Why do Muslims Accept Muhammad as prophet?

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Wow ! I’m a believer now - the koran is a science book and not a holy book. Who knows, maybe next week it will be a recipe book as well.

Thanks for the video JC, I’ve seen that one before and again, I was only able to sit watch & listen for less than 4 minutes.

Let’s review mohamads miracles:
  • he split the moon in half, but there is no mention of the moon being glued back to 1
  • he commaned rain during a drought but the rain cause flooding & it distroyed homes, possessions and cattle
I’m convinced now and to think, my entire family for centuries have been and remained Christian when islam was right in front of our eyes with miracles galore!
 
KathleenGee said:
People forgot to mention meteors scrafing the surfaces…or the effect on the tides adn shorelines throughout the world…for what purpose???
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The issue here is more so the “belt” around the moon that supposedly is evidence that the moon split in two then went back together. As I showed, it doesn’t go all the way around the moon; as (name removed by moderator) showed, the “belt” is more of a natural occurrence found on other planets than anything else.
hamba2han said:
The poiint is that it is not really a big deal for me what the geologists say because my belief in the moon splitting event is based on the eye-witness accounts according to the ahadith.

The reason I mentioned those geologists is because what they have alleged to have said agrees with the account of the moon splitting as mentioned in the Qur’an and the ahadith. [emphasis mine]
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Hamba, what you’ve just presented is the textbook case for circular reasoning. You dismiss the weak evidence of “geologists” from a nameless BBC documentary you can’t even name and which you yourself admitted you didn’t even watch (and obviously didn’t do further research into), and then simply declare that you use it because it agrees with your main point. Ultimately you say, “Well my side says it, so I believe it.”

As I said earlier, I don’t accept every claim or source simply because it helps my side, I follow the words of the apostle John and discern the spirits to see if they be of God (1 John 4:1). I don’t agree with everything said simply because a Christian says it or a Church Father says it, but look for uniformity.

Again, if you’re goal (as you admitted earlier, contrary to the rules of the forum) is to win people over to Islam, and you do so by using shoddy evidence that you claim you’re using just because you agree with it, then you are doing a disservice to your faith. You are making people repulsed to Islam - and therefore, your prophet.
hamba2han said:
Did I say that I plagiarized the material?.. Oops!, I meant copied.
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That’s the same thing. You remind me of a guy on NBC Dateline’s To Catch a Predator who admitted to sending pictures of private parts to an underaged girl. When Chris Hanson asks, “Pictures of your penis?” the guy responds, “Well, not my penis,” as if that makes it better. :rolleyes:
 
jakasaki said:
Let’s review mohamads miracles:
  • he split the moon in half, but there is no mention of the moon being glued back to 1
  • he commaned rain during a drought but the rain cause flooding & it distroyed homes, possessions and cattle
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You forgot:
  • he prostrated
 
Oh, sorry, I missed the point about the moon being split as I saw only a swath…looked like a meteor scraped it…but I am no geologist, but did take a college course in it about 40 years ago, and they never mentioned anything like that about the moon…

However, there are now ancient chariots being discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea…

just like there are ancient artifacts being found under the ancient temple in Jerusalem the Waqf is working very hard to destroy.

…

That Christmas dinner sure looked good…

My son and I watched a gourmet on tv visit Saudi Arabia, and they put part of a camel in boiling oil, brought it back up and placed it on a platter, and everyone ate using their hands…guest said it tasted real good.
 
Muslims are able to identify and name the people who actually witnessed the splitting of the moon as we are convinced of their integrity as eye-witnesses.

Can Christians identify and name the people who actually witnessed the crucifixion and are convinced of their integrity?

Point here is that it is also because of the integrity of the eye-witnesses that Muslims find it easy to accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
 
Okay, here we go using qu’ranic logic.

No one ever saw Mohammed and Elvis in the same room.

Elvis wanted to be an astronaut, he could’ve gone to Mars. Not Venus, Women are from Venus, men are from Mars.

Wait!!!

Lookie

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Elvis/Mohammed exist on Mars!

