Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

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Justy90 said:
as do I, a former cradle Catholic of nearly 35 years.
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Me to for about the same amount of years. My whole family is Catholic except me. Sometimes me and my mother discuss religion. But we agree we see things different and leave it at that. Although she is proud of me for being a minister.
 
rev_kevin said:
Me to for about the same amount of years. My whole family is Catholic except me. Sometimes me and my mother discuss religion. But we agree we see things different and leave it at that. Although she is proud of me for being a minister.
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God bless you in your endeavors for God. My wife and I were married in the Catholic church as she was in RCIA. I left the Catholic church shortly thereafter and was received into the Anglican Communion as was my wife and son. She was baptized and confirmed in the Anglican church as well. I have grown in Christ in an immense way over the last few years.
 
izoid said:
If you review my posting history you will see that there are certain members that I am very hard on. I agree with that and readily admit it. When I see the same arrogance and demeaning behavior that I once possesed, as a protestant, I am quick to confront it. It is unfortunate that many of the protestants that come here do so to convert Catholics. They do not come to learn and interact, they come to preach. Even more unfortunate is that they do this in a spirit of deception and deceit. I have no tolerance for this and I address it rather quickly. So far I have been fairly accurate in my judgements as the individuals that I had the harshest disagreements with have been banned from the site.

Now, I am still trying to figure you out. There are times that I see you really trying but other times it seems that your mind is completely made up and that you may have an agenda here that goes beyond learning. I am sorry if I have made improper judgements of you but I am very weary of people that try to convert Catholics. Are we not both Christians?
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You judgments about me have been way off! but I forgive you:thumbsup:
 
Justy90 said:
God bless you in your endeavors for God. My wife and I were married in the Catholic church as she was in RCIA. I left the Catholic church shortly thereafter and was received into the Anglican Communion as was my wife and son. She was baptized and confirmed in the Anglican church as well. I have grown in Christ in an immense way over the last few years.
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If I stayed in the Catholic church, I don’t believe I would have accomplished what I have, do what I do and feel what I feel. I feel closer to God then I ever have felt. I believe this is what he wanted for me. See I was going to be a priest, but while learning I disagreed with a lot of the teachings and left. Many years later I’m a minister preaching to the elderly. I was never comfortable speaking to crowds but with God’s help I can do it and I do do it. I believe this is what he had instore for me. He didn’t want me to be a priest but a minister. If the Catholic church is the true church, why did he not make me a priest? Why make me a minister if it goes against the true church?
 
Magdalena09 said:
Not only does he “refer in a bad way to the Catholic Church”, he flat out lies about the Church… in ways that even most protestants would protest to.
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Is he an ex catholic? I have read a lot of books about different religions and the former members are usualy the harshest critics.
 
Cristian_B said:
I will assume for a moment that you are right. If I’d believe that what you say is right (which I don’t), then the descendants of Peter are spiritual, such as we are the descendants of Israel spiritually. Peter’s dynasty is a spiritual one. The descendants of Peter are not the ones in flesh, such as the descendants of Abraham and Israel are not the one in flesh, but in spirit, in the heart. I hope you understand. You know that there were popes that weren’t actually good Christians, and those weren’t descendants of Peter, though they were in flesh, or not.
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Of course! Did you think the Catholic Church taught otherwise?
Cristian_B said:
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If the Pope is not like Peter (all son has some characteristics from his father) then he is not his descendant. Because his [Peter's] descendants are not the ones in flesh, but in the heart.
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I think you are confusing the office with the individual. You are right, though, not all those who sat in the chair of Peter practiced the faith of Peter with integrity.
Cristian_B said:
One more thing. Peter himself is not the rock the Church is built on, but all the apostles. The Church was built on the apostles with the living rock being Christ: consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. (Ephesians 2:19-20) If you go that way, Peter was not the only “father” but all the apostles were; and not the successors in flesh are the apostles descendants but the ones in spirit.
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Jesus grafted Peter into Himself, and made him into a Rock. The statement Peter made is also a Rock upon which we can firmly stand. Jesus changed Simon’s name to Rock because He built His Church upon him. Peter and the other Apostles were foundation stones.
Cristian_B said:
I will give only an example: obviously, Peter didn’t like people to kneel before him, but looks like the Pope likes (if he wouldn’t, he’d tell them to stop) it when people kneel before him. If you say that they kneel before him because he is a “leader” …
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The Pope is the Vicar of Christ. He receives the honor given to him as given to Christ. He acts in the person of Christ.
Cristian_B said:
Worship God!"
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(Revelation 22:8-9) The angel tells us to worship only God. Maybe you say that you don’t “worship” him, but you surely kneel before him, which is sin.

