Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

[guanophore]

Good points.

Actually Pope Pius XII taught that she did in fact die, right in the Bull Most Bountiful God (Munificentissimus Deus). Does that count?

In the sense that the little girl Jesus raised had “fallen asleep”. The essential element is the matter of physical decay, as she did no suffer from original sin, and therefore, was not subject to it’s penalty. East and West are in agreement about her falling asleep(dormitionm) and scarcely experiencing death as she passed from this life to be received by Him in the next. Great picture Hesy, thanks!

 

[izoid]

Are you kidding?

So, you feel we should judge someone based on their distant past as opposed to their current behavior? I hope you are prepared for God to do the same then.

 

[izoid]

If you are admitting your church is not perfect, then it’s not a matter of throwing stones. It’s a matter of admitting failure. I doubt that any non-catholic Christian thinks their church is infallible in the way you think your church is. We all live in glass houses. Just some don’t realize it.

Man will always make mistakes. The Church will not. You base your opinion of the institution by the behavior of some of it’s members.

Do you think that Christ will allow His Church to teach falsehood?

 

[izoid]

So this is probably how it has worked for hundreds of years both on a personal level and with whole church bodyies. If you dont agree with everything the pope says then your OUT! that way they can claim that the Holy Spirit guides all Catholics into agreement… threats to silence people who disagree does not show the strength of your positions it shows the weakness.

You are incorrect in your conclusion. Refusing to allow division and heresy in the Church is a Biblical teaching.

Let me ask, can I be a baptist if I haven’t been dunked?

 

[izoid]

I see someone has fruits of the Spirit!

I find it very self serving that the only people who display a God like attitude or “fruits” are those who oppose Catholic teaching. Makes you kinda of biased wouldn’t you say?

 

[Dokimas]

Man will always make mistakes. The Church will not. You base your opinion of the institution by the behavior of some of it’s members.

Do you think that Christ will allow His Church to teach falsehood?

We’re going round and round and round. I’m getting dizzy.

 

[izoid]

Repost what you want to say to me and I’ll try to comment.

We already worked it out a couple of days ago. I am not sure why MRL grabbed an old post and attributed it to himself.

 

[Dokimas]

We already worked it out a couple of days ago. I am not sure why MRL grabbed an old post and attributed it to himself.

Glad we could finally work something out.

 

[izoid]

We’re going round and round and round. I’m getting dizzy.

Will Christ allow His Church, whichever church you think that is, teach falsehood?

 

[Dokimas]

Will Christ allow His Church, whichever church you think that is, teach falsehood?

That’s a loaded question. It has so I guess He does and His plan will be worked out in spite of us.

 

[guanophore]

Once again thank you for the blessing.

You are welcome, dear sister in Christ. Perhaps you were so full of bliss, basking in your blessing, you forgot to answer the question?

1 Timothy 2:1: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men

James 5: 16: Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects

I do not understand why you believe these scriptures don’t apply to you.?

I would appreciate it if you stopped trying to bully Tweetymom.

No one is “bullying” Tweety. She is our dear sister in Christ. And believe me, she is a tough old bird, and is not pushed around by anyone.

She has been confronted by her disingenuous claims for months, and is able to persist in her false confession despite dozens of members of CAF begging her to stop. She is not going to be at all intimidated into anything.

• I wasn’t asking you. Please mind your business when if clearly is not yours.

If you wish for others reading the thread not to respond, you have the option of sending a PM. However, you were asking the question for a public purpose. You wanted (and got) Tweety to state that she is not representing Catholic Teachings, but her own faith. You then used this position in which you placed her to claim that no one should bring any complaints. However, your efforts were ineffective, because the fact that she shares her personal beliefs is not the problem. The problem is that she claims to be Catholic when her beliefs are not. This activity is the business of every Catholic, because it misaligns all of us, and the Church of which we are members in Christ. It gives the public the impression that one can claim to be Catholic, yet reject the Teachings of the Church. This position is an error, and we are obligated to confront error.

This is not the case, Doki. Every Catholic who misrepresents the faith will be accountable,and is accountable for causing scandal in the Church and in the world. Sure, in her soul she will answer to God only, but to the extent that she maligns and misrepresents the Catholic faith in public on a Catholic forum, she is accountable to all of us. If she wishes to be excused from this, all she has to do is stop claiming she is Catholic!

