Why do Muslims hate Israel?

[trdchubi]

Jacob had been given the first-born inheritence by deceit between him and his mother. That traditionally should have been given to Esau. Even when his father realized what happened, he refused to change the blessings as the blessings could not be changed.

You could say it goes back even further in history when Sarah insisted that Abraham oust Hagar with Ismael so that issac would inherit everything.

So this really is a family squabble thousands of years old.

But God made a Blood Covenant with Abraham that this land shall belong to the off-spring of the child of him and Sarah, not hagar. God says that He will never break that covenant.

So the land belongs to the Jews. Argue the point with God and see who wins.

The palistine people had a chance to have their own state when the Un made israel a nation- which is prophecy fulfilled. They said no.

God Chosen are still the Jewish people. This never has changed. Did God lie?

The palistine people have been wronged by their leaders. They suck dry all the money given to them and raise their kids with hatred towards the Jews. Golda meir said" We can forgive you for killing our children but we cannot forgive you for making us kill yours"

Israel was attacked within days of becoming a nation. How it won that war is truely a miracle. Attacked from all sides by strong miliarty nations.

We are not the Chosen. We are Chrsitians. We are the bride of Chrsit but theChosen are the Wife of God.

And what does that make Muslims? It makes them a people who know our (Jewish and Christian) God from a far distance. They have little light(knowledge) for the Koran is a bastardized version of Scripture suited to stir up hate and forced submission by fear or blood and death.

This hatred is helped and fostered by none other than Satan. And it wil not end until the final battle is won by our King, Jesus Christ. All the Jews whose eyes have been blinded will be opened.

Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. And the land israel now occupies is but a sliver compared to what they really should own. Someday they will.

As i said, if this does not suit you, argue the point with God. And see Who wins.

:yup:

 

[Sam_777]

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Oh yes! Stop the occupation of that BIG 0.23 % land area of the islamic middle east.

Even if that was a single home, its unfair to kick out people whom had lived for centuries in any land in this world, that’s apply to Israelis expelling Palestinians and also applies to Muslims who had expelled the Jews from Palestine in early Islamic era.

Both Jews & Muslims are fighting for an earthy thing, while YHWH’s Word is offering them heavenly things but they are not listening…

 

[DeusVult09]

Generally speaking it is much more simple than that. They displaced their brethren from the land they had possessed for over 1,000 years at the point of the gun, two times beyond the extent that they were even granted by the United Nations. You would probably wind up hating someone if they did that to you.

and how did they gain possession of it? the Muslims invaded it under umar the Byzantines/ Romans had ruled it for around 700 years does that entitle Greek and Italians to claim it since they ruled it for so long they must be natives like you are arguing for the Arabs?

and the Jews inhabited it for some 2000 years which is longer than the Palestinians and the Romans so does that entitle them to take it over since that’s a lot longer than the Palestinian Arabs?

Palestinian Arabs are guilty of exactly the same thing you condemn Israel for. how did Arabs get any of the middle-east? it was controlled by pagans, christians and Zoroastrians . Muslims invaded and occupied it does that make it ok for us to hate Muslims? or what? your logic is flawed because muslims themselves conqured it so that alone does not justify their hate and such an argument is hypocritical

 

[DeusVult09]

The fact is that Muslims hate Israel for taking over land that was once Muslim(even though Muslims themselves took it over from the Romans who took it over from the Jews) but they have no problem with any of the lands they themselves have taken over they even glorify the Muslim conquests.

If Israel was a Muslim state and the Palestinians were Christians and Jews do you really think there would be any objections? Muslims have no problem with conquest occupation when its done by fellow Muslims and in the name of Islam because as the prophet Mohammad said the world belongs to the Muslims.

