Why do Muslims Accept Muhammad as prophet?

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Most people in Europe would not have seen it since it happened before sunset and this would be true in many parts of the world as well.

There are however historical reports of people seeing it in parts of India.
 
hamba2han said:
Only a **few **livestock were reported to have drowned as a result of the abundance of rainfall from the miracle and so it was not a catastrophe that some are making it out to be.
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Sounds like more than livestock drowned. And there is **NO **mention of the word “few” ~ it states “**our livestock **have been drowned”
  • houses have collapsed
  • possessions have been drowned
  • livestock have been drowned
The same Bedouin or another man stood up and said, "O Allah’s Apostle! The houses have collapsed, our possessions and livestock have been drowned;
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jakasaki said:
Sounds like more than livestock drowned. And there is **NO **mention of the word “few” ~ it states “**our livestock **have been drowned”
  • houses have collapsed
  • possessions have been drowned
  • livestock have been drowned
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If the flood did not kill the livestock, the drought would have and so I do not see what the fuss is about.
 
hamba2han said:
Most people in Europe would not have seen it since it happened before sunset and this would be true in many parts of the world as well.

There are however historical reports of people seeing it in parts of India.
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Quote these “historical reports.” I’m also still waiting for quotes from the “geologists” that prove your point regarding the moon.

Also, I find it hard to believe people in Europe would not have seen it, given they are only off by a few hours and it would have been in the late-afternoon/early-evening, when most people would be awake and up and about. I also have a hard time that great centers of learning, such as in Alexandria or Greece, which were studying the stars would not have noticed it, especially since they live closer to the Meccan area than Europe does.
jakasaki said:
Conversations/discussions/debates with you is futile and fruitless.
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I take my car in for an oil change because it’s overdue. The auto mechanic goofs up and a fire starts, burning my engine. I get upset because my car is ruined.

If the auto mechanic were Hamba, he’d just say, “Well if the fire didn’t destroy your car, the oil clogging would have. So I don’t see what the fuss is about.” :rolleyes:
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
Quote these “historical reports.” I’m also still waiting for quotes from the “geologists” that prove your point regarding the moon.

Also, I find it hard to believe people in Europe would not have seen it, given they are only off by a few hours and it would have been in the late-afternoon/early-evening, when most people would be awake and up and about. I also have a hard time that great centers of learning, such as in Alexandria or Greece, which were studying the stars would not have noticed it, especially since they live closer to the Meccan area than Europe does.
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During the 7th century, what civilization of note are we talking about existed in Europe that would have recorded the event in their books?
 
hamba2han said:
During the 7th century, what civilization of note are we talking about existed in Europe that would have recorded the event in their books?
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The Roman civilization and culture still had a presence to a large degree (in fact it was still existent in Byzantium), and Rome still continued to be a serious place. Your question also ignores my statement regarding the centers of learning along the Mediterranean coast, near the Arabian desert.

Also, I’d like you to provide for me sources proving that 7th century Indians saw the event, as well as sources showing that geologists really do believe the moon was split in two and came back together. This is the second time I’m asking.
 
The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It is quoted in the book “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah:

“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”

The old manuscript in the ‘India Office Library’ contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel.
 
hamba2han said:
The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It is quoted in the book “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah:

“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”

The old manuscript in the ‘India Office Library’ contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel.
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And do you have any Indian sources that substantiate this?

EDIT:

BTW, I just realized you copied it word for word from Answering Christianity. Isn’t that plagiarism? :confused:

The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It is quoted in the book “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah:
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“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”
The old manuscript in the ‘India Office Library’ contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel. (source)

EDIT #2:

BTW, where are the geologists?
 
hamba2han said:
Most people in Europe would not have seen it since it happened before sunset and this would be true in many parts of the world as well.

There are however historical reports of people seeing it in parts of India.
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Forget Europe for now.

What about the people of Arabia, Persia, the Byzatine’s, the Greeks, the Jews, the Christians.

And please cite the “historical reports” from India

Thanks!
 
