Why do Non Arab Muslims also Hate the Jews?

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by CHESTERTONRULES:
I agree. I didn’t mean to insinuate that all Arab muslims or all non Arab muslims hate the jews.

My question was regarding those non Arab muslims, like Persians and Pakistanis, who have very strong anti semetic views.

I don’t get it.

Mohammad, my friend, Mohammad.

Hi

Yes, Muhammad loved Jews like he loved all the human beings in the world. He was selected a Messenger by God Allah Parmesher YHWH for the whole world, so he could not discriminate one from the other. His teachings and deeds, all essentials and prinicipled, are preserved to this day in Quran and that manifest clearly that he had profound love for everybody in the world and he hated none.In fact the peace in the world very much needs that his personage should be understood correctly; hitherto it has not be understood corretly, in my opinion.

Anybody who thinks otherwise, please, quote from Quran with the context.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

 

[R_not]

Hi

Yes, Muhammad loved Jews like he loved all the human beings in the world. He was selected a Messenger by God Allah Parmesher YHWH for the whole world, so he could not discriminate one from the other. His teachings and deeds, all essentials and prinicipled, are preserved to this day in Quran and that manifest clearly that he had profound love for everybody in the world and he hated none.In fact the peace in the world very much needs that his personage should be understood correctly; hitherto it has not be understood corretly, in my opinion.

Anybody who thinks otherwise, please, quote from Quran with the context.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

Maybe it is he from where we get the saying, ‘being loved to death’!

His first offensive battle against the Quraysh - he beheaded between 600 and 900 men and boys ‘who had hair’. the rest of the women and children he enslaved.

Can you all stand all that love?

Here is some more:

Qur’an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."

• No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51

I guess I could go on but all that luuuuv just got to me…:sad_yes:

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

First, I quote the text from Quran with the context:

[33:22] لَقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ لِمَنْ كَانَ يَرْجُو اللَّهَ وَالْيَوْمَ الْآَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا
[33:22] Verily you have in the Prophet of Allah an excellent model, for him who fears Allah and the Last Day and who remembers Allah much.​

[33:23] وَلَمَّا رَأَى الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْأَحْزَابَ قَالُوا هَذَا مَا وَعَدَنَا اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَصَدَقَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَمَا زَادَهُمْ إِلَّا إِيمَانًا وَتَسْلِيمًا
[33:23] And when the believers saw the confederates, they said, ‘This is what Allah and His Messenger promised us; and Allah and His Messenger spoke the truth.’ And it only added to their faith and submission.

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[33:24] مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ رِجَالٌ صَدَقُوا مَا عَاهَدُوا اللَّهَ عَلَيْهِ فَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ قَضَى نَحْبَهُ وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ يَنْتَظِرُ وَمَا بَدَّلُوا تَبْدِيلًا
[33:24] Among the believers are men who have been true to the covenant they made with Allah. There are some of them who have fulfilled their vow, and some who still wait, and they have not changed their condition in the least;​

[33:25] لِيَجْزِيَ اللَّهُ الصَّادِقِينَ بِصِدْقِهِمْ وَيُعَذِّبَ الْمُنَافِقِينَ إِنْ شَاءَ أَوْ يَتُوبَ عَلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا
[33:25] That Allah may reward the truthful for their truth, and punish the hypocrites if He so please, or turn to them in mercy. Verily Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.​

[33:26] وَرَدَّ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِغَيْظِهِمْ لَمْ يَنَالُوا خَيْرًا وَكَفَى اللَّهُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ الْقِتَالَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ قَوِيًّا عَزِيزًا
[33:26] And Allah turned back the disbelievers in their rage; they gained no good. And Allah sufficed the believes in their fight. And Allah is Powerful, Mighty.​

[33:27] وَأَنْزَلَ الَّذِينَ ظَاهَرُوهُمْ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ مِنْ صَيَاصِيهِمْ وَقَذَفَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الرُّعْبَ فَرِيقًا تَقْتُلُونَ وَتَأْسِرُونَ فَرِيقًا
[33:27] And He brought those of the People of the Book who aided them down from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you took captive.​

[33:28] وَأَوْرَثَكُمْ أَرْضَهُمْ وَدِيَارَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ وَأَرْضًا لَمْ تَطَئُوهَا وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرًا
[33:28] And He made you inherit their land and their houses and their wealth, and a land on which you had never set foot. And Allah has power over all things.​

[33:29] يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُلْ لِأَزْوَاجِكَ إِنْ كُنْتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا وَزِينَتَهَا فَتَعَالَيْنَ أُمَتِّعْكُنَّ وَأُسَرِّحْكُنَّ سَرَاحًا جَمِيلًا
[33:29] O Prophet! say to thy wives, ‘If you desire the life of this world and its adornment, come then, I will provide for you and send you away in a handsome manner.​

