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dzheremi
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I agree, Hamba2han. So cut out all this “…and Muhammad is his messenger” **** and all other references to anything Muhammad taught or did and then you can lecture us on how to pray and what is the right religion.
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hamba2han
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Muslims worship the Lord that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) regularly and religiously prostrated to.
This is just one of the many reasons why it is easy for Muslims to accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) since this is what he taught his followers.
Do Christians worship the Lord that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) regularly and religiously prostrated to?
This is just one of the many reasons why it is easy for Muslims to accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) since this is what he taught his followers.
Do Christians worship the Lord that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) regularly and religiously prostrated to?
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ralphinal
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You first, Hamba. Do Muslims address God as “Our Father?”
Did Muhammed address God as “Our Father?”
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dzheremi
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I can’t really think of a nice way to say this…that’s a total crock.
So, in other words, Muhammad said it so you believe it? That’s a pretty low standard by which to judge the truth of a claim. It doesn’t take anything to claim something. It takes some evidence to BACK UP a claim. Muhammad had no such evidence. He performed no miracle, so Muslims have to resort to saying that the Qur’an is his miracle, which obviously noone who isn’t already Muslim accepts as a miracle. So this doesn’t really answer the question. The Biblical prophets actually DID things to prove their claims. What did Muhammad do but fight in wars, kill people, enslave societies, and bring all of Arabia under his political rule? How is any of that from God?
I’m sure you’ll get a wide variety of responses to this, but from my perspective: No. :nope:
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Byzantine_Wolf
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The easiest way to avoid answering a question is to change the subject. This is a logical fallacy known as a non-sequitor, where you change the topic to something that’s semi-related but irrelevant. Unfortunately many Muslims on the internet are fond of using it.
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cthulhubryan
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It is not the Method of prayers that matters but the nature of the Person being prayed to. If that Person is the God of the Universe as is true in Christian prayers, then the fact that we pray to God counts more than our position or even our ability to make nicely worded prayers for the Bible says that our prayers and merely moaning and groan that the Holy Spirit interprets for us.
Just because one is supine, doesn’t mean that their prayers are divine.
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Verisimilitude
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Moslems worship the speaker of the quran, which is not the Lord God. Mohammed did not know who/what first molested and frightened him.
Mohammed taught killing and stealing for god allah of the Koran is just,
Mohammed was not a prophet of God, and what he says about God is false. Besides being bad liturature, endlessly repetative and self serving prose there is only one truth in it and is said by the true speaker of the Quran:
The pardox of the Quran is such that it presents itself as true:
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staffsgt7
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What tactic?
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Byzantine_Wolf
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I think they’re referring to the use of the non-sequitor.
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kempo1
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First of all i am personally tired of your little reference to our God as prophet, second of all its pretty obvious to a true believer( as i am)that your god and MyGOD are not the same. My God is so mighty i have to hit my knees before him.
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KathleenGee
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Out of my feminine mystic, I do not want to put my bottom up in the air to pray for others to see. To prostrate on the floor yes, but in total privacy… in the manner Jesus said…
‘When you pray…go to your room/closet and shut the door, and pray to the Father…’ He also condemned people praying in public with long prayers, certain clothes and tassels for everyone to see.
So here is another example that we believe in the one true Christ, not the gnostic of Muhammed.
‘When you pray…go to your room/closet and shut the door, and pray to the Father…’ He also condemned people praying in public with long prayers, certain clothes and tassels for everyone to see.
So here is another example that we believe in the one true Christ, not the gnostic of Muhammed.
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Mosacked
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That’s why Jesus wasted no time on people who do not take well to the truth. He knows already that its a total waste of time. Better to spend it teaching the apostles and those who can and will embrace the truth.
There’s this joke for the muslims, and I wonder if they understand this…its in reference to the circular reasoning they use for the quran, muhammad & allah:
To the Muslim: - " So, if your mother says you are batman and you say your mother is wonderwoman, then both of you must be marvel superheroes"
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Most Orthodox guides on prostration suggest women remember to wear fairly long and modest skirts…
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imkingdad
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The Same OT you use here also has a clear & distinct passage on how to Identify a true Prophet of God. Too Bad Mohammad does not measure up to this standard. If you use the OT expect to be Chastised by it also. .
The basic qualification was that he had to receive revelations from God. In order to prove to others that he was receiving these revelations, it was customary for people to ask him for signs—i.e., miracles that could be seen or predictions of near-future events that could be verified. If these were forthcoming, people had reason to take seriously his claim to be receiving divine revelations.
Unfortunately Mohammad had none. Using the same OT we can Prove that He was nothing but a man that made claims but could do nothing that prophets before him did.