Any force or state which impedes this is subject to their hatred. Just look at how much the iranain president ahmadinejad criticizes israel for “Taking over Palestinian (muslim)Land” and he criticizes the west for past colonialism but you never hear him criticize the Muslims who invaded the Zoroastrian sassanid dynasty in Persia in an unprovoked attack thus spreading Islam there. Its always a double standard. Muslims glorify the Muslim conquests but demonize conquests by anyone else.

same with any attoricities commited by israelis are emphesised whilst any such action undetaken by the palestinians is defended or ignored. its all motivated by islamist agendas

 

[dzheremi]

It is not a matter of puffing up some Islamist agenda to recognize that the Palestinians have been maltreated, though. To excuse terrorism is NOT at all okay, not matter which side causes it. But it is possible (indeed, I think it is necessary) to recognize injustice without legitimizing terrorism. Injustice like the fact that Palestinians who willingly gave up their homes (like Abouna Chacour’s family did) and were promised that they could return to them were instead barred from returning. That is a grave injustice and breach of trust.

 

[staffsgt7]

It is not a matter of puffing up some Islamist agenda to recognize that the Palestinians have been maltreated, though. To excuse terrorism is NOT at all okay, not matter which side causes it. But it is possible (indeed, I think it is necessary) to recognize injustice without legitimizing terrorism. Injustice like the fact that Palestinians who willingly gave up their homes (like Abouna Chacour’s family did) and were promised that they could return to them were instead barred from returning. That is a grave injustice and breach of trust.

Yes, and the Arabs who told the Muslims to leave israel should be ashamed of themselves because they are the ones who told them to leave and that they would take care of them. They not only did not take care of them, they use them and pay them whenever one of their children blows themself up.

It certainly is most disgusting what the Arabs have done to the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians that used to live in Israel. Everyone thinks that Israel should be responsible for them. I don’t. They have been given millions to get their government organized and they fail to do it. they have an opportunity to make the government that they want and they fail. Instead they buy bombs, teach their kids to hate and are in a perpetual war.

 

[staffsgt7]

At least our Congress has woken up to the Gaza/Israeli war and that most of the claims by the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians claimed were not true.

US Congress condemns UN Goldstone Report, 344 to 36; full text & voting breakdown Published by Hillel Neuer
Click here for the final text of House Resolution 867, as adopted today by the U.S. Congress by a vote of 344 to 36, slamming the ignominious Goldstone Report. The roll call is below on the link I provided.

 

[trdchubi]

Even if that was a single home, its unfair to kick out people whom had lived for centuries in any land in this world, that’s apply to Israelis expelling Palestinians and also applies to Muslims who had expelled the Jews from Palestine in early Islamic era.

Both Jews & Muslims are fighting for an earthy thing, while YHWH’s Word is offering them heavenly things but they are not listening…

Sam we should also consider that the constitution of Israel says that the State owns the Land— land being the land itself, houses, buildings and anything permanently fixed to that land.

The state has the prime ownership of the land and has the mandate to do whatever fits with that authority including force evictions and displacement of unlawful tenants.

I agree that it seems unfair that people were being displaced from the lands they had lived for centuries. But individual ownership was granted only when the constitution said so. In this case the State of Israel owns 90% of the people’s land.

Is Israel justified with its action when its objective is to promote its constitution for the state’s development?

Squatting is a burden. Any human rights advocate will say that it is indeed a violation of the basic human rights when they are forcefully removed from their shelters and lands. But a higher entity has mandate with it – the Government.

I must say that these poor arab Christians and arab muslims in Gaza were sorry excuses to promote more violence and atrocities against the rightful owners of the land.

 

[trdchubi]

Even if that was a single home, its unfair to kick out people whom had lived for centuries in any land in this world, that’s apply to Israelis expelling Palestinians and also applies to Muslims who had expelled the Jews from Palestine in early Islamic era.

Both Jews & Muslims are fighting for an earthy thing, while YHWH’s Word is offering them heavenly things but they are not listening…

Now in the case of Jews being displace on muslim lands, that’s the arab muslims prerogative to exercise their theocracy.

The case here is that the Jewish people has lands now that they can call their own and still we are denying them that 0.23 % of the middle east. That’s absurd.

We displaced them throughout our history and yet we cannot forgive them when they exercise their right to exist in their own land given by United Nations.

 

[agiosotheos]

in their own land given by United Nations.

It’s not the land given by the United Nations that is so much the problem. It’s more so the other half that the UN did not grant them but that they stole.

 

[trdchubi]

It’s not the land given by the United Nations that is so much the problem. It’s more so the other half that the UN did not grant them but that they stole.