 

[guanophore]

wouldnt she have to be god to hear so many prayers from so many people?

No, humans can do whatever God enables them to do . Whatever Mary does, she does “in 'Christ”. Paul was taken up to the third heaven, and shown things that he was not even allowed to talk about!

So this is probably how it has worked for hundreds of years both on a personal level and with whole church bodyies. If you dont agree with everything the pope says then your OUT! that way they can claim that the Holy Spirit guides all Catholics into agreement… threats to silence people who disagree does not show the strength of your positions it shows the weakness.

No, not at all. Most of the teachings of the Pope do not fall within the category of what is considered infallible teaching, or binding upon Catholics. The problem with persons rejecting doctrines like the ones Tweety rejects is that they are the ones handed down to us from the Apostles. These doctrines make up what it means to be Catholic,so when they are rejected, the person is not, by definition, Catholic.

I sure do wish the HS was guiding all Catholics into agreement, but we all know this is not the case. In America, there are more dissenting Catholics like Tweety than there are those who actually accept the Apostolic faith as it was handed down to us. No, the agreement is in the doctrine. Those who embrace it are in unity, and those that do not are in disunity. Tweety rejects the doctrine.

There have been no 'threats to silence people" here. What we are pleading with our dear sister in Christ to do is to stop misrepresenting herself as one who embraces a faith she does not.

 

[tweetymom]

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable,O man, whosoever thou art that judgeest: for wherein thou judgeest another, thou condemnest thyself: for thou that judgest doest the same things.

 

[guanophore]

We’re going round and round and round. I’m getting dizzy.

I can see how this would happen, since you have been given to believe a deficient understanding of “church” as the body of believers on earth.

That’s a loaded question. It has so I guess He does and His plan will be worked out in spite of us.

Yes, He does, but His plan is also worked out in and through us. To the extent that humans walk perfectly according to His will, infallible acts can be accomplished through them, such as the writing of Scripture, healing, etc.

 

[guanophore]

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable,O man, whosoever thou art that judgeest: for wherein thou judgeest another, thou condemnest thyself: for thou that judgest doest the same things.

You are rigtht about me, Tweety. I also stood condemned for this behavior, as for many years, I claimed to be Catholic while I rejected the Teaching of the Church. It took me a long time to realize that I was actually Protesting, and was not in communion with the Church I claimed to belong to.

We are all judged by the same standard, and it is outside of ourselves, so that it will not be warped by our own perceptions. To the extent that we refuse the Teachings of the Church, each of us fail in our Catholicity. Most American Catholics don’t “get” this. They think that “cafeteria catholicism” is not a problem, and that they are still Cathlolic, but this is false.

 

[Dokimas]

I can see how this would happen, since you have been given to believe a deficient understanding of “church” as the body of believers on earth. That’s your opinion.

Yes, He does, but His plan is also worked out in and through us. To the extent that humans walk perfectly according to His will, infallible acts can be accomplished through them, such as the writing of Scripture, healing, etc. Yes and His church is FAR bigger than the CC.

I will not bring any comment to the forum leaders. I will bring my ideas to whom they belong. If you notice I did not respond to a few of your post above. IMO, the don’t require any thought or time thinking about them. I’ll respond to your posts that are helpful and good for thought.

 

[Dokimas]

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable,O man, whosoever thou art that judgeest: for wherein thou judgeest another, thou condemnest thyself: for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Ah, yes. Good point. We should stop doing those things, at least I should.

 

[Carlan]

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable,O man, whosoever thou art that judgeest: for wherein thou judgeest another, thou condemnest thyself: for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Tweety the Catholics at Answers are not judging you, when error is confirmed in a public forum such as this it causes scandal and it must be admonished as such. Can you not see that?:shrug:Carlan

 

[tweetymom]

Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable,O man, whosoever thou art that judgeest: for wherein thou judgeest another, thou condemnest thyself: for thou that judgest doest the same things.

 

[Dokimas]

[SIGN]Guanophore: You are welcome, dear sister in Christ. Perhaps you were so full of bliss, basking in your blessing, you forgot to answer the question?

1 Timothy 2:1: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men

James 5: 16: Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects

I do not understand why you believe these scriptures don’t apply to you.?[/SIGN]​

Tweetymom, I never saw that you think these verses are not for you. These are wonderful verses. They do help reveal some incomplete or wrong ideas.