Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

[peary1]

I don’t believe the RCC is a Christian place, yes Christians might be there but the RCC is not Christian itself. I use to be Catholic, I pray for Catholics to throw off their worship of mary and turn to Christ. No where in Scripture does it speak of Mary as Catholics do.

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What a liar you are! You were NEVER Catholic!! Former Catholics never make statements like that. You try to deceive.

 

[peary1]

I don’t pray to it, bow down to it, give flowers to it, have massive parades for it. Can you say the same of mary in catholic eyes?

"All generations shall call me blessed." (Luke 1:48). Where is this in your so-called tradition and following the Bible? It isn’t. Why? Because your beliefs are nonbiblical, and you try to pass them off as otherwise.

 

[Monica4316]

charsan2;6073052:

I don’t believe the RCC is a Christian place, yes Christians might be there but the RCC is not Christian itself. I use to be Catholic, I pray for Catholics to throw off their worship of mary and turn to Christ. No where in Scripture does it speak of Mary as Catholics do.

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What a liar you are! You were NEVER Catholic!! Former Catholics never make statements like that. You try to deceive.

sadly there are exCatholics who do
they usually have many misconceptions about the Church
they need our prayers

 

[peary1]

I follow Christ, not the pope or mary

Do you practice birth control? Use condoms?

 

[KathleenGee]

Being Catholic does not mean we are exclusive to Scripture…

The Bible is not all of our religion. We have Sacred Tradition, the customs and practices. Sacred Tradition incorporates the Bible.

It was the laity and not the Church Fathers who wanted to venerate Mary and did so.
St. Thomas Aquinas did not believe in the Immaculate Conception, but the Franciscans did.

It took a very, very, very long time before the Church declared Mary to be the Immaculate Virgin.

 

[KathleenGee]

Thank you, Monica…

Mary, Ark of the Covenant, Virgin Most Pure…the title that best fits her is Mother.

 

[peary1]

Than why hurt Him by going to the dead

You ignore one obvious truth: those in Christ are alive. People never die. They are alive, and they are alive because of Christ. You appear to worship a god of the dead because you refuse to acknowledge that those who have gone on before us are alive in Christ.

Catholic Christians worship the God of the living.

You are living an unbiblical lie.

 

[KathleenGee]

True…for us, death is a passing door into a new life…

I told my kids when I die, I want to pray not only for others but for them.

Just think how Mother Mary wants to pray and help us!

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Thank you, lfl,
You always approach such questions with grace and charity. Something I won’t do is condemn those who do request ntercessory prayer from Mary and the saints, if for no other reason than that it has been practiced in both east and west for many centuries, giving comfort to those who do.

Jon

Thank you Jon. So you do not believe you could find any comfort or spiritual growth by asking intercession of the saints?

Hi Lil_flower_luv (great id by the way) Great comment too. Just a question. You said you struggled with the idea that someone in Heaven besides God could hear your prayers. So, what was it that convenience you that Mary and the saints could hear your prayers? Do you think once they died they became omnipresent? Just curious.

Just and FYI - I love Mary.

Hello Jars_of_Clay! (Great id yourself!) You asked what convinced me Mary and saints could hear my prayers. Well you see, my parents always told me as a young girl that the saints in Heaven pray for me the same as the angels protect me. They said they do it because they know we could all use prayers from time to time! But I think, especially after reading, 1 Timothy 2:1: “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men”, that there is a special job in Heaven for the saints to keep praying for us until we are all united again. All that can really convince a person the saints hear our prayers is pure faith in God’s goodness. Otherwise I would have a hard time of persuading you.

1. If then we are establishing sound devotion to our Blessed Lady, it is only in order to establish devotion to our Lord more perfectly, by providing a smooth but certain way of reaching Jesus Christ. If devotion to our Lady distracted us from our Lord, we would have to reject it as an illusion of the devil. But this is far from being the case. As I have already shown and will show again later on, this devotion is necessary, simply and solely because it is a way of reaching Jesus perfectly, loving him tenderly, and serving him faithfully.

***Amen!!! ***:heaven:

 

[PRmerger]

Well you see, my parents always told me as a young girl that the saints in Heaven pray for me the same as the angels protect me.

Not to mention that the demons have quite a few powers of access to our imagination–why would God not give the holy ones in heaven a bit of the same powers that demons have?

 

[Jars_of_Clay_1]

Thank you Jon. So you do not believe you could find any comfort or spiritual growth by asking intercession of the saints?

Hello Jars_of_Clay! (Great id yourself!) You asked what convinced me Mary and saints could hear my prayers. Well you see, my parents always told me as a young girl that the saints in Heaven pray for me the same as the angels protect me. They said they do it because they know we could all use prayers from time to time! But I think, especially after reading, 1 Timothy 2:1: “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men”, that there is a special job in Heaven for the saints to keep praying for us until we are all united again. All that can really convince a person the saints hear our prayers is pure faith in God’s goodness. Otherwise I would have a hard time of persuading you.
***Amen!!! ***:heaven:

Thank you for your kind reply. Yes, you and I pray differently, but we pray. Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

 

[JonNC]

Thank you Jon. So you do not believe you could find any comfort or spiritual growth by asking intercession of the saints?