The countries of Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, sent forces to attack the newly formed country of Israel. Israel won the war, fair and square. Since arabs believe in fatalism, clearly they can not argue with the fact that the arabs gambled and lost.

The Israelis expanded their territories in response to the war and as we can see they have needed a buffer zone between themselves and those who have avowed to destroy them.

The arab pawns were left with the land that they were entitled to. They were weaker and they lost, end of story.

So no stolen lands as you suggest. If you start a war and lose it, there is no reason that you should expect that the people or country that you have attacked will give back any of the territories that you have lost.

 

[agiosotheos]

The countries of Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, sent forces to attack the newly formed country of Israel. Israel won the war, fair and square. Since arabs believe in fatalism, clearly they can not argue with the fact that the arabs gambled and lost.

The Israelis expanded their territories in response to the war and as we can see they have needed a buffer zone between themselves and those who have avowed to destroy them.

The arab pawns were left with the land that they were entitled to. They were weaker and they lost, end of story.

So no stolen lands as you suggest. If you start a war and lose it, there is no reason that you should expect that the people or country that you have attacked will give back any of the territories that you have lost.

Why should there be any lost territories in the first place? Why did the Zionist entity conquer Palestinian territories instead of defending itself? The answer is obvious. And yes, it should be expected. Giving back territories to any enemy you are no longer defending yourself from in an explicit military fashion is the right thing to do. Or at the very least treat your enemies as human being. But the Zionists are not righteous enough for such an approach.

 

[staffsgt7]

This is where the revisionist history of the Muslims has really done a good job. The Israelis DID NOT kick the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians out. THE ARABS TOLD THEM TO LEAVE before the 6 Day War. They PROMISED them they would take care of them.

The Arabs reniged on their promise to the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians.

The Israelis told them to stay. Some stayed and that is why there are muslims in Israel to this day. They are MUCH better off than the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians.

There is no basis for all this hoopla about the Israelis kicking Muslims off any lands. The Jews knew what it was like being kicked around so they did NOT kick anyone out of Israel.

In fact, JORDAN TOOK much of the land that and the Muslims have no problem with that even after Jordan kicked the Arabs that call themselves Palestinians out of Jordan. How come no boohooing about that?

The term Zionist is bunk. Zionist only means someone who wants their homeland. There were a few who were known as terrorists and ironically people make a bigger deal out of a few of them and completely ignore the vast numbers of Muslim terrorists or are giving them a pass. Why is that?

We are not even supposed to say that term anymore in relation to Islam’s terrorists, but no one has a problem with calling a handful of Zionists a terrorist. Why is that?

<a href="http://www.israel-wat.com/h9_eng4.htm"target=new>Myths & Facts of the 1967 Six-Day War

A history of Israel from 1850 to the present

Facts about Israel

 

[trdchubi]

Why should there be any lost territories in the first place? Why did the Zionist entity conquer Palestinian territories instead of defending itself? The answer is obvious.

Yes definetly obvious. Here’s why
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See where the arab invaders stage all their attacks?

 

[trdchubi]

Or at the very least treat your enemies as human being. But the Zionists are not righteous enough for such an approach.

How about the fact that Israel is providing medical treatment and humanitarian aid to palestinians while their terrorists target Israelis for death?

Now who has treated their enemies more as human beings?

 

[trdchubi]

…In fact, JORDAN TOOK much of the land that and the Muslims have no problem with that even after Jordan kicked the Arabs that call themselves Palestinians out of Jordan. How come no boohooing about that?

We are not even supposed to say that term anymore in relation to Islam’s terrorists, but no one has a problem with calling a handful of Zionists a terrorist. Why is that?

Yes why is that? Seems everyone wants the blame on the Jews.

Most people are way under the spell of Antisemitism and Anti-Israel movement:hypno:

 

[staffsgt7]

We have the continual propaganda from the Muslim world about those displaced Arabs who call themselves Palestinians. Nothing about the fact that it was due to the Arabs who promised them aid before the 6 Day War, while absolutely nothing is said of things like this. Basically, 2500 years of Jewish life in Yemen has ended.

It is too bad that after the book, The Protocols of Zion, the Jews did not learn about propaganda. They are not learning about propaganda even in the current century. Because of the successful propaganda of the Muslim world, way too many people are falling for the revised history of Israel.

