WHY do Muslims perform such Shames ?

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Muslims do not consider it is not ‘nice’ to say Muhammad was a genocidal ethnic-cleansing bandit who enslaved women and children and had sex with an immature little girl. That is attacking Islam because Allah in his wisdom chose this man to be his final prophet.

These actions of the final prophet were obviously considered moral and good by Allah since he permitted and never punished this prophet for doing such things. Note how he punished previous “Christian/Jewish” prophets for wrong-doings but he never once even shook his finger and said tsk tsk, shook his finger to the final prophet. Thus such behavior was divinely sanctioned and we have no right to question divinity.

Muslims are insulted when non-Muslims tell them that their prophet was a bandit who committed genocide of the Jews of Arabia, who enslaved women and children, who murdered opponents, and ordered his followers to kill all those who do not want to believe in his god or accept living under Islamic oppression.

They think such truths are nothing more than attempts to ‘bash’ Islam. Muslims cannot believe what we say about Islam since we are not Muslims. Who better to know Islam than Muslims? Non-Muslims have absolutely no right to criticize Islam in any way since we’re not Muslims. If we want to criticize Islam we should say the shahada first.

Let us all just forget about criticizing Islam. All discussion is futile because inevitably the discussion will lead to criticism and hence to bashing Islam. Muslim feelings will be hurt.

There are good Muslims who obviously do not kill non-Muslims, thus proving Islam is the religion of peace. Muslims keep telling non-Muslims that Islam is the religion of peace and it is impolite to disbelieve them as this is tantamount to accusing them of lying. So stop disbelieving Muslims when they say such things. We should all look towards the good that Allah has brought us. Negativity in any way is destructive.

Allahuackbar.

 

[Darrel]

One must condemn evil. I think it’s evil; the example of Muhammad. If one is silent to evil, it will grow.

I think it’s evil for a man to desire sex with a child. Muhammad did this. It’s 'permissible in Islam.

If you don’t think that’s evil, well, that’s up to you.

It’s not to say all Moslems will do this, but they can. It’s permissible.

I think most people just can’t get there head around the fact that Islam is actually doing what it is doing. If people could see the real truth up close and personal for 5 minutes they might find themselves in a total reversal of opinion.

People who defend Islam as if it’s an opinion to be respected, seem to literally ignore the actions carried out by Islam. I wonder if someone could watch an adulteress stoned in Iran and say afterwards, “hey Islam is a religion of peace, we need to be tolerant and accepting”.

-D

 

[Darrel]

Muslims do not consider it is not ‘nice’ to say Muhammad was a genocidal ethnic-cleansing bandit who enslaved women and children and had sex with an immature little girl. That is attacking Islam because Allah in his wisdom chose this man to be his final prophet.

These actions of the final prophet were obviously considered moral and good by Allah since he permitted and never punished this prophet for doing such things. Note how he punished previous “Christian/Jewish” prophets for wrong-doings but he never once even shook his finger and said tsk tsk, shook his finger to the final prophet. Thus such behavior was divinely sanctioned and we have no right to question divinity.

Muslims are insulted when non-Muslims tell them that their prophet was a bandit who committed genocide of the Jews of Arabia, who enslaved women and children, who murdered opponents, and ordered his followers to kill all those who do not want to believe in his god or accept living under Islamic oppression.

They think such truths are nothing more than attempts to ‘bash’ Islam. Muslims cannot believe what we say about Islam since we are not Muslims. Who better to know Islam than Muslims? Non-Muslims have absolutely no right to criticize Islam in any way since we’re not Muslims. If we want to criticize Islam we should say the shahada first.

Let us all just forget about criticizing Islam. All discussion is futile because inevitably the discussion will lead to criticism and hence to bashing Islam. Muslim feelings will be hurt.

There are good Muslims who obviously do not kill non-Muslims, thus proving Islam is the religion of peace. Muslims keep telling non-Muslims that Islam is the religion of peace and it is impolite to disbelieve them as this is tantamount to accusing them of lying. So stop disbelieving Muslims when they say such things. We should all look towards the good that Allah has brought us. Negativity in any way is destructive.

Allahuackbar.

Do you spend any time correcting radical violent Islamist or just Catholics here in the forum?

-D

 

[Montalban]

I think most people just can’t get there head around the fact that Islam is actually doing what it is doing. If people could see the real truth up close and personal for 5 minutes they might find themselves in a total reversal of opinion.

People who defend Islam as if it’s an opinion to be respected, seem to literally ignore the actions carried out by Islam. I wonder if someone could watch an adulteress stoned in Iran and say afterwards, “hey Islam is a religion of peace, we need to be tolerant and accepting”.

