Why do Muslims not embrace Bahá'u'lláh as their prophet?

[inJESUS]

Yawn.

When will you guys make up your mind?
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when will you remember that Muhammad had all the time needed to learn everything he did?

 

[Sister_Amy]

when will you remember that Muhammad had all the time needed to learn everything he did?

You’re only deluding yourself, man.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

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simply that you want to mislead others …not really I could care less what Bahu… states. lol I am not gonna lay in his grave am I.

He didn’t give himself this status and he never proclaimed to be more of than messenger and a man. God raised him in this status. and well, he hasn’t denied himself being good has he… **
Sure God raised Muhammad. Just ask Muhammad. LOL.

tell me what exactly did Mohammad take from a book

 

[Isa_Almisry]

**amazing…put forth your claim and your side of the things that you say he stole…lay them forth and quit your stupid remarks…they aren’t cool

americanrevert**

The Quran itself says so: “what was sent down before you.”

Look up “Israiliyyaat.”

 

[cathopologist]

You’re only deluding yourself, man.

No he isn’t. Mohammad knew people would question the validity of his religion, thus said;
When We substitute one revelation for another - and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages) - they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not. - Qur’an 16:101

So he says what any person in his circumstance would say:
***None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things? ***- Qur’an 2:106

Mohammad substitutes the truth with error and subtly tells his followers not to question Allah’s power. Errors that both Christianity and Judaism repeatedly points out but falls on deaf ears.

History points to an undeniable fact. Mohammad’s “revelations” are nothing but borrowed texts of past revelations. To “prove” his book is legit, he repeatedly tells his followers in the Qur’an not to question Allah. Why should a religion discourage its followers from asking questions? Especially concerning the validity of someone claiming to be a prophet? The Bahai’s are known for allowing its followers and skeptics to ask questions concerning Bahá’u’lláh’s prophethood. Why can’t Islam do the same?

 

[cathopologist]

Let’s play the game Muslims play for example, claiming that Mohammad’s coming was “foretold” in the Scriptures.

YUSUFALI: And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, “this is evident sorcery!”
PICKTHAL: And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.
SHAKIR: And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the messenger of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic.

Clearly the “Comforter” (Ahmad) must be Bahá’u’lláh himself.
The Bahai faith teaches Mohammad was merely an apostle of Allah, not the seal of prophets. Since Bahá’u’lláh, there have been no other major apostasy in Islam, which makes Bahá’u’lláh’s claim even more true. He maybe (from an outsider’s perspective) the Seal of the Prophets and the Comforter Muslims have been waiting for.

I have read some Bahai literature (before i converted to Catholicism) and honestly, his appeal for peace and God’s redemption is much better than Mohammad’s.

 

[scipio337]

Heh. Great thread! I guess the same question could be asked: with the Bahai belief in progressive revelation, why Bahá’u’lláh or Bab aren’t considered a “Prophet, Seer, and Revelator,” by the LDS?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Let’s play the game Muslims play for example, claiming that Mohammad’s coming was “foretold” in the Scriptures.
Clearly the “Comforter” (Ahmad) must be Bahá’u’lláh himself.
The Bahai faith teaches Mohammad was merely an apostle of Allah, not the seal of prophets. Since Bahá’u’lláh, there have been no other major apostasy in Islam, which makes Bahá’u’lláh’s claim even more true. He maybe (from an outsider’s perspective) the Seal of the Prophets and the Comforter Muslims have been waiting for.

I have read some Bahai literature (before i converted to Catholicism) and honestly, his appeal for peace and God’s redemption is much better than Mohammad’s.

Then why don’t YOU accept him as a prophet?

Seriously. The islamic position is very clear on this and there’s no point in trying to confound it for the other readers.

 

[cathopologist]

Then why don’t YOU accept him as a prophet?

Seriously. The islamic position is very clear on this and there’s no point in trying to confound it for the other readers.

“The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized…Such a peace demandeth that the Great Powers should resolve, for the sake of the tranquility of the peoples of the earth, to be fully reconciled among themselves. Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require any armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories. This will ensure the peace and composure of every people, government and nation.” (Gleanings, p. 249)

The OT prophets were paving way in which the NT accomplished. Jesus warned us of false prophets - Mohammad is not part of it.

I think the Bahai faith is suitable for Muslims. Because the Qur’an is not anywhere close to Judaism and Christianity’s historical teachings.
"It is never the wish of those without Faith among the People of the Book, nor of the Pagans, that anything good should come down to you from your Lord. But Allah will choose for His special Mercy whom He will - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding." - Qur’an 002.105

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[Isa_Almisry]

Then why don’t YOU accept him as a prophet?

Seriously. The islamic position is very clear on this and there’s no point in trying to confound it for the other readers.

The Chrisitan position is very clear. And yet the Muslims continue to claim Muhammad is the Parakete.

 

[cathopologist]

Another thing Muslims should consider:

Baha’is consider the education of women as important as that of men, since women are the early teachers of children and can play their valuable part by being themselves educated. By contrast, Muslims look to religious authorities for guidance and often deprive women of education and independent thinking.

In recognition of the importance of independent thinking, no one is born Baha’i. Once one is born to a Muslim, he is considered Muslim for life. If he decides to leave Islam, he is labeled apostate and, apostates are automatically condemned to death. By contrast, every child born in a Baha’i family is required to make his own independent decision regarding whether or not he wishes to be a Baha’i. Freedom to choose and independent thinking are cherished values of the Baha’is, in stark contrast to that of the closed-minded Islamists.