The propaganda is so readily believed while getting people to read the truth is a very hard thing to do. In my last post I tried to post articles about the truth. What people should be doing is some research to find out the truth instead of listening to the loudest cry babies. Even our Congress (well, most of them) figured out the truth and voted against the Goldstone report.

You might be interested that 7 of the people who voted to not condemn the Goldstone report was true were some of the people getting Saudi money. Here is that article.

Fun fact of the day: the U.S. Congress voted 344 to 36 to condemn the OIC-initiated and antisemitic Goldstone Report today. Of the 36 who voted Nay and the 30 who did not vote, eight are among the eleven Representatives listed in the book Muslim Mafia as the top recipients of Arab-Muslim cash.
Pamela has the details:
**From the book, Muslim Mafia, page 195 **

Top 11 recipients of Arab Muslim cashRahall - voted nay
Moran - voted nay
Issa - voted yea
Conyers - did not vote
Kucinich - voted nay
Jackson - voted yea
Lee - voted nay
Dingell - voted nay
Kilpatrick - voted nay
Jackson-Lee - voted yea
McDermott - voted nay
Shows what that money will buy – 7 nay votes and one did not vote.
I am pleasantly surprised at Issa, Jackson, and Jackson-Lee.

 

[BryanS1976]

Let us differentiate between “Israel as a secular country” and “Israel as a Jewish country”.

Most Muslims hate Israel as a secular country because it occupied the Muslims/Arabs land (i.e, Palestine).

Most Muslims hate Israel as a Jewish country because of what is written about them in Quran & Hadith.

I myself for Israel as a secular country I don’t hate them nor I love them, I see them having some valid points but also I see Muslims having such points, and for Israel as a Jewish country I love them, and I think they would make more influence and gain more respect infront of other nations if they become a Jewish country where they implement the OT law they believe in.

I really like what you have to say and think it has much truth to it. I too hope to see the day when, as you say, the OT law will once again be implemented in the Land and there will be a rebuilt Jerusalem and a rebuilt Temple where G-d will be worshipped by all Nations as it says in Isaiah: “For my House will be called a House of Prayer for all Nations(/Peoples)” (Isaiah 56:7)

 

[Hadi]

Some verses from the Quran

28:5 And We desired to show favor unto those who were oppressed in the earth, and to make them examples and to make them the inheritors.

7:137 And We caused the folk who were oppressed to inherit the eastern parts of the land and the western parts thereof which We had blessed. And the fair word of the Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of their endurance; and We annihilated (all) that Pharaoh and his folk had done and that they had contrived.

 

[planten]

I really like what you have to say and think it has much truth to it. I too hope to see the day when, as you say, **the OT law will once again be implemented in the Land **and there will be a rebuilt Jerusalem **and a rebuilt Temple **where G-d will be worshipped by all Nations as it says in Isaiah: “For my House will be called a House of Prayer for all Nations(/Peoples)” (Isaiah 56:7)

If the law of Torah is not implemented in Israel then why it is not implemented by such long time? Is there some extrnal hinderance?? That law is very good. If implemented in these days, much of the world evil will disappear. If it was good for the Jews in olden times then it could also be good in present time too.

The rebuilding of Jeruslem and the house of G-d for the worshipping of that G-d could also be very good for every one. That is the promised land and Jews have come back there after a very long time (2000 years), by their good beliefs and good (befitting) deeds. They deserve to live there comfortably. Let them build a house of prayer to G-d for all nations. Nobody may have any objection to that too. Let there be peace in Israel.
Why there is delay and what is the hinderance in building a temple? The Israelis should be very careful in respecting the various christian and Muslim sites too.

There is no need for any Muslim to hate Israel, or to hate any one. There is always a need for every Muslim to behave themselves and come down to earth. Presently, the beliefs of Muslims are all shattered to pieces and their deeds are mostly evil. There may be good Muslims too some where. But mostly the Muslims are divided, misguided on various theological and practical matters.

Any Muslim who hates Israel, or hates any other person is not a Muslim at all.

Now the reason why the Muslims hate Israel, well that may be some political reason. But that would not be any good valid reason to hate Israel.