This indeed was the mistake of the early Christians who approached the advent of Islam with the mistaken belief that when a Moslem made a deal, he’d keep his word… rather than just wait (as the Koran commands) until a more advantageous time to attack

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Darrel:

Do you spend any time correcting radical violent Islamist or just Catholics here in the forum?

-D

For a long time I used to criticize Islam and Muslims for following Islam. I used to take on Muslims in theological debate using their own religious sources as evidence that Islam was not quite as wonderful as Muslims believe it to be.

But I’ve seen the light. To expedite constructive dialogue between Muslims and non-Muslims we must not hurt the feelings of Muslims in any way. That would merely turn them off.

After all, I’m not a Muslim (yet) and therefore I have no right to criticize Islam or Muslims in any way. This is because who better than Muslims to know their religion? If a Muslim says Islam is the religion of peace, how can we doubt him/her? This would be tantamount to accusing him/her of lying. And to make such an accusation would be destructive to the dialogue between Muslims and non-Muslims.

BTW: what does the term ‘radical violent Islamist’ mean? I have never heard of it - it obviously does not exist. Or if it does it is just some Muslim miscreant misinterpreting the Quran, or else it’s the CIA or Mossad trying to make Muslims look bad.

No. Radical violent Islamists are not those Muslims who follow and apply the teachings of their prophet to kill all those who do not want to believe in Allah or live in subjugation. After all, Muslims do tell us Islam is the religion of peace and by definition peace is non-violent.

Hope this clarifies matters.

Allahuackhbar.

 

[Darrel]

For a long time I used to criticize Islam and Muslims for following Islam. I used to take on Muslims in theological debate using their own religious sources as evidence that Islam was not quite as wonderful as Muslims believe it to be.

But I’ve seen the light. To expedite constructive dialogue between Muslims and non-Muslims we must not hurt the feelings of Muslims in any way. That would merely turn them off.

After all, I’m not a Muslim (yet) and therefore I have no right to criticize Islam or Muslims in any way. This is because who better than Muslims to know their religion? If a Muslim says Islam is the religion of peace, how can we doubt him/her? This would be tantamount to accusing him/her of lying. And to make such an accusation would be destructive to the dialogue between Muslims and non-Muslims.

BTW: what does the term ‘radical violent Islamist’ mean? I have never heard of it - it obviously does not exist. Or if it does it is just some Muslim miscreant misinterpreting the Quran, or else it’s the CIA or Mossad trying to make Muslims look bad.

No. Radical violent Islamists are not those Muslims who follow and apply the teachings of their prophet to kill all those who do not want to believe in Allah or live in subjugation. After all, Muslims do tell us Islam is the religion of peace and by definition peace is non-violent.

Hope this clarifies matters.

Allahuackhbar.

Your words are not true. You can say Islam is a religion of peace all day long. Yet a blind man could see the amount of violence that takes place in Islam. It gets kind of silly after a while reading all of these Islamic posts here at CA from people calling Islam this peaceful religion. I read the post about the so called religion of peace and then I turn on the news to see Hezbollah fire 10,000 rockets into Israel or see a story of a Priest’s head sawn off in Iraq. If you want to redefine Islam you need to change the people in Islam and stop wasting your time trying to change Catholics.

-D

 

[pro_universal]

Your words are not true. You can say Islam is a religion of peace all day long. Yet a blind man could see the amount of violence that takes place in Islam. It gets kind of silly after a while reading all of these Islamic posts here at CA from people calling Islam this peaceful religion. I read the post about the so called religion of peace and then I turn on CNN to see Hezbollah fire 10,000 rockets into Israel or see a story of a Priest’s head sawn off in Iraq. If you want to redefine Islam you need to change the people in Islam and stop wasting your time trying to change Catholics.

-D

Well, look at this logic in reverse:

I read the post about the so called religion of peace and then I turn on CNN to see Christian Serbs kill 200,000 civilians or see a story of a rape camp in Bosnia. If you want to redefine Christianity you need to change the people in Christianity and stop wasting your time trying to change Muslims.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Darrel:

Your words are not true. You can say Islam is a religion of peace all day long. Yet a blind man could see the amount of violence that takes place in Islam. It gets kind of silly after a while reading all of these Islamic posts here at CA from people calling Islam this peaceful religion. I read the post about the so called religion of peace and then I turn on CNN to see Hezbollah fire 10,000 rockets into Israel or see a story of a Priest’s head sawn off in Iraq. If you want to redefine Islam you need to change the people in Islam and stop wasting your time trying to change Catholics.