[33:30] وَإِنْ كُنْتُنَّ تُرِدْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَالدَّارَ الْآَخِرَةَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْمُحْسِنَاتِ مِنْكُنَّ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا
[33:30] ‘But if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, then truly Allah has prepared for those of you who do good a great reward.’​

[33:31] يَا نِسَاءَ النَّبِيِّ مَنْ يَأْتِ مِنْكُنَّ بِفَاحِشَةٍ مُبَيِّنَةٍ يُضَاعَفْ لَهَا الْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ وَكَانَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرًا
[33:31] O wives of the Prophet! if any of you be guilty of manifestly dishonourable conduct, the punishment will be doubled for her. And that is easy for Allah.

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A Messenger Prophet loves all . He and his followers has to deliver the Message he has been chosen for by God Allah . If the Quraish don’t allow them to co-exist and torture them , persecute them , kill them and force them to exile; naturarally the Messenger and his followers would exert their right to exist and that is a rational approach.

Why did the Jews support the Quraish who were a cruel people?

The Jew were dealt with, in my opinion, as they should have been dealt with as per Torah. So they should have no cause of complaint against Muhammad. Peace and love are no synonyms of cowardice.

This shows, in my opinion, that you are prejudiced against Muslims and would support the Jews even if they are wrong-doers.

I think it is unbecoming of a Catholics who love humanity rather than prejudice.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

 

[Reuben_J]

Maybe it is he from where we get the saying, ‘being loved to death’!

His first offensive battle against the Quraysh - he beheaded between 600 and 900 men and boys ‘who had hair’. the rest of the women and children he enslaved.

Can you all stand all that love?

Here is some more:

Qur’an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."

• No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51

I guess I could go on but all that luuuuv just got to me…:sad_yes:

And also what about the one whom he got assasinated because of the poem he wrote? And the one who bertrayed him?

It’s more like, hey, nobody mess with the godfather and stayed alived. In any case, the OP is right. There seems to be that intrinsic non-affinity of Muslims towards the Jews. I can say this because most of my Muslim friends, and they are not Arabs, would say so when it come to the subject of Jews or anyone Jewish.

 

[Reuben_J]

A Messenger Prophet love all . He and his followers has to deliver the Message he has been chosen for by God Allah . If the Quraish don’t allow them to co-exist and torture them , persecute them , kill them and force them to exile; naturarally the Messenger and his followers would exert their right to exist and that is a rational approach.

Why did the Jews support the Quraish who were a cruel people?

The Jew were dealt with, in my opinion, as they should have been dealt with as per Torah. So they should have no cause of complaint against Muhammad. Peace and love are no synonyms of cowardice.

This shows, in my opinion, that you are prejudiced against Muslims and would support the Jews even if they are wrong-doers.

But that made them in his bad book. Even you agree that those Jews got what’s coming to them. Knowing Mohammad who would killed a poet because of his poem, it is not unreasonable to think that he would remember and dislike the bad things that being done to him.

So thanks for bringing out he reason why Muslims generally hate the Jews as in the OP.

 

[Valke2]

A Muslim who hates Jews might be, as you describe, racist, or in some other way unfairly discriminatory.

But it isn’t Jews, actually, against whom you find the ire of Muslims worldwide directed. Rather, it is at a specific group of people who might not be Jewish at all, who are held to be primarily responsible for the suffering of the Palestinian people. Some of those people are Jewish, because it’s not because they are Jewish that they are hated. Some are Christian, and some are non-religious.

For a Muslim who considers a Palestinian to be his brother, or sister, to see that Palestinian suffer under an illegal occupation, denied many basic human rights, how do you expect that Muslim to feel?

I mean, imagine how you might have felt after the 9/11, or 7/7 attacks. Imagine that those were consistent attacks on your family–how would that make you feel? That everyday your family was forced to suffer…?

I don’t think that Jews (in general) are responsible for the atrocities in the West Bank and Gaza. Or better put, that a person, by being Jewish, is not at all responsible for that. But some of the people who are responsible claim to be Jewish.

Food for thought.

Let’s be candid. Palestinians have suffered at the hands of muslims more then they have suffered under the hands of Israel.

 

[paarsurrey]

And also what about the one whom he got assasinated because of the poem he wrote? And the one who bertrayed him?.

Hi

Kindly be a good Catholic and quote from Quran this incidence. If you cannot quote from Quran then it has no bearing on Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Thanks

 

[Xiaahmad]

I dont hate Jews
I dislike Zionist and bad jews.

 

[R_not]

And also what about the one whom he got assasinated because of the poem he wrote? And the one who bertrayed him?