Religion or science. Baha’is believe that truth transcends all boundaries. Scientific and religious truth emanate from the same universal source. They are like the two sides of the same coin. To Baha’is, science and religion are as two wings of a bird that enable humanity’s flight toward the summit of its potential; that any religious belief that contradicts science is superstition. Muslims believe that their religious scripture and dogma, irrespective of their proven falsehood, are superior to that of science.

Gender equality. Muslims hold the view, expressly stated in the Qur’an, that men are rulers over women. Baha’is reject this notion and subscribe to the unconditional equality of rights for the two sexes. This Baha’i principle emancipates one half of humanity from the status of subservient domestic to that of a fully participating and self-actualized human. It aims to put an end to the heartless exploitation of women and demands that women be treated with all due respect under the law.

Participatory decision-making. Islam, by its very nature, is patriarchal and authoritarian. Baha’is believe in the value of decision making through the practice of consultation; a process where everyone, irrespective of any and all considerations, has a voice in making decisions. This participatory decision-making principle abrogates a major prerogative of Islamic clergy who have been dictating matters to their liking and advantage. Also, at all levels of society, including the family, all affected members have the opportunity, even the responsibility, to make their views known without fear. Baha’i teachings clearly emphasize this commitment to a democratic decision-making in their scripture, “The shining spark of truth cometh forth only after the clash of differing opinions.”

World-embracing outlook. Baha’is love their native countries, yet extend that same love to the entire planet and its people. Baha’is believe that love has no limit and need not have limits. One can love his country and love the world at the same time. This love of the world is frequently used as a pretense by the Islamists to accuse the Baha’is of Iran as traitors to their own homeland. It is for this reason that the present mullahs ruling Iran falsely claim that the Baha’is are agents of the Zionist Israel and its American sponsor.

Excerpts from this article: “Why Islamists Persecute the Baha’is”

 

[Sister_Amy]

Muslims consider the education of women to be as important as it is for men. Obligatory.

And Isa, I’ve never heard ANYONE call Muhammad a parakeet.

 

[meedo]

Hello,

God has stated that he is the last of prophets and messengers.

The Quran is as follows :

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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men,** but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets:** and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
PICKTHAL: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, **but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; **and Allah is ever Aware of all things.
SHAKIR: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.

Thanks ,

Meedo

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Muslims consider the education of women to be as important as it is for men. Obligatory.

And Isa, I’ve never heard ANYONE call Muhammad a parakeet.

ParakLete.

 

[Sam_777]

Sister Amy;4190705:

Muslims consider the education of women to be as important as it is for men. Obligatory.

And Isa, I’ve never heard ANYONE call Muhammad a parakeet.

ParakLete.

Yes indeed Muslims believe so, a Ramadan documentary about Muhammed on one of our popular TV stations quoted monk Bahira who was from Arianism Christian denomination predicting the prophecy of Muhammed from the Bible, the documentary quoted John 14:26 from the Bible and said “Paraclete” means Muhammed.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4150358#post4150358

 

[abirdrrl]

If you read Bahaullah’s book, you will “know” it is from Allah since he cannot bring such wisdom from himself or others; therefore the Quran and hadith are “corrupt”

Baha’is believe that Al-Qur’ān is the uncorrupted word of God.

 

[abirdrrl]

What if Mohammad was wrong and Bahá’u’lláh right?

Bahá’ís believe that Muhammad was a manifestation of God, along with Bahá’u’lláh (and Jesus for that matter), so if Bahá’u’lláh was right, Muhammad could not have been wrong.

 

[abirdrrl]

The Bahai faith teaches Mohammad was merely an apostle of Allah, not the seal of prophets. Since Bahá’u’lláh, there have been no other major apostasy in Islam, which makes Bahá’u’lláh’s claim even more true. He maybe (from an outsider’s perspective) the Seal of the Prophets and the Comforter Muslims have been waiting for

Hmm not quite. From Gleanings: “If ye cherish the desire to slay Muḥammad, the Apostle of God, seize Me and put an end to My life, for I am He, and My Self is His Self”
So Baha’u’llah is not greater than Muhammad but equal. Also, Baha’u’llah cannot be the last prophet because He prophesies another prophet coming at least 1000 years after Himself.

 

[cathopologist]

abirdrrl, the intention of my thread is simply to show how Muslims err on Christianity’s teachings. I understand you’re a Baha’i and i want you to know i have no beef against Baha’is. Our president of Singapore is reputably a Baha’i himself.

I find Baha’i literature interesting, but i do not think of it as the Truth. No doubt, I have great respects for Baha’is because of their peaceful intentions and because they too, suffered terrible persecutions under Muslim rule.

There are a significant number of Baha’is in Singapore. I have also been to the Lotus Temple in New Delhi - a marvelous feat of construction.

You said:

Baha’u’llah is not greater than Muhammad but equal. Also, Baha’u’llah cannot be the last prophet because He prophesies another prophet coming at least 1000 years after Himself.

How do Baha’is reconcile with Islam and Mohammad? Since Islam clearly rejects the teachings of Baha’u’llah and consider them heretics. What would you say to convince Muslims who might consider converting to the Baha’i faith?

 

[abirdrrl]

I understand you’re a Baha’i

Not yet actually I’m having some (non doctrinal) issues with the current Baha’i administration that kind of prevent me from declaring.I was just pointing out some things that were incorrect in the thread, but I knew you had the right intentions when you wrote them!

You said: How do Baha’is reconcile with Islam and Mohammad? Since Islam clearly rejects the teachings of Baha’u’llah and consider them heretics. What would you say to convince Muslims who might consider converting to the Baha’i faith?

Honestly, I’d tell them to read the entire Kitab-i-Iqan which addresses a lot of the issues that Muslims and Christians have regarding progressive revelation and the status of Baha’u’llah. If they accept Baha’u’llah that’s great, and if they don’t that’s fine too.