-D

Darrel,
What you’re doing is making an inductive reasoning:

Muslims are doing nasty things.

==>

Islam is bad because Muslims are doing nasty things.

This is an inference, obviously since you have not eliminated other possibilities such as mossad agents firing rockets into Israel just to make Hezbollah look bad.

Until you do, you have to accept the word of the Muslims who tell us that Islam is the religion of peace. After all, who better than Muslims to know Islam? Are you a Muslim? Obviously not. So your knowledge of Islam is less than that of a Muslim? So when a Muslim tells you something about his/her religion he/she is more authoritative than you and you should just accept it without question.

In fact, you as a non-Muslim has no right to criticize Islam at all as that would be ‘bashing’ Islam.

Alllahuakdbbra.

 

[Montalban]

Well, look at this logic in reverse:

If you can show cause between their actions and the teachings of Christ, be sure to present it

 

[Darrel]

Well, look at this logic in reverse:

Good idea,

But as always, you rely on slick wording more than truth. Whatever atrocities you can list (by the thousand) committed by Christians, they were never promoted and taught by Jesus Christ. Muhammed taught people to do evil to one another. If we have peaceful American Islam you can thank the US constitution for it, not Muhammed.

-D

 

[MLuther]

Darrel,
What you’re doing is making an inductive reasoning:

Muslims are doing nasty things.

==>

Islam is bad because Muslims are doing nasty things.

This is an inference, obviously since you have not eliminated other possibilities such as mossad agents firing rockets into Israel just to make Hezbollah look bad.

Until you do, you have to accept the word of the Muslims who tell us that Islam is the religion of peace. After all, who better than Muslims to know Islam? Are you a Muslim? Obviously not. So your knowledge of Islam is less than that of a Muslim? So when a Muslim tells you something about his/her religion he/she is more authoritative than you and you should just accept it without question.

In fact, you as a non-Muslim has no right to criticize Islam at all as that would be ‘bashing’ Islam.

Alllahuakdbbra.

correct me if I misunderstood you. you are saying that Christians should not bash Islam or criticise Muslims negatively because Christians who are against Islam have no real knowledge of Islam thus they should follow ‘love thy enemy’ and ‘turn the other cheak’. Because bashing Islam will cause more damage to Christianity than by not bashing attitude?

i think this is true b’cause the more you bash Islam, more it is spreading all over the world.

the best thing is to keep the golden words of JP2 about Isslam and Muslims and his legacy of “kissing the Koran”.

 

[MLuther]

rodrigo,
what is “Alllahuakdbbra”? Is this somenting in your native language?

 

[pro_universal]

If you can show cause between their actions and the teachings of Christ, be sure to present it

Sure, they’re just doing what Jesus commanded them to do:

Luke, 19:27: “Bring my enemies before me and slay them.”

Since you say Muslims are the enemies of Christians, the Serbs were following Jesus’s command, and that’s why they all cried in the streets and carried pictures of Milosevic into Churches when he died.

 

[Darrel]

Darrel,
What you’re doing is making an inductive reasoning:

Muslims are doing nasty things.

==>

Islam is bad because Muslims are doing nasty things.

Islam is bad because it teaches people that God wants you to do nasty things.

This is an inference, obviously since you have not eliminated other possibilities such as mossad agents firing rockets into Israel just to make Hezbollah look bad

.

Proof? Or just another paranoid conspiracy theory to deny reality? The Moussad is a first class CIA style intel agency, it would far out perform this theory if it were out make anyone look bad.

Until you do, you have to accept the word of the Muslims who tell us that Islam is the religion of peace. After all, who better than Muslims to know Islam? Are you a Muslim? Obviously not. So your knowledge of Islam is less than that of a Muslim? So when a Muslim tells you something about his/her religion he/she is more authoritative than you and you should just accept it without question.

Sorry to burst your bubble but in America we can decide to not accept Islam without question. Just FYI.

In fact, you as a non-Muslim has no right to criticize Islam at all as that would be ‘bashing’ Islam.

Yes actually I do have a right to critisize Islam. I also have a right to hypothetically call Muhhamed a false prophet or hypothetically draw a cartoon of him if I like. If I were to recieve a death threat for doing so I would also have the right to hypothetically defend myself. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. Feel free to critisize anything you like as a free person.

-D

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

correct me if I misunderstood you. You are saying that Christians should not bash Islam or criticise Muslims negatively because Christians who are against Islam have no real knowledge of Islam thus they should follow ‘love thy enemy’ and ‘turn the other cheak’. Because bashing Islam will cause more damage to Christianity than by bashing attitude?