Hi lfl,
Here’s what I do know: when diagnosed with prostate cancer 4 years ago, I made it a point to read about St. Peragrine, and while I did not pray to him, knowing of how he handled his affliction gave me comfort and courage. To this day I carry his likeness in my wallet. That, to me, brought a renewed understanding of the importance of the saints as examples of faith for us to emulate.
Was this a wordless request for intercession? I don’t know, but it is what it is, and I thank God for it.

Jon

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Not to mention that the demons have quite a few powers of access to our imagination–why would God not give the holy ones in heaven a bit of the same powers that demons have?

That is so true, PRmerger! “St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle…”

Thank you for your kind reply. Yes, you and I pray differently, but we pray. Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

You’re very welcome, friend. BTW I am very glad you have a respect and love for Mary! Thank you.

In Him,
Therese

 

[lil_flower_luv]

Hi lfl,
Here’s what I do know: when diagnosed with prostate cancer 4 years ago, I made it a point to read about St. Peragrine, and while I did not pray to him, knowing of how he handled his affliction gave me comfort and courage. To this day I carry his likeness in my wallet. That, to me, brought a renewed understanding of the importance of the saints as examples of faith for us to emulate.
Was this a wordless request for intercession? I don’t know, but it is what it is, and I thank God for it.

Jon

That is so touching you looked into St. Peragrine’s life. I do believe that your great Faith compelled him to pray for you. And look what that has done! You not only grew a respect for this great saint, you were saved from your affliction! To me that is a little miracle in itself. How blessed you are, Jon!

 

[graceandglory]

I have personally known older Fundamentalist who were bordered on blasphemy in their disregard for Mary. Well, actually, Fundamentalist of all ages.
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Yes, that has been my experience here in the Pacific NW also.
Mary was my last hurdle coming back to the Catholic Church. Had a lot of fundamentalist brainwashing to undo.

Interestingly, when I was a protestant youth leader, I was assigned a topic to present to the teenagers, “The Virgin Birth.” 20 yrs ago, before internet, and with only protestant bookstores to locate resources, I could find NOTHING really on Mary and the Virgin Birth. Had to wing it using Scripture alone. Hard really to fill an hour with my own knowledge. Too bad I didn’t have Catholic resources available to me then. I also remember using some Max Lucado and Michael Card. But really, that was like serving milk to babies. Now with the fullness of the faith available to me, I couldn’t plumb the depths of the Church’s knowledge on the Virgin Birth in my lifetime.

 

[Jars_of_Clay_1]

There are some Non Catholics who have a great dislike for Mother mary. What could be the reason for this? They only quote Holy Bible saying there is no reference to any thing about her. I know someone who says show me on the Holy Bible where she is called Mother for all.

What is her relationship to the Catholics? Is she a Mother to all, if so what is the reference to this?

will appreciate some help on this.

thanks and God Bless

Hi WWolverine: I was scanning through this thread to see if there were replies that would convenience you that many non catholics do indeed like Mary. However I see more postings in this thread from Catholics vs. non Catholics, so it’s hard to evaluate if you have changed your position on this.

I came across some discussion here in this thread which folks say that they either do pray to Mary or they don’t pray to her. (I see this in many other threads too.) I for one do not pray to her. I am of the belief that prayers are directed to God - I don’t need a middleman. (I’m not asking you to prove to me why you do what you do *, nor to I want to prove to you why I do what I do. Our salvation is not at all reliant on these works.)

So here’s my question. Do you feel someone like me who is not Catholic and doesn’t pray to her, doesn’t like her because I don’t pray to her? I don’t consider her the Mother of All, but it doesn’t mean I don’t like her. I like her very much. She was a wonderful woman.

From what I can see on this forum it seems to be a major sticking point with regard to how Catholics and non Catholics feel about Mary. I would say for the most part, with few exceptions, we all pretty much like her, but our beliefs in how she is remembered vary quite a bit.*

 

[Jars_of_Clay_1]

That is so true, PRmerger! “St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle…”

You’re very welcome, friend. BTW I am very glad you have a respect and love for Mary! Thank you.

In Him,
Therese

Me too. I think we have a lot more in common with regard to our beliefs than differences. One thing I know is the Lord loved her…and I follow His lead. He is the wisest of the wise. We have a lot to learn from the King of Kings.

 

[Monica4316]

Jars of Clay,

I think for many Catholics, Mary is just such a personal/special topic that we do sometimes get defensive about her haha - well I do at least!

I understand you saying that you don’t dislike Mary though you don’t pray to her.

I also understand why Protestants generally don’t pray to her, because I used to be a Protestant. I just wanted to say that as Catholics, we believe all prayers eventually go to God, but also that “The prayer of a righteous man avails much”.

God bless.

 

[Jars_of_Clay_1]

Jars of Clay,

I think for many Catholics, Mary is just such a personal/special topic that we do sometimes get defensive about her haha - well I do at least!

I understand you saying that you don’t dislike Mary though you don’t pray to her.

I also understand why Protestants generally don’t pray to her, because I used to be a Protestant. I just wanted to say that as Catholics, we believe all prayers eventually go to God, but also that “The prayer of a righteous man avails much”.

God bless.

Hi Monica4316 - I really like this thread. Ideas and beliefs shared and not shot down! I totally hear you and completely agree with you about the prayer of a righteous man.

Mary is a woman to be defended - for sure!

 

[Monica4316]

Hi Monica4316 - I really like this thread. Ideas and beliefs shared and not shot down! I totally hear you and completely agree with you about the prayer of a righteous man.

Mary is a woman to be defended - for sure!