Why do Muslims Accept Muhammad as prophet?

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Christians should not view prostration to the Lord as a kind of “ritual” that is done only on special occasions… sort of like preparing a turkey dinner for Christmas or Thanksgiving.

Question is → Would Christians really want to prepare a turkey dinner every day of the year??

I don’t think they would want to do this and this is really the point that I am alluding to here i.e. Would Christians really WANT to prostrate to the Lord every time they pray?.. and if they say ‘Yes’, what exactly is stopping them from doing so?

Anyhow, judging from the responses to my earlier post, their answer is clearly ‘No’, they are indeed reluctant to prostrate to the Lord on a regular basis.

And if someone is reluctant to prostrate to their Lord (and this includes some nominal Muslims unfortunately), then they are not likely to understand why Muslims readily accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as our leader.
WAIT…when does prostration determine whether a person is worshipping the true god? I know that the chinese even kneel and prostrate in some of their temples, and these temples contain many idols. Does it mean they are also worshipping the true god?

Whether a person is worshipping the true god is defined only by how god is defined for him/her. For example, if I think god is a crook, then my worship fashions envelop that concept and I will perhaps strive also to be a crooked person. TRUTH is not determined by rituals. It is determined by facts.

And the fact is Jesus rejected any more prophets after John the Baptist in Luke 16:16. So, if anyone calls himself a prophet after these prophets, then that person is a liar. I cannot go to your house and say I am your father’s youngest son when your father already told you in his personal letter that you have no other siblings.

Of course for the crook, there is still a solution to this. The answer lies in rejecting your father as the true father (muslims reject Yahweh the Jewish God as the true God) and saying what he wrote is corrupted (muslims falsely accuse the bible as corrupted).

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Muhammad is considered a prophet because he had the Qur’an. He had the Qur’an because God gave it to home because he was a prophet.

There. Next
 
Muhammad is considered a prophet because he had the Qur’an. He had the Qur’an because God gave it to home because he was a prophet.

There. Next
same with :
Moses is considered a prophet because he had the Torah. He had the Torah because God gave it to him because he was a prophet.
 
same with :
Moses is considered a prophet because he had the Torah. He had the Torah because God gave it to him because he was a prophet.
Nope. Moses was called by God for a role. Over the time that he fulfilled that role, he gave the law to the Isrealites. He was a prophet for the same reason Abraham or Noah were: he was called by God. Moses was not given a book that said that Moses was to be obeyed.
 
Christians should not view prostration to the Lord as a kind of “ritual” that is done only on special occasions… sort of like preparing a turkey dinner for Christmas or Thanksgiving.

Question is → Would Christians really want to prepare a turkey dinner every day of the year??

I don’t think they would want to do this and this is really the point that I am alluding to here i.e. Would Christians really WANT to prostrate to the Lord every time they pray?.. and if they say ‘Yes’, what exactly is stopping them from doing so?

Anyhow, judging from the responses to my earlier post, their answer is clearly ‘No’, they are indeed reluctant to prostrate to the Lord on a regular basis.

And if someone is reluctant to prostrate to their Lord (and this includes some nominal Muslims unfortunately), then they are not likely to understand why Muslims readily accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as our leader.
That is the best example of a non sequiter I’ve ever heard.
And what does Turkey dinner have to do with being Muslim? Does your sect of islam believe in having a turkey dinner every night or something?

But then there is your last paragraph. Some muslims don’t like to prostrate, but I thought that was how you magically accept Muhammad as a prophet, How do those Muslims recognize him without liking prostrations?
 
Nope. Moses was called by God for a role. Over the time that he fulfilled that role, he gave the law to the Isrealites. He was a prophet for the same reason Abraham or Noah were: he was called by God. Moses was not given a book that said that Moses was to be obeyed.
Moses was said to have done a few miracles. The plagues, the parting of the Red Sea, the water from the rock and I will admit I don’t know the whole story from memory. Many people witnessed these miracles.

And Mohammed did nothing except proclaim himself a prophet. He did nothing and even thought at one time that the thing he saw was a devil. It was his first wife who finally told him it was an angel even though she didn’t see it. I think she said what she said to shut him up.
 
Cominghome89, you are doing well. Keep it up please. You are following the ways of the prophets and also the way of your (and our) beloved Jesus.

If you will (repeatedly) cry during the prostration and call your Lord (God) whom Jesus used to call, it is hoped that you will get a message sometime. It is upto God Himself to consider you worthy of His communion. May God bless you with His favors by His Grace and blessings.
No, he was told if he prostrated himself to God he’d magically realize Mohammed is a prophet. That doesn’t seem to be working.
 