In short he was a fraud. He was long since dead when the earliest remnants of The Quran & Hadiff were being written by those that sought to lay claim to his heritage & lands. Money-grubbers, Sinners of the lowest order…
Perhaps you fine Muslims should try Praying the Prayer that your Prophet Jesus Gave you directly from God “Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed by thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, On Earth as it is in Heaven, Give us this Day are Daily Bread & Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us, & Lead us not into temptation but deliver Us from evil” Amen
Reflect upon that Prayer. Esp. that Forgiveness section Afterall, you are required to Read & Honor & Obey all the Prophets! Why Not Practice what u preach?
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ZAKI
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I also suggest that instead of putting the stupidity of muslim posters in the limelight you do that to your fellow christians in this thread. (such as muslims worshipping Muhammed and other lies hurled at the muslim religion.
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Mosacked
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ZAKI, Think. If someone tells you that the king has spoken to him to instruct you to do things, but you yourself cannot and will never see the ‘king’ and everything the person claims he says comes from the ‘king’ which you a peasant don’t know if he is telling the truth, then what difference is it from speaking to the ‘virtual’ king (if it exists) and this man???
NO DIFFERENCE. Since you believe the man, then, that man really represents the ‘king’.
So, it is not wrong for people to claim that muslims are really worshipping muhammad.
Perhaps the following conversation could help put things into perspective on why non-muslims see muslims going around in circles with their islamic ‘logic’.
Kafir: Why do you believe in allah?
Muslim: Cos Muhammad says allah is the one & greatest deity.
Kafir: Why do you believe in Muhammad?
Muslim: Cos allah says Muhammad is the greatest prophet
Kafir: Oh~ I see. So, if your mother says you are batman and you say she is wonderwoman, then both of you must be superheroes?
Muslim:…eh….
Kafir: No, seriously…Why do you believe in the quran?
Muslim: Cos it’s a miracle
Kafir: How do you know it’s a miracle?
Muslim: Cos its written in poetic Arabic and by an illiterate called muhammad
Kafir: But its proven that written Arabic wasn’t available during muhammad’s time.
Muslim: Are you telling me Muhammad didn’t know Arabic?
Kafir: Didn’t you just say he’s illiterate??? Well, I’m saying it could not be WRITTEN in Arabic.
Muslim: So, what was it written in? You tell Muslim.
Kafir: You asking me?..how would I know?
Muslim: But there’s only ONE version of the quran in the entire world isn’t that a miracle?!
Kafir: Harry Potter is also one version, is that a miracle too?
Muslim: Well eh… but we have hadiths to support what we say!
Kafir: You mean the Tabari, Muslim & Ishaq hadeeths?
Muslim: Yes, they support our quran.
Kafir: But they also say Muhammad killed people, raped women, robbed & lied and later poisoned to death.
Muslim: Huh?…eh…those are corrupted.
Kafir: So, which part of the hadiths are corrupted and which is not?
Muslim: Well, we don’t know. As long as it doesn’t correspond or support the quranic claims we reject.
Kafir: I see, I guess that explains why you have only 1 version…you just reject the rest.
Muslim: No, we don’t reject them totally, some parts of it is correct.
Kafir: Which part? The part on the lying, murdering, robbing, raping & pedophilia?
Muslim: No, those are corrupted. Muhammad is a good man.
Kafir: I see, you reject all records of the man’s shames and then call him good. That’s interesting. I guess anybody can sleep in the sewer once they have washed it clean.
Muslim: Are you insulting Islam?!
Kafir: No, no…just an analogy.
Muslim: duh~
Kafir: Why did Muhammad have sex with biologically underaged ayesha?
Muslim: Cos she’s his wife! and most people that time marry young.
Kafir: They do?! So, who else married 6 year olds at that time?
Muslim: NONE…… of your business. Anyway they’re married okay?
Kafir: Sex, even if she’s underaged?
Muslim: Yes.
Kafir: What if she’s a 3 years old wife, can he have sex with her?
Muslim: …sure if he wants to…allah can make her bigger.
Kafir: I see…that’s interesting…but doesn’t that make islam’s allah the greatest PIMP?
Muslim: ….hic~
Muslim: Hey, do you know that the bible speaks of Muhammad?
Kafir: But it says that there are no more prophets after John the Baptist in Luke 16:16.
Muslim: The bible is corrupted
Kafir: So you’re using a corrupted thing to support yourself?
Muslim: Well…we believe it is corrupted
Kafir: Which part?
Muslim: We don’t know exactly…but as long as it doesn’t fit with us its considered corrupted.
Kafir: But you still claim it supports your religion…Isn’t that like saying ‘hey, its faeces…then you stuff it right into your mouth’?
