Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

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izoid:
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  1. I don’t think it was the norm for a teenager to be pregnant and unmarried.
    If they knew that she was pregnant she would have been stoned to death.
    Is it alright for a unmarried person to be pregnant?
    Doesn’t that go agains everything the Catholics stand for?
  2. I can’t tell you what to believe. Just because I don’t doesn’t mean you don’t. See I’m not like that. I don’t say you have to believe what I believe because I say so. But that is what is being said to us.
 
rev_kevin said:
  1. I don’t think it was the norm for a teenager to be pregnant and unmarried.
    If they knew that she was pregnant she would have been stoned to death.
    Is it alright for a unmarried person to be pregnant?
    Doesn’t that go agains everything the Catholics stand for?
  2. I can’t tell you what to believe. Just because I don’t doesn’t mean you don’t. See I’m not like that. I don’t say you have to believe what I believe because I say so. But that is what is being said to us.
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So God wants many seperate Churches?
 
rev_kevin said:
Well it has been said time and time again that we, non-Catholics, need to educate ourselves on the Catholic faith, so that is what I’m doing.
You know the answer to the frist question.
You know the answer to the second question.
Its been hashed out countless times here so I believe you already know the answer to the questions yourself.
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I certainly do know the answer to both but I will remind you of your post.
rev_kevin said:
  1. What I’m trying to get at is to educate the Non-Catholics about the Dogma of Mary and why the Catholics believe that she never had relations with her husband Joseph.
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For the sake of the NON Catholic, why do we believe what we do about Mary? Is it not because it is true?
 
rev_kevin said:
Is it alright for a unmarried person to be pregnant?
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There is nothing objectively wrong with being unmarried and pregnant. 🤷

Of course, if one engaged in sexual intercourse prior to being married then that would, naturally, be immoral.
  1. I can’t tell you what to believe. Just because I don’t doesn’t mean you don’t. See I’m not like that. I don’t say you have to believe what I believe because I say so. But that is what is being said to us.
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Really, kev? You are ok with a 56 year old pastor marrying a 14 yr old child? You wouldn’t have a problem with a Christian proclaiming that Blacks cannot go to heaven? You are ok with a Christian saying that Mary is the 4th person of the Trinity?
 
PRmerger said:
By guiding us as we search the Scriptures and by letting God’s Word speak to us individually.
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That is the Holy Spirit working through us when we open up through Faith… The book is where we see the words. The Holy Spirit works through our Faith. Our free will gives us the choice to pick up the book or not, our Faith is more important than the book.
 
rev_kevin said:
God whats us to believe in him, to love our neighbors. to strive to be as much like him as possible. It has nothing to do with a Church.
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If it has nothing to do with the Church, why did Christ establish a Church. Why did He call It His Bride? Why did He Himself say He was the head?
 
rev_kevin said:
God whats us to believe in him, to love our neighbors. to strive to be as much like him as possible. It has nothing to do with a Church.
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So why do I have to waste my time going ot confession, getting communio, going to mass on sunday???
 
izoid said:
I certainly do know the answer to both but I will remind you of your post.

For the sake of the NON Catholic, why do we believe what we do about Mary? Is it not because it is true?
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If you know the answer then way ask the question.

What is true to one may not be true to the other.
 
TEPO said:
How does the holy sp;irit work through the bible?
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Happy you ask.
The Holy Spirit co-authored the Bible:)
The Bible is a personal loveletter from God* to you.*
Its the heart of the Church and the most important document we have about the sayings and doings of Jesus our Precious Saviour.
I am sorry you have never experienced how the Holy Spirit speaks to your heart and opens your eyes to understand the deeper meaning of Scripture.

He has touched me most profoundly through it. He used it to speak to me, to warn me, to tell other people something they needed to hear at a certain moment. When we study Scripture enough to memorize it, God can use it if He wants to give people a prophetic word through us.
As for me I felt the Holy Spirit made me super-remember things that I had only read 2-3 times, and my memory is quite bad.

