seen, the use of the word “Pharaoh” dates from a specific period in history. For that reason, the fact that the Qur’an distinguishes between the different Egyptian titles in different Egyptian eras is yet another proof that the Qur’an is the verbatim Speech of Allah.

**In this way We give you news of what has gone before and We have given you a reminder direct from Us. Those who turn away from it will bear a heavy burden on the Day of Rising. ** … (Qur’an, 20:99-100)

And so, if indeed the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) copied from the Bible, then I would say that he did a really rotten job of it because it is just unimaginable that someone would copy a mistake and after knowingly and intentionally corrected that mistake, would then have his followers wait a thousand or so years for future scholars to eventually discover the truth of the “corrections” that he made to all the factual errors that he had supposedly copied from the Bible.

And Hammy does it again, shooting himself in the foot, which foot did you shoot this time, the left or right, or do you have any feet left with the amount of times you have done this??

 

[inJESUS]

What exactly did he prophesise according to the Quran? Or Abraham, Lot and Moses for that matter? It is very difficult to stay interested in reading the Quran being tedious and **disjointed in many places **but I would like to know what do Muslims know of these prophets without having to rely on our “corrupted” Bible or the Torah?

but this is Allah’s masterpiece

 

[tomarin]

but this is Allah’s masterpiece

It may not be Allah’s masterpiece, but it is the masterpiece of the Arabic language by all accounts. I don’t see any reason for you to be snide about other people’s scriptures.

 

[inJESUS]

It may not be Allah’s masterpiece, but it is the

masterpiece of the Arabic language by all accounts. says who?

I don’t see any reason for you to be snide about other people’s scriptures.

 

[tomarin]

says who?

I would say just about any literary scholar or person knowledgable about the Middle East would agree with the statement “the Qu’ran is the greatest literary work in Arabic”.

any objective reading of the book yields to the same conclusion…have you read it?

Every one who reads it objectively comes to the conclusion that it is not a literary masterpiece? No that’s simply not true.

I haven’t read it in Arabic, I’ve only read translations. I’ve listened to recitations of an ayat here or there.

 

[inJESUS]

I would say just about any literary scholar or person knowledgable about the Middle East would agree with the statement “the Qu’ran is the greatest literary work in Arabic”.

Maybe you mean most *Islamic * preachers.

Every one who reads it objectively comes to the conclusion that it is not a literary masterpiece? No that’s simply not true.

 

[tomarin]

Maybe you mean most *Islamic * preachers.

No, I mean most literary scholars, not necessarily Muslims. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

nop, i meant everyone who reads it comes to the conclusion that it is a disjointed peace of writing.

I don’t think that disqualifies it from being literature of a very high standard, at least compared to the rest of Arabic literature.

 

[dolphinlove]

No, I mean most literary scholars, not necessarily Muslims. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

I don’t think that disqualifies it from being literature of a very high standard, at least compared to the rest of Arabic literature.

Tomarin, Do you speak arabic? Because InJesus does, and knows what he is talking about…