BTW, there are many reasons why people would not have been able to see the split of the moon in Europe and elsewhere.

For example, unfavourable weather conditions and heavy cloud cover would not have presented a clear view.

Besides, the event lasted only momentarily and so many people in Arabia itself would have missed it if they were not looking at the moon at the time.
 
hamba2han said:
BTW, there are many reasons why people would not have been able to see the split of the moon in Europe and elsewhere.

For example, unfavourable weather conditions and heavy cloud cover would not have presented a clear view.

Besides, the event lasted only momentarily and so many people in Arabia itself would have missed it if they were not looking at the moon at the time.
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So the moon only splits when people aren’t looking?

BTW, how about those geological sources? 🙂

The difference is I don’t present that as evidence for Christ’s divinity or the truth of the crucifixion. 😉
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
And do you have any Indian sources that substantiate this?

EDIT:

BTW, I just realized you copied it word for word from Answering Christianity. Isn’t that plagiarism? :confused:

The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It is quoted in the book “Muhammad Rasulullah,” by M. Hamidullah:
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“There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the “Indian king” was piously visited for many centuries.”
The old manuscript in the ‘India Office Library’ contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel. (source)

EDIT #2:

BTW, where are the geologists?
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I plagiarised it from this website.

The geologists were speaking in a BBC science program… which I did not watch incidentally…
 
Between JC, BW and Hamba, I’ve recieved my laughter for day! 😃 And nearly feel off my chair!

This gets better with each post…

Lord bless us and have mercy on our souls!!!
 
hamba2han said:
I plagiarised it from this website.

The geologists were speaking in a BBC science program… which I did not watch incidentally…
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I find this to be an interesting post:


  1. *]You admit you plagiarized.
    *]You admit that your source for the moon splitting was from a nameless BBC show which you didn’t even watch.

    I apologize if this sounds sarcastic or cynical, but are we really supposed to come to Islam when the only evidence presented amounts to: “Well I didn’t watch this show but my Uncle Larry did and he claims it said this, so that means you have to forsake your religion and come to mine.”
 
People forgot to mention meteors scrafing the surfaces…or the effect on the tides adn shorelines throughout the world…for what purpose???

I would like to get back to the dream that justified Islam taking over the Holy Land…how many slaughters and destruction, and the wiping out of faith in Palestine, Syria, and Egypt because of this so called prophet.

The little girl wife was probably right…he never left the room…and he had 12 other women as well.

Who is using who? All the additions and inserts and enclosures of language by his followers…all for power and lust and world domination…

vs the Sacred Scriptures that insured the original intent was passed down through generations.

You can’t argue theology here…more like physics, geography, logic…to help these people begin to use reason.
That is evil.
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
I find this to be an interesting post:


  1. *]You admit you plagiarized.
    *]You admit that your source for the moon splitting was from a nameless BBC show which you didn’t even watch.

    I apologize if this sounds sarcastic or cynical, but are we really supposed to come to Islam when the only evidence presented amounts to: “Well I didn’t watch this show but my Uncle Larry did and he claims it said this, so that means you have to forsake your religion and come to mine.”
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  1. The poiint is that it is not really a big deal for me what the geologists say because my belief in the moon splitting event is based on the eye-witness accounts according to the ahadith.

    The reason I mentioned those geologists is because what they have alleged to have said agrees with the account of the moon splitting as mentioned in the Qur’an and the ahadith.
 
hamba2han said:
The poiint is that it is not really a big deal for me what the geologists say because my belief in the moon splitting event is based on the eye-witness accounts according to the ahadith.

The reason I mentioned those geologists is because what they have alleged to have said agrees with the account of the moon splitting as mentioned in the Qur’an and the ahadith.
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I bet you a chocolate cake that if I were to open a new thread regarding the islamic hadiths and put them up for discussion, you will sit there and tell us they are not true hadiths because quite a bit of them show mohamad in a bad light for theology and as a prophet of God.
 
:rotfl:

You guys are too funny today! 😃

(Although I’m not liking those brussel sprouts - especially as large as they appear on my screen. :eek: )
 
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