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Angelos
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AMEN! AMEN!Praise the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Why do Muslims believe that the Modern New Testament is corrupted?
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Kallukalam
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Planten, which are the Asian countries that the Christian Missionaries converted people thru jihad?.
You mentioned India as one of the countries Christian Missionaries converted people in " jihad " style. Read the history, planten. I am from India. You know, St. Thomas preached the Gospel of in India. He did not use any force.
In fact, the muslim rulers converted people to Islam by force.
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planten
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Thanks Indian friend. I hope you have read the history. I did not say that the christian missionaries preached Christianity and converted people by the sword. Please read my post again and be reasonable.
You know that the europin christian forces invaded India in years 1700-1850 A.D. they were not missionaries. That was their Jihad against the Indians. Then the missionaries followed with their bible because the ground was prepared for their onsloght. They converted the Muslims and Hindus to christianity in large numbers, say millions.
I don’t blme them. But if any one will blame islam for Jihad then I have to remind them about their Jihad in India and Afrika and far east.
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R_not
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This is just one of those definition things with muslims, as with peace and peace treaty, etc - it means something else for us and it is different for muslims.
Muslim jihad against India has been devastating for them. Three major jihads were conducted and a new jihad that was renewed late last year was announced by muslims in that area. (oh, take note - no riot or anything from all these ‘moderate’ ones to stop the muslim violence!)
Here is a pretty good site on their jihad against all of us - including India.
historyofjihad.org/india.html
This one is pretty good because it is about an Indian who grew up with political islam (of which we are expering now in the USA, Canada, and Europe which is more incidious than not).
jihadwatch.org/archives/019060.php
al qaeda announcing their jihad against India.
jihadwatch.org/archives/016813.php
And basically the violence over there is including rape, kidnapping the girls and forcing them to marry muslim males and forcing them to convert to islam (remember peace in islam means death, conversion or subjugation).
islam is the ‘religion’ that keeps on giving hard facts that it is not peaceful, benign nor is there any good intentions in it for us infidels.
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Kallukalam
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Planten, you are confusing everybody. Don’t twist the history. No European Christian forces invaded India. Secular governments from Europe occupied India, not Christian forces. In fact it was a blessing in disguise, because the Christian Missionaries arrived and they not only preached the Gospal peacefully and converted people to Christianity but also established Educational Institutuions and Hospitals all over the Country. The famous Educational Institutions and Hospitals in India are established by the Christian Missioneries.
On the other hand, what the Muslim invaders did was they looted the precious things from Indians, converted people forcefully to islam, destroyed Temples, build mosques in its place. Don’t forget the Babari Masjid in Ayodhya. There are several mosques like that in India.
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inJESUS
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same in my country. Missionaries built schools and hospitals , the best in our country…the muslims who invaded us brought nothing but death .
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swariffin
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Dear Planten,
I don’t mean to offend you. What would any Islamic government do, had Mother Theresa came and apply for permit to start her mission there instead of Calcutta. Let’s set the situation before Mother Theresa became a well known figure. Would she be permitted? I have a believe that personally you would. What about others?
I don’t mean to offend you. What would any Islamic government do, had Mother Theresa came and apply for permit to start her mission there instead of Calcutta. Let’s set the situation before Mother Theresa became a well known figure. Would she be permitted? I have a believe that personally you would. What about others?
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planten
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I agree. Most of the Muslims have a mis-directed Islam. They will suffer and pay for it, as they are doing. They may be muslims by name sake only. So their governments are only name sake Muslim governments. It is similar to the church people dis-owning the western governments, calling them as non-christian governments.
I asked some one why there was so much booze and raffle (gambling) and drinking and sex in the christian countries, England, Germany, france etc.
He said they are not christian countries. You see??
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planten
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Kallukalam is not right. The forces of Europe who attacked and looted every Asian and Afrikan country were mainly christian. England has the church of England, i.e. Protestant faith country which has special status for Jesus. Nobody can abuse Jesus there. But other prophets are not protected by law. So what does Kallukalam say about England was not a christian country.
Nobody can distort history. The Story of the Muslim conquests is old history. The christian attacks are recent history. People are still suffering (divided) due to the christian occupation of all lands.
No doubt the british were the best of all European attackers. They built schools and railways and kept good law and order in their dominions. So they benefitted too during the two world wars. I feel that no one can blame the Muslims for their attacks and forget about the christian attacks. That is not fair.
Nobody can distort history. The Story of the Muslim conquests is old history. The christian attacks are recent history. People are still suffering (divided) due to the christian occupation of all lands.
No doubt the british were the best of all European attackers. They built schools and railways and kept good law and order in their dominions. So they benefitted too during the two world wars. I feel that no one can blame the Muslims for their attacks and forget about the christian attacks. That is not fair.
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R_not
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They are Christian countries. We don’t control people to the extent as muslim nations try to control people. The things you mention are not sins, per se. and it is up to God and that person to deal with the sin - not for some muslim to self appoint themself as judge, jury and executioner.
Anyway, we have seen that muslims do such things too. the saudi princes are drunks that drink behind closed walls or go to other countries and imbibe. And the 9/11 murderers were doing such things too. OH!! I almost forgot - that it is ok for muslims to do that if they are going to be killing infidels and probably die doing it!! I almost forgot about that little tidbit in islam.
Basically, I would take our sinful country and leave muslim countries since we see how freedoms are banned also. We see that when freedoms are banned how the society goes into stagnation and backwardness. We see that when the dhimmi population declines - the muslim’s workforce - that their countries also decline.
The advances in science and anything in muslim countries were due to those dhimmi and over generations when islam had a foothold - the stink of decay set in. Only for oil in the Middle East has some countries come out of it - somewhat. Their main export is still jihadists besides oil, as we see in saudi arabia.
So, to blame a few sinners and for them to think that they should implant islam in our country to take over - is repugnant to me. The utter arrogance of muslims to set themselves up as judge, jury and executioner is repugnant to me. Especially since their sins are not even considered sins - basically doing anything including rape, enslavement, torture, and killing of infidels - just as long as they don’t shirk.
Once again we are dealing with a definition thing of which muslims define our country as sinful while their behaviors is not considered a sin in islam - just as long as they don’t shirk.
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R_not
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Actually, the slaughters of others by muslims in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, Lebanon, India, and elsewhere is still going on. You even say ‘No doubt the british were the best of all European attackers. They built schools and railways and kept good law and order in their dominions.’ and then call that an attack?!
The whole problem is that you think it was the Christians only who might have done something. They might have had Christians in the military, but the military in any Christian land can consist of anyone of any religion. The motives are not Christian in nature - but secular. While islam is a political movement that uses religion as a weapon, or a front. islam is imperialistic. And it is still trying to grab land - ours, Europes, and basically I could list the whole globe because that is islam’s goal.
Dealing with muslim logic takes a bit. but, just keep in mind muslim definitions are not the same as ours - and that might be helpful.
Most things are only for muslims, by muslims and everything else - well, it is fair game to muslims to create chaos and death while telling those that they are not doing that. Since their only sin is to shirk - and that tells us a lot since doing anything else to infidels is a-ok to them.
We should know that just by paying attention to countries that already have sharia law established - no muslim goes to jail for beheading school girls. There is no police, or military, looking for the kidnappers of non-muslim children to be either enslaved or married to muslim males.
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