That is proof! At least as much as the moon splitting.
 
hamba2han said:
Muslims are able to identify and name the people who actually witnessed the splitting of the moon as we are convinced of their integrity as eye-witnesses…Point here is that it is also because of the integrity of the eye-witnesses that Muslims find it easy to accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
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The integrity is sometimes called into question when, going from those same hadith sources (such as the sahih ahadith), Christians find embarrassing or unflattering accounts of Mohammad, his revelations or the early Muslims. Therefore there exists among Islamic apologetics some inconsistency in the treatment of ahadith.

But the point is, that evidence was asked for to confirm these miracles (one of which wasn’t so much of a miracle) and none was really presented outside of vague sources that are ultimately backed up with, “I believe it, so I’m gonna use it.” When this proves faulty, you fall back on the ahadith, which started the conversation in the first place! Again, circular logic.
 
You are on a roll today! God Bless your Heart JC!

I did see the “diversion” and I’m steering clear of the debris my dear… 😃
 
EDIT: Right, BW. Sorry. I’m probably too upset today to be posting here.
 
Dzheremi, Hamba was clearly trying to distract from the topic by falling back on the crucifixion. Don’t give fuel to his fire. :mad:

EDIT: Ah thank you 😃

Also…

It’s OK, Jharek, I belong to an eastern sect, so we don’t count.
 
Yeah… that’s me also, in the 150 million… 😃 just like your missus… 😛
 
The miracle of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) healing the blind

• ‘Uthman ibn Hunayf relates:

A blind man came to God’s Messenger and requested him to pray to God to recover his eyes. The Messenger said: “If you desire, I’ll not pray—being blind may be better for your afterlife—or I’ll pray.” The man chose to be relieved of blindness and the Messenger told him: “Go and do an ablution. Then pray two rak‘as and say: ‘O God! Surely my appeal is to You and I turn toward You through the Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy: O Muhammad, surely I turn toward God through you, that He uncover my sight. O God, make him my intercessor.’” The man did what the Messenger told him and his sight was restored.
 
And about the picture of the Christmas dinner, I first thought I was looking at beautifully wrapped in foil party favors…now I can see they are forbidden drink…atleast you didn’t split in two eating your Christmas dinner…
 
I guess the moon miracle is right out, we’ve entered the shotgun approach (throwing many things out and hoping one of them sticks).
hamba2han said:
The miracle of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) healing the blind

• ‘Uthman ibn Hunayf relates:

A blind man came to God’s Messenger and requested him to pray to God to recover his eyes. The Messenger said: “If you desire, I’ll not pray—being blind may be better for your afterlife—or I’ll pray.” The man chose to be relieved of blindness and the Messenger told him: “Go and do an ablution. Then pray two rak‘as and say: ‘O God! Surely my appeal is to You and I turn toward You through the Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy: O Muhammad, surely I turn toward God through you, that He uncover my sight. O God, make him my intercessor.’” The man did what the Messenger told him and his sight was restored.
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And where is this sourced?
 
jakasaki said:
Out of these 3 translations, one mentions this Al-Masjid-al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem) and the word “Jerusalem” is in parenthesis. Meaning it was inserted in there by human hands and not part of the koran.

The other 2 verses make no such mention. Also, there were no mosques in Jerusalem at the time of mohamad.

And let’s just say that allah did take mohamad on a night journey to heaven. Why the detour towards Jerusalem? Why didn’t the flying donkey take mohamad straight up to heaven?

The whole thing does not make sense. It sounds like an Arabian folk tale.
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When I copied the 5 translations of the Koran, there was no Dr. Moshan ever mentioned as being one of the authorized translations. Is this the new koran they made up for infidels so we start thinking their ideology is different than what it really is?

So much time and money spent trying to convince us while the ones they say misunderstand Islam are just having their way with violence and deception.

I just read today the Saudis, the oil rich Saudis, are now giving the excuse that the Somalis are violent because of poverty. I wonder why they have been leaving Canada and the USA for Jihad if that were true, or where does the Saudi zakat go? (those who fight in the way of Jihad)
 
hamba2han said:
Tirmidhi, Da‘awat, 119; I. Hanbal, 4.138; I. Maja, Iqama, 189
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Doesn’t that hadith teach intercession, which is similar to the Catholic/Orthodox belief regarding the Church Triumphant, aka the Saints? For it emphasizes the man turning to God through Mohammad and not directly to God, which seems to contradict much of the Islamic attitude towards saints and divine intercession.
 
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