I think this is true because the more you bash Islam, more it is spreading all over the world.

The best thing is to keep the golden words of JP2 and his legacy of “kissing the Koran”.

Yes, we should all accept that Islam is in the ascendancy and must therefore cower before it in dhimmitude. After all we don’t want to hurt the feelings of the Muslims. We do want to engage them in constructive dialogue where they tell us how things are going to be and how we have to accept their rules.

The Muslims know that Christianity is a false religion because the Bible was corrupted and that the Trinity doctrine is untrue: Jesus never taught that the Trinity is comprised of Allah, Jesus and Mary. So there’s no point to your following this Christian religion that is clearly corrupted from the true Islamic religion that Adam and Abraham were prophets of. Just thank Allah’s mercy that Muslims do not kill you all and permit you to live in dhimmitude.

After all, Islam is the religion of peace. You have a problem with living in peace?

Allalahdhdbar

 

[Darrel]

Yes, we should all accept that Islam is in the ascendancy and must therefore cower before it in dhimmitude. After all we don’t want to hurt the feelings of the Muslims. We do want to engage them in constructive dialogue where they tell us how things are going to be and how we have to accept their rules.

The Muslims know that Christianity is a false religion because the Bible was corrupted and that the Trinity doctrine is untrue: Jesus never taught that the Trinity is comprised of Allah, Jesus and Mary. So there’s no point to your following this Christian religion that is clearly corrupted from the true Islamic religion that Adam and Abraham were prophets of. Just thank Allah’s mercy that Muslims do not kill you all and permit you to live in dhimmitude.

After all, Islam is the religion of peace. You have a problem with living in peace?

Allalahdhdbar

Pro_Universal,

Do you agree with this? If not maybe you should straighten him out in a PM? Or is this consistant with all Islam?

-D

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Islam is bad because it teaches people that God wants you to do nasty things.

That is merely your interpretation of Islam and because you’re not a Muslim you have no right to interpret Islam. Who are you to interpret Islam anyway? Why should we believe you over some Muslims who tell us that Islam is the religion of peace?
.

Darrel:

Proof? Or just another paranoid conspiracy theory to deny reality? The Moussad is a first class CIA style intel agency, it would far out perform this theory if it were out make anyone look bad.

You know 3,000 Jews left work on the day that the rockets were fired into Haifa. That is evidence that mossad fired those rockets commonly believed to have been fired by Hezbollah.

Darrel:

Sorry to burst your bubble but in America we can decide to not accept Islam without question. Just FYI.

Why not? Islam is the religion of peace? Do Americans have a problem with living in peace?

Darrel:

Yes actually I do have a right to critisize Islam. I also have a right to hypothetically call Muhhamed a false prophet or hypothetically draw a cartoon of him if I like. If I were to recieve a death threat for doing so I would also have the right to hypothetically defend myself. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. Feel free to critisize anything you like as a free person.

-D

Tsk tsk. Bashing Islam is not constructive. There are some Christians on this forum who would take you to task for saying such things. After all, we should not hurt the feelings of Muslims. Love your neighbor, I believe.

Aalllahababab

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

rodrigo,
what is “Alllahuakdbbra”? Is this somenting in your native language?

Arabic is a difficult language to translate into English.

 

[Darrel]

That is merely your interpretation of Islam and because you’re not a Muslim you have no right to interpret Islam. Who are you to interpret Islam anyway? Why should we believe you over some Muslims who tell us that Islam is the religion of peace?
.

You know 3,000 Jews left work on the day that the rockets were fired into Haifa. That is evidence that mossad fired those rockets commonly believed to have been fired by Hezbollah.

Why not? Islam is the religion of peace? Do Americans have a problem with living in peace?

Tsk tsk. Bashing Islam is not constructive. There are some Christians on this forum who would take you to task for saying such things. After all, we should not hurt the feelings of Muslims. Love your neighbor, I believe.

Aalllahababab

Hehe,

I do you no service if I sugar coat the truth. You call my opinions of Islam “bashing”. Yet you just finished a post stating that Christianity is a false religion. By the way, you have the right to say that.

-D

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Hehe,

I do you no service if I sugar coat the truth. You call my opinions of Islam “bashing”.

That is what I’ve been told here - telling the truth about Islam is bashing Islam. So I’ve seen the light, bud.

Darrel:

Yet you just finished a post stating that Christianity is a false religion. By the way, you have the right to say that.

-D

No no no - Muslims say that.

BTW: love your signature. Wink wink.