Muhammad is considered a prophet because he had the Qur’an. He had the Qur’an because God gave it to home because he was a prophet.

There. Next
Raphinal,

If we use your weird logic, then by that we can also say that Malik Hassan was a true islamic martyr because he slaughtered 13 innocent people in the name of islam’s allah. And he was able to slaughter so many because allah helped him. And because allah had a personal hand in the slaughtering of these 13 innocent people therefore allah must be a terrorist.
  • nobody even knows where the quran came from its not even 100% arabic like what muslims like to claim it is. and nobody knows who muhammad really saw in that dark damp Hira cave. BUT…alot of people knew a voice spoke from heaven when Jesus was baptised at the Jordan river…because they heard it in PUBLIC.
 
Christians should not view prostration to the Lord as a kind of “ritual” that is done only on special occasions… sort of like preparing a turkey dinner for Christmas or Thanksgiving.

Question is → Would Christians really want to prepare a turkey dinner every day of the year??

I don’t think they would want to do this and this is really the point that I am alluding to here i.e. Would Christians really WANT to prostrate to the Lord every time they pray?.. and if they say ‘Yes’, what exactly is stopping them from doing so?

Anyhow, judging from the responses to my earlier post, their answer is clearly ‘No’, they are indeed reluctant to prostrate to the Lord on a regular basis.

And if someone is reluctant to prostrate to their Lord (and this includes some nominal Muslims unfortunately), then they are not likely to understand why Muslims readily accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as our leader.
Isnt hamba hamba moving from the topic? Is it because he is a muslim and its their way off moving from the topic when they dont have answers?

Is it because Christians dont prostrate, that mohammed is the prophet? amusing.
 
Cominghome89, you are doing well. Keep it up please. You are following the ways of the prophets and also the way of your (and our) beloved Jesus.

If you will (repeatedly) cry during the prostration and call your Lord (God) whom Jesus used to call, it is hoped that you will get a message sometime. It is upto God Himself to consider you worthy of His communion. May God bless you with His favors by His Grace and blessings.
Thanks for your well wishes to brother Cominghome89, Planten. In connection with the OP, do you think by prostrating, we will eventually admit Muhammad as a Prophet?
 
Cominghome89, you are doing well. Keep it up please. You are following the ways of the prophets and also the way of your (and our) beloved Jesus.

If you will (repeatedly) cry during the prostration and call your Lord (God) whom Jesus used to call, it is hoped that you will get a message sometime. It is upto God Himself to consider you worthy of His communion. May God bless you with His favors by His Grace and blessings.
Thank you for your kindness and well-wishes. I in fact do shed tears in prayer often, for all that is wrong with the world, for the horrible sins and lack of orthodox (that is right belief, not Orthodox) faith. And I indeed do get messages from God, and I am very happy that I AM in communion with Him, although nobody is truly worthy of this, it is a gift freely given.
No, he was told if he prostrated himself to God he’d magically realize Mohammed is a prophet. That doesn’t seem to be working.
Exactly. This makes me very sad, that Muslims often seem unable to explain what they say on here 😦

I pray that we may all be one. All religions are an attempt to know God and do His will, only one has the fullness of the truth, revealing that God IS love and mercy, manifested in the gift of His Son’s passion.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!

Peace and blessings,
Frank
 
Raphinal,

If we use your weird logic, then by that we can also say that Malik Hassan was a true islamic martyr because he slaughtered 13 innocent people in the name of islam’s allah. And he was able to slaughter so many because allah helped him. And because allah had a personal hand in the slaughtering of these 13 innocent people therefore allah must be a terrorist.
  • nobody even knows where the quran came from its not even 100% arabic like what muslims like to claim it is. and nobody knows who muhammad really saw in that dark damp Hira cave. BUT…alot of people knew a voice spoke from heaven when Jesus was baptised at the Jordan river…because they heard it in PUBLIC.
It is not my logic at all. It is the logic of Islam. Muhammed is a prophet because he had the Qur’an and he had the Qur’an because he was a prophet. This is the reason that any information about how Muhammed committed this sin or that is ruled out up front. Besides, Muhammed taught that no prophet could commit a major sin. Therefore, if he did it, it was not a sin because he was a prophet.

My logic is that he did not come saying “I Am sent me.” He worked no signs or wonders. He showed no mastery of nature or to forgive sin. In other words, Muhammed said he was a prophet but never proved himself to be one
 
Many Eastern Christians do prostrations during prayer. Oddly enough this doesn’t help them believe that Mohammed is a prophet. So that’s obviously incorrect, what else do you have?
Indeed. The priests prostrate before God during liturgy in imitation of the angels, yet when they sit up they don’t suddenly magically think Mohammad is a prophet. That has to be one of the silliest arguments I’ve heard in a long time.

