YOu are correct but if your mind can grasp the incarnation and the substitutionary atonement of Christ you can certainly grasp the idea that Mary remained ever virgin. THe simple truth is that you don’t like the doctrine and have chosen to deny it. It has nothing to do with understanding, it is willful denial.
THey have to tear down Catholicism and our love for and devotions to Mary are an easy target in their minds. It is amazing how these denominations feel it so necessary to judge Catholics and their beliefs. They are the breakaway element from the norm and they throw around accusations like our beliefs are the new ones.I cant believe these other “denominations” main objectives are nothing more than differences in opinion on whether Mary had sex.
They left the Church to prove senseless claims like this ?
Why the need to portray Mary as an average sinner? Why?
I just can’t buy that a married couple will not have relations. I see no evidence in the Bible that say she was. I see “until” her “first son” was born. But I see nowhere where it says she remained a virgin all through her life. If you were married, I don’t know if you are or not, and your spose wouldn’t have relations with you, would you think that was normal? Would it be normal?
This is nothing but common wording used if a non-Catholic questions things about the Catholic faith. All of a sudden we are judging you, we make it a target because its easy, Then it starts with the putting down the other denominations because we haven’t been around as long as you have. We don’t have the Holy Spirit in us, we don’t know Jesus because we don’t believe the way you do. We make accusations and can’t back them up. But when we do you say it means something eles. And then silence.THey have to tear down Catholicism and our love for and devotions to Mary are an easy target in their minds. It is amazing how these denominations feel it so necessary to judge Catholics and their beliefs. They