Why do Muslims believe that the Modern New Testament is corrupted?

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The Qur’an is the proof that the Bible has been corrupted.

If Christians can prove that the Qur’an is NOT the verbatim Speech of God, then maybe they would have a case at showing that the Bible is not corrupted.

However, the fact of the matter is that if the Qur’an cannot be proven to be false, then this of course means that the Bible has indeed been corrupted.
 
"quran is the prove that the bible has been corrupted."pls mr hamba2han,don’t say it again.it sounds disgusting.how can you claim it?and how can you say that if christian can prove that quran isn’t word of god then bible maybe not corrupted.how can u prove that quran is the word of god?come on be logical.you can give any logic but never claim that quran is the prove that the bible has been corrupted.its a laughable logic.give another reference
 
How do Muslims know that the Bible has been corrupted?

The Qur’an actually introduces itself as Furqan which means ‘the criterion to distinguish between truth and falsehood’ and Sura 25 is named Al-Furqan.

Blessed is He Who hath revealed unto His slave the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner to the peoples. … (Al-Qur’an, 25:1)

BTW, the Qur’an also describes itself by other terms such as Kitab (book), Dhikr (guidance), Burhaan (evidence), Shifa (cure), Kayyim (that which is pure), Muhaymin (that which preserves the previous scriptures).
 
mr hamba2han,have you any other reference except quran to prove that the bible has been corrupted?if yes then pls show us.we don’t belive quran.&quran claim itself as furqan so?if i will claim that i am angel michael or gabriel will you belive me?so if quran claim that its the only truth that we want prove.but pls give us other reference except quran.thanks
 
hamba2han said:
The Qur’an is the proof that the Bible has been corrupted.

If Christians can prove that the Qur’an is NOT the verbatim Speech of God, then maybe they would have a case at showing that the Bible is not corrupted.

However, the fact of the matter is that if the Qur’an cannot be proven to be false, then this of course means that the Bible has indeed been corrupted.
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Actually, no. The Koran has the burdon of proof. Not the Bible. We were here first. That does not make us right, but you must prove that we are wrong. It is only logical.

Even the Koran does not claim the Koran is the verbatum word of God. The words were transmitted though Mohammed, by way of an Angel. This is called heresay in a court of law and is inadmissable as evedence in testemony.
 
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… To me the New Testament is equivalent to the Hadiths of Muhammad…
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While there is truth to what you say, there is however a very major difference between the two i.e. the Science of Hadith.

As far as Muslims are concerned, it makes all the difference in the world why we choose to believe only the latter and not the former.
 
hamba2han said:
The Qur’an is the proof that the Bible has been corrupted.
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Who revealed the Qur’an to Mohammed?
If Christians can prove that the Qur’an is NOT the verbatim Speech of God, then maybe they would have a case at showing that the Bible is not corrupted.
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Muslims can’t prove who revealed the Qur’an to Mohammed and so to ascribe it as the verbatim speech of God is unwise.
However, the fact of the matter is that if the Qur’an cannot be proven to be false, then this of course means that the Bible has indeed been corrupted.
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The Qur’an is proven false by the simple fact it disagrees with the Bible.
 
mr.hamba2han,well you have ignored my messages.but i don’t care cuz as a former muslim i know the habits of muslim.anyway i guess you do not have any prove except quran that bible had been corrupted.so pls stop this nonsense messaging.it will be honourable for you.show us faithfull prove(pls don’t repeat again that quran is the most faithfull prove).i am waiting for ur prove
 
wow brother injesus i guess jesus really in you.cuz when you post some reply i think its missile.and some other case mr agnos thiest do that.i am really glad that some time i have opportunity to work with you
 
hamba2han said:
While there is truth to what you say, there is however a very major difference between the two i.e. the Science of Hadith.

As far as Muslims are concerned, it makes all the difference in the world why we choose to believe only the latter and not the former.
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Let provide an example,

Let’s take an Aqidah point. There are some Muslims who believe Allah is up in the literal sense. And use the following hadith as proof.

The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) requested that she be brought, and then asked her, “Where is Allah?” and she said, “In the sky (Fi al-sama)”; whereupon he asked her, “Who am I?” and she said, “You are the Messenger of Allah”; at which he said, Free her, “for she is a believer” (Sahih Muslim, 5 vols. Cairo 1376/1956. Reprint. Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1403/1983, 1.382: 538).

Hadith is Sahih, (Rigorously Authenticated)

However there are other Authenic hadith which provide a different version of the same story.