Muslim: …For goodness sake can you just ACCEPT it as supporting islam???!
Kafir: I can’t!…I have a brain!
Muslim: Don’t you know that our prophet Muhammad is a greater prophet even than Jesus?
Kafir: Really? Why then is Jesus returning from the skies but Muhammad left here to rot?
Muslim: How do you know he is rotting?
Kafir: If he’s not rotting why do you guys put him in a coffin?
Muslim: Well, not everything rots in a coffin.
Kafir: What doesn’t?
Muslim:….eh….the air!
Kafir: So, where is your allah? Historians say it’s the one sitting in the Ka’aba
Muslim: NOOO….allah is everywhere…and you will get punished for insulting allah!!!
Kafir: I see…will allah kill me for insulting?
Muslim: Yes!..
Kafir: So who’s going to pull the trigger?
Muslim: Somebody… Our mujahidins will get you very soon!
Kafir: I thought you just said allah will do the killing?
Muslim: …aaaahh @#$@#!!!
BANG!…the Muslim Commits Suicide….as he actualises the ultimate destination of Islam.
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ZAKI
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Your dialogue between the kafir and muslim was quite funny but very pointless.
The same could be said about christianity though. jesus has come and said that he is god but there is no proof he is. Jesus says that he is king but the peasant doesnt know if he actually is. you listening to the gospels of luke, matthew, etc is similar to what you used at the start. you are reading it-but you dont see the king do you? so therefore (using ur logic) u r worshipping the gospels because u are believing what they say.
It is a matter of faith. Every religious person has it.
Kafir: Why do you believe in Jesus being god?
christian: Cos that is what the gospels say.
Kafir: Why do you believe in the gospels?
christian: Cos in christianity I am told to heed the word’s of the bible.
Kafir: Oh~ I see. So, if your mother says you are batman and you say she is wonderwoman, then both of you must be superheroes?
christian:…eh….
etc etc etc. i am not bothered to write down a christian version of what you have written and nor am I bothered to write back on your crazy (stereotypical) points on islam as a former muslim myself.
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The same could be said about christianity though. jesus has come and said that he is god but there is no proof he is. Jesus says that he is king but the peasant doesnt know if he actually is. you listening to the gospels of luke, matthew, etc is similar to what you used at the start. you are reading it-but you dont see the king do you? so therefore (using ur logic) u r worshipping the gospels because u are believing what they say.
It is a matter of faith. Every religious person has it.
Kafir: Why do you believe in Jesus being god?
christian: Cos that is what the gospels say.
Kafir: Why do you believe in the gospels?
christian: Cos in christianity I am told to heed the word’s of the bible.
Kafir: Oh~ I see. So, if your mother says you are batman and you say she is wonderwoman, then both of you must be superheroes?
christian:…eh….
etc etc etc. i am not bothered to write down a christian version of what you have written and nor am I bothered to write back on your crazy (stereotypical) points on islam as a former muslim myself.
cya later
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Mosacked
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ZAKI, those are not mere stereotypical points, it explains why muslims will never be able to escape the clutches of islam if they remain blind to its ‘circular’ reasonings.
The biggest difference between Jesus and Muhammad is this…
1 - Jesus could perform great miracles in public with thousands of witnesses. Muhammad couldn’t, he only claimed he did.
2 - Jesus had God speaking to Him through the clouds in public. Muhammad hid in cave alone.
3 - Jesus killed nobody, saved many and taught goodness. Muhammad led massacres and was caught for lying.
4 - Jesus teaches to love others as yourself. Muhammad taught to kill those who went against his faith.
5 - Jesus is returning from the skies. Muhammad is rotting.
Christians believe in the Bible not just because of its claims, but because its teachings are coming true, its prophesies are coming true and most importantly God shows Himself to those who love Him. Its not just pure talk without validity and encouraging its followers to squeeze the button to bomb themselves.
You are free to choose your savior, but be aware of this. You can be sure that if the savior is himself not saved from food poisoning yet frequently supported for sexual escapades with ‘revelations’, as a follower you are not going to get anything better, but similarly be left for dead with empty promises of sex.
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ralphinal
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I am still waiting to see if Muslims and Muhammed followed the Prophet JEsus and pray to God as Father
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Perhaps for the solo scriptura crowd, but for those Christians who have done their research it is far more. One who studies patristics and textual evidence, for example, sees there are many reasons to believe in the validity of the Gospels as historical documents. They also do not “worship” the gospels because we identify it as God’s providence working through man, not the literal word of God - the only literal Word of God is Jesus Christ.
Furthermore, God gave plenty of evidence of His divinity throughout His ministry.
…wha?
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