It’d be like if I said Muslims would believe Jesus was divine by doing the sign of the cross when they pray :confused:
And to answer your question,I accept the prophet Mohammed because I accept the message that he received, The Quran.
The question is…why should you accept it? We do not believe every man who comes down from a mountain with a revelation, so why should we follow Mohammad?

As staffsgt7 rightly points out, part of what made a prophet a prophet was the signs they gave. They did things that let the people know who they were. This is why God performed many miracles through Moses such as the rod turning into snakes, the ten plagues, and the parting of the sea - to show who Moses was. The prophecies of men like Isaiah are known to be valid because they all came true - according to OT law, if one single prophesy didn’t come true, that made the person a false prophet and they were to be stoned.

Similarly, the Koran and NT make reference to what came before, but they treat them differently. The NT, for example, is constantly quoting what came before it - Romans 9 alone has 12 OT citations from five different OT books. The Koran, on the other hand, has none. I have heard some Muslims point to one single verse that might vaguely quote the Psalms, but this pales in comparison to the wealth of quotations found through the NT to verify Christ. The Koran, on the other hand, mentions the Gospel and Torah by name, but never once quotes from it. In fact, it accuses the Jews and Christians of changing it or hiding it. Why the sudden change? Why did “God” change His tactics? Why would God always use what came before to give His people strength, and then suddenly basically say, “Just forget that, read this new book.” (in fact, many of Mohammad’s companions taught this way).

The fact is that to believe in Mohammad and the Koran is to enter a world of circular reasoning. You must accept Mohammad at face value and see everything that came before him through the lens of the Koran. This is the purest form of circular logic. The apostles did not hold themselves to a new standard, and they most certainly never accused the Jews of tarnishing their scripture - instead, they used that scripture to prove who they were. Mohammad, on the other hand, cannot do it, and while Muslims try to use a few Bible verses to prove their point, when something contradictory comes along they have to fall back on the “Must be tarnished” excuse. Again, that is circular reasoning. Mohammad cannot be held to standards he himself invented - he must be held to standards of that which came before him.

And in that regard, he fails miserably.
 
My logic is that he did not come saying “I Am sent me.”
Yes “abomination” did… I am abomination sent him
He worked no signs or wonders.
Oh Yes he did again… The people who enjoyed living, those people who disagree with Him, were brought to their death and they remained dead by his sword. Now that’s a sign…

“By their fruits you shall know them… “ Matt. 7:16
He showed no mastery of nature or to forgive sin.
Maybe not of the elements but He has his proficiency in the art of lying, deceit, trickery, dishonesty, treachery to name a few.

He mastered the art of twisting the truth into falsehood.
In other words, Muhammed said he was a prophet but never proved himself to be one
Yes he prove himself to profit in slavery…war…betrayal…adultery…land grabbing…etc.

Now, if you ask me, that’s a lot to proved him as a highly esteemed “profit of allah”
 
What are you smiling at? Mohammed had no miracles. According to the Bible the OT prophets, and also Jesus, had miracles witnessed by many. And Mohammed had no miracles. :whistle:
Staffsgt he made miracles by making lives unlivable…the ones who have lives lifeless.

Come to think of it ever since the resurgence of islam, we are experiencing an influx of these so called miracles from the “religion of peace” everywhere in the world.:ehh:
 
What are you smiling at? Mohammed had no miracles. According to the Bible the OT prophets, and also Jesus, had miracles witnessed by many. And Mohammed had no miracles. :whistle:
Of course he had a miracle. The Koran is his miracle, as is claimed by many Muslim apologists.

The problem is by that same logic, the Book of Mormon is a miracle. I had this discussion with a Muslim on the forum before. He demanded evidence, to which I quoted sources from the Church of Latter Day Saints website by apostles and leaders of Mormonism attesting that the Book of Mormon is considered a miracle.

A book you yourself pen (or in Mohammad’s case, dictate) is not a miracle. Again, by this standard, any such book is a miracle.
 
Of course he had a miracle. The Koran is his miracle, as is claimed by many Muslim apologists.

The problem is by that same logic, the Book of Mormon is a miracle.
Good point. But one quibble (just for the sake of the argument): isn’t the Koran regarded as a text of high literary standards in the original Arabic? I’m not sure whether even Mormons claim that for their scriptures, much less non-Mormons.
 
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