While growing up as a nominal Protestant, the Bible was a dry and confusing book to me. A story from 2000 years ago. When I met Jesus personally He opened my eyes so I could both read and understand the Bible in a way I never had before. The stories and points in the Bible became *contemporary *and absolutely relevant for me.

As the Church teaches; The Bible is sufficient for salvation. This is of course because it teaches everything that pertains to our salvation. But reading Scripture would benefit us nothing if the Holy Spirit was not working in our hearts while we read. The letter makes dead, its the Spirit that makes life.

When we read and meditate on the word of God, He makes our hearts soft and the eyes of our souls open. We are transformed from glory to Glory, as its written.
The Word of God does not return without effect.

Peace
 
rev_kevin said:
If you know the answer then way ask the question.

What is true to one may not be true to the other.
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I was responding to your answer. You said you were educating Non Catholics. I would like to know what that education entailed. You see, I am Catholic so according to #3 of your post you were not speaking to me. I am interested in know why you think we believe what we do. That’s all. 🤷

Ah…relativism. I understand you much better now.
 
I say those who waste their time trying to interpret the bible word for word, while ignoring the Holy S;pirit as their guide, are defeating their own purpose… If you call for God He will come… As the Catholic church has done, now we listen to God, while we read his Book.
 
izoid said:
If it has nothing to do with the Church, why did Christ establish a Church. Why did He call It His Bride? Why did He Himself say He was the head?
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It was in response to " so God wants many seprerate churches?"
He was the head of the church which is Christ himself.
 
GraceDK said:
Happy you ask.
The Holy Spirit co-authored the Bible:)
The Bible is a personal loveletter from God* to you.*
Its the heart of the Church and the most important document we have about the sayings and doings of Jesus our Precious Saviour.
I am sorry you have never experienced how the Holy Spirit speaks to your heart and opens your eyes to understand the deeper meaning of Scripture.

He has touched me most profoundly through it. He used it to speak to me, to warn me, to tell other people something they needed to hear at a certain moment. When we study Scripture enough to memorize it, God can use it if He wants to give people a prophetic word through us.
As for me I felt the Holy Spirit made me super-remember things that I had only read 2-3 times, and my memory is quite bad.

While growing up as a nominal Protestant, the Bible was a dry and confusing book to me. A story from 2000 years ago. When I met Jesus personally He opened my eyes so I could both read and understand the Bible in a way I never had before. The stories and points in the Bible became *contemporary *and absolutely relevant for me.

As the Church teaches; The Bible is sufficient for salvation. This is of course because it teaches everything that pertains to our salvation. But reading Scripture would benefit us nothing if the Holy Spirit was not working in our hearts while we read. The letter makes dead, its the Spirit that makes life.

When we read and meditate on the word of God, He makes our hearts soft and the eyes of our souls open. We are transformed from glory to Glory, as its written.
The Word of God does not return without effect.

Peace
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It’s funny you talk like this now, saying the Holy Spirit speaks to our hearts and opens our eyes… But when the Catholic Church says these things about Mary --well, everyone laughs in her face… They say -oh no,no,no… Thats not in the bible.
 
izoid said:
I was responding to your answer. You said you were educating Non Catholics. I would like to know what that education entailed. You see, I am Catholic so according to #3 of your post you were not speaking to me. I am interested in know why you think we believe what we do. That’s all. 🤷

Ah…relativism. I understand you much better now.
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What I think don’t matter its what you think.
 
rev_kevin said:
response to post 369
  1. I don’t think it was the norm for a teenager to be pregnant and unmarried.
    If they knew that she was pregnant she would have been stoned to death.
    Is it alright for a unmarried person to be pregnant?
    Doesn’t that go agains everything the Catholics stand for?
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That was my point exactly. It would have been very difficult for people to not know as you claimed in an earlier post.

Absolutely not OK for non married people to be pregnant. Who do you think Mary was married to?

It should go against everything that ALL Christians stand for. DOes it not?
 
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