The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) asked the slave girl, “‘Who is your Lord?’ and she said, ‘Allah’; whereupon he asked her, ‘Who am I?’ and she said, ‘You are the Messenger of Allah’; at which he said, ‘Free her, for she is a believer’” (al-Ihsan fi taqrib Sahih Ibn Hibban, 18 vols. Beirut: Muassasa al-Risala, 1408/1988, 1.419: 189).

The hadith is Hasan (Well Authenticated)

And yet another Hadith,

the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said to her, “Do you testify that there is no god but Allah?” and she said yes. He said, “Do you testify that I am the Messenger of Allah?” and she said yes. He said, “Do you believe in resurrection after death?” and she said yes. He said, “Free her” (al-Musannaf, 11 vols. Beirut: al-Majlis al-Ilmi, 1390/1970, 9.175: 16814).

This Hadith is Sahih. (rigorously authenticated)

So if all three hadith are authentic, Can we ascertain what Muhammad actually asked the girl???

The answer of an honest person would be no.

However there are authentic hadiths, which establish certainty as to what the Prophet said. For example the Hadith of Jibril. What is Islam, what is Iman and what is Ihsan. Hadith is Sahih, and the wording if confirmed by the various methods of transmission.

Similiarily we find the same among the Gospels of Jesus, there are some wordings which vary while other wordings from Jesus that are firmly established.

So they are the same.
 
You see Morning Star, we try to answer Muslims logically and theologically, but to no avail with many. Whatever you say, they say the Quran is the Word of Allah so you must be wrong. It is time we remind them that good money comes first and then forged money. Jesus warned MANY TIMES about false prophets and it is time they LISTEN to “prophet” Jesus instead of crying " we believe in him" yet listen to none of his warnings and teachings because a man who used to invoke spirits and jinn quoted some apocrypha and legends and made them the eternal words of God.
 
What is hadith anyway? i heard x who heard z who heard x who heard w who heard Muhammad saying.

The testimony to Jesus and the apstles teachings (Tradition) are WHOLE CHURCHES in different countries and places with different races and audiences and cultures at the same time.
 
yes brother injesus you are correct.and ever i told to hamba2han that if i will claim that i am gabriel or michael will you belive me!lol.never.so if quran says that its furqan then why should we belive.so i asked him to prove with another source except quran.but he ignored my message.its funny.
 
Oh dear…many hijaked the name of angel Gabriel to preach their heresies…
 
yes brother inJESUS.many ppl hijack the name of gabriel.but muslims are special about it.anyway as an ex muslim i meet thousands muslim directly.except 2 or 3 of them all ppl hate non muslim.but they still claim that they are peaceful.lol actually islam is a piecefull religion not peacefull.who cut in piece ppls who leaved islam.i am secret christian.but u know that if they will know it they will also cut me in piece.i am scared.jesus save me
 
Morning Star,

i wouldn’t be surprised if many Muslims hate non-Muslims. Look at the first aya repeated by Muslims everyday…even the first aya of Allah has implicit hatred to Jews and Christians, add to them all the other ayas that call us all kind of names.
 
so think brother inJESUS,their religion teach terrorism but they claim they are peacefull.god jesus save jews and we christians from the violence of islam.AMEN.lord jesus save all ppl from the violence of islam and the demon leaded muslims.AMEN
 
brother inJESUS nt many but 99%muslims hate non muslims.i can bet.cuz during prayer of friday they cursed us and jews.
 
hamba2han said:
The Qur’an is the proof that the Bible has been corrupted.

If Christians can prove that the Qur’an is NOT the verbatim Speech of God, then maybe they would have a case at showing that the Bible is not corrupted.

However, the fact of the matter is that if the Qur’an cannot be proven to be false, then this of course means that the Bible has indeed been corrupted.
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The fact that the Bible is the unchanged word of God written by different human authors through divine inspiration is the proof that the Koran is not a divine revelation, but a fabrication full of inconsistencies and scientific/logical/historical mistakes.

Even if Muslims can prove that the Bible was textually corrupted and its original text was lost, they will NOT be able to convince Jews and Christians that the Islamic scripture is of divine origin. This is because the Bible and the Koran are different books that were written independently of each other and that the Koran was devised later than the Bible.

However, no Muslim has proven so far that the traditional corruption theory concerning the former revelations is true. Interestingly, the Koran contains verses that support and confirm the former revelations despite its teachings that apparrently contradict the teachings in the Bible.
 
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