It’s more like, hey, nobody mess with the godfather and stayed alived. In any case, the OP is right. There seems to be that intrinsic non-affinity of Muslims towards the Jews. I can say this because most of my Muslim friends, and they are not Arabs, would say so when it come to the subject of Jews or anyone Jewish.

I just read paarsurrey’s post and I just don’t know how they can put a spin on mohammed’s bloodlust, and lust for slaves and booty, they way he and other muslims do.

But they do.

The history of jihad in mohammed’s time was mostly against caravans who were not equipped to fight, but mohammed probably knew that since he spent so many years on those caravans with his uncle.

The guy was one nasty fellow and that is what they call a ‘prophet’.

paarsurrey, you can spin it anyway you want - mohammed killed not only Jews and hated them, but also Christians and many many others. And when he got tired of killing them he pushed his followers to do it.

You can quote the before and after surahs but instead of doing that for us - do it for your own who sort of ‘forget to read what you are showing us’.

I wonder if the Taliban read the before and after surahs when they bombed those innocents in Mumbai OR followed mohammed’s example and attacked unarmed civilians to terrorize?!

And no massive group of muslims ANYWHERE (not in the USA, not in Canada, not in Europe, not in the Middle East, not in Turkey, not in Africa, not in Southeast Asia, Austrialia, etc - NOWHERE) went out on the streets to protest. Oh, I think there was a document put out by the unindicted co-conspirators to funding terrorists - CAIR - that maybe put out a letter saying they don’t support that violence and then went back to sending the terrorists some more money! And a few muslims who got cornered might have denied they support such a thing, but we have learned what that is - taqiyya.

 

[Reuben_J]

I dont hate Jews
I dislike Zionist and bad jews.

There you are. How many Jews are left beside that? The judgment of who are bad if expressed in general would come from the impression or prejudice that one has on the subject.

You would think all Zionists are bad? And why do you dislike them? Are not they human just like you? I don’t dislike Muslims even though we do not have the same religous belief. Why should I? They are people like me except for the difference in belief, that’s all.

 

[Xiaahmad]

I dont hate just coz they Zionist but coz what they are doing and what they want to do.

and remeber not all jews are zinoist

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey, you can spin it anyway you want - mohammed killed not only Jews and hated them, **but also Christians **and many many others. And when he got tired of killing them he pushed his followers to do it.

Hi

Which Christians did Muhammad kill? Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox or JWs; kindly quote from Quran with the context if you are truthful.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[Reuben_J]

I dont hate just coz they Zionist but coz what they are doing and what they want to do.

and remeber not all jews are zinoist

Now you are admitting you hate. You deny that in the last post.

When you say that not all Jews are Zionists and you only hate the Zionists, I heard this line before, which is more of a camouflage and a defense to make the hate looks reasonable and good. In actual fact for practical purpose you cannot differentiate the Zionist and the non-Zionist Jews. That’s why the terrorists would single out Jews during kidnapping or hijacking and execute them out of a fundamental dislike of Jews, which you categorize as Zionist.

 

[Lujack]

Anti-Israel sentiment is distinct from anti-Semitism. Now, is there wide spread anti-Semitism in the Muslim world? Yes. However, it is not the case that any anti-zionist sentiment makes one anti-Semitic. Otherwise, every Hasidic would be a anti-Semitic, and that doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Reuben_J]

Anti-Israel sentiment is distinct from anti-Semitism. Now, is there wide spread anti-Semitism in the Muslim world? Yes. However, it is not the case that any anti-zionist sentiment makes one anti-Semitic. Otherwise, every Hasidic would be a anti-Semitic, and that doesn’t make any sense.

May I know which post you are referring to?

Unless I miss something what you say do confuse me. Muslims are not anti-Semetism as far as I know becasue they have their Muslim Arab brethrens in that group.

Hasidic too are not anti-Semitic bacause of similar reason.

 

[Sister_Amy]

It got to do with the history of Islam and how it started. Despite Muslims’ denial, the only reason for Islam to exist is by standing on the platform that Judeo-Christianity is wrong.

Mohammad was opposed and betrayed by the Jews and he had long memories which naturally being passed to his successors.

The Quran is full of verses despising the Jews and Christians.

So why should the OP a surprise?

The Qur’an also honors Christians and Jews, or did you miss those verses?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Anti-Israel sentiment is distinct from anti-Semitism. Now, is there wide spread anti-Semitism in the Muslim world? Yes. However, it is not the case that any anti-zionist sentiment makes one anti-Semitic. Otherwise, every Hasidic would be a anti-Semitic, and that doesn’t make any sense.

Good post.

 

[Eucharisted]

My apologies for my rude comment.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Eucharisted, could you do me a favor and check out this site:

ifamericansknew.org

 

[Reuben_J]

Good post.

What does that mean and what it got to do with the OP? Unless you are agreeing blindly simply because his post seems to say something you like. Do you know who are the Semites and the Hasidics?