No, Cristian. It is not a sin to kneel or to bow in front of another person. This is a cultural custom. When you study history you will find that it has nothing to do with worship. it is a sign of respect, sometimes obedience. No one worships the Pope.
Cristian_B said:
God does not want us to kneel at His creations but at Him. If we can’t worship images, what makes you think that you can kneel before a living being? Who’s the greatest: the Creator or the creation?
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People don’t “kneel before” the Pope, as much as to the office he holds. It is like a bow or a courtesy before the Queen.
 
rev_kevin said:
Thank you
No matter how you put it your stilling praying to Mary to interceed. Is not asking.
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What do you mean?

Would it make you feel better if we said we’re “talking” to Mary of Nazareth to ask her to interceed, like we’re talking to Mary Martinez from Grace Church?

Is it the word “pray” that you disapprove?

If so–and I’m guessing that it is–let’s discuss that!

Pray can have several meanings. Pray can mean 1) worship. But it can also mean 2) talk to. And it can also mean 3) ask.

We reserve 1, 2 and 3 for God; and 2 and 3 for Mary and the Saints. And even other human beings. I could say to my mother, “I pray you, Mother, to allow me to stay out late tonight.”
You are part of your family without chioce. You are a part of God’s family by chioce.
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Ok. Your point? It still is not required of me to talk to my mom, but I would really be missing out on something by not doing so.
 
Cristian_B said:
I want to reformulate: The end does not justify the means because love does not hurt. What the Catholic Church did to them was not with love, since love does not produce harm. The Apostles and God tell us to do everything in love. (Colossians 3:14)
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You are living in fantasy land, Cristian. Love hurts unto death. It was Love that resulted in our Saviour being crucified on the cross. To say that Love does not produce harm shows a lack of understanding of love. It was love that prompted the annihilation of whole communites of people by the nation of Israel.

However, I do agree that the way to advance the Kingdom of Heaven is by evangelism, not exhile or death penalty.

However, it is not useful to interpret the actions of previous eras by the values and practices of our own.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
My understanding is that the word “believes” is a weak translation, that it is more like a belief that causes one to take action. Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness, but he didn’t just believe and sit on his butt.
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So it’s not just belief, then, that’s required for salvation? Is it just belief that’s required to be called a Christian, MRL?
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
Actually ten years ago I turned to God to help me get clean and sober, I read the entire Bible without listening to outside influences, I just lets it speak to me unadulterated for the express purpose of keeping an open mind. then I began reading what the various denominations believed and I searched the scriptures to see how the Bible was used or not used to support their doctrines. I also read some Christian church History to understand. a little about the splits and schisms that have taken place and why they took place. I even read about Jehovah’s witnesses and Mormonism reading their literature. During this time I was so blessed by God that it really encouraged me to continue my search.
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This is awesome! 👍

Glad your search has brought you to CAF.
 
graceandglory said:
So.

I’m not sola scriptura. The Bible doesn’t say she sinned either. Using sola scriptura as an argument we’re 1:1.
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Ok I feel a little silly for not thinking of that. when I ask a friend to pray for me its fair to assume there arent 5 million people asking that friend to pray for them at the same time.🤷

I was thinking about prayers to Mary today and I got to thinking that I dont pray as much as I should pray so what if I split my prayers betwene God and Mary then it would be half of not enough. then I though. maybe catholics pray to God alot and then say a few words to Mary.

Would any catholics mind telling me what % of time in prayer is to God compared to Mary and the Saints? I apologize if this is to personal.
 
Dokimas said:

Are you saying you aren’t praying to Mary to help you?​

Just one place in the Gospels (or the rest of the NT) I’d love to see where Jesus (or the Apostles) encouraged us to speak to those on the otherside of the grave to pray for us.
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Anyone in the Body of Christ can help us, and we are encouraged to both give and receive that help. We are to bear one another’s burdens, and thus fulfill the Law of Christ.

The reason you will not see this in the Gospels is because of the limitations that existed prior to Jesus opening the doors of heaven (after His resurrection). Prior to His death, the saints were in “paradise” - the place of the righteous dead, known to the Jews as the 'bosom of Abraham". When Jesus ascended, He took the souls of the righteous dead with Him into heaven.

The Aposltes taught that those who die in Christ are “alive forevermore”, and that the Body of Christ is not separated - we are all members one of another, and death cannot separate us from his love.
 
Dokimas said:
YO, would it be better for me if I were part of the CC
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According to the Teaching of the Apostles, there is only One Church, and all who are members of Christ are members of His One Body, and of one another. Therefore, as a Christian whose Head is Christ you are already joined to the CC.

Of course, we would like that relationship to be formal and external, as well as invisible and mystical. 😃
 
graceandglory said:
Completely the opposite. Catholics have all of scripture to back up Mary’s perpetual virginity. Protestants who disagree with it (Most orthodox protestants believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity, btw), have one – only one word “until” that they put their faith in. All of scripture vs. one word. It doesn’t affect our salvation, but it makes scripture even that much more rich when you delve into the significance of Mary from Genesis to Revelation. I just think y’all are missing out, and I challenge you to expand your thinking beyond one little word. “until.”
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Its more than the one word. Its that Joseph took her to be is wife. The relations between husband and wife are not sinful or dirty they are beautiful. Gods word speaks of the wife sharing her body with her husband and the husband with the wife. ad to that the word “until” and the Brothers that must be made into “relatives” and all so Mary can be glorified?
 
Cristian_B said:
I just said that the Church, in the past, made some wrong stuff. Now it is not like that anymore, or is it? Of course it doesn’t kill people anymore. Therefore, I never talked about the Church in the present, and neither if it is condemned, corrupt or anything like that.
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Cristian, the Church cannot “make wrong stuff”. This is because she is protected from error by the power of the HS. Jesus promised the HS to guide her into all Truth, and that He would never leave her orphaned.

Througout history, beginning with accounts in Acts such as Ananias, Sapphira, and Simon Magus, there have been self centered persons attached to the Church that seek their own interests. These persons commit terrible sins against their fellowman, against the Church, and against God. These terrible actions separate them from the Church, just as the words of Peter confirmed to Simon.

It is wrong to blame the Holy Bride of Christ for such sins, just as it would be wrong to blame Jesus for the sins of Judas.
 
rev_kevin said:
If I stayed in the Catholic church, I don’t believe I would have accomplished what I have, do what I do and feel what I feel. I feel closer to God then I ever have felt. I believe this is what he wanted for me. See I was going to be a priest, but while learning I disagreed with a lot of the teachings and left. Many years later I’m a minister preaching to the elderly. I was never comfortable speaking to crowds but with God’s help I can do it and I do do it. I believe this is what he had instore for me. He didn’t want me to be a priest but a minister. If the Catholic church is the true church, why did he not make me a priest? Why make me a minister if it goes against the true church?
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Your having an interesting journey…May the Lord bless you and use you mightily in this next year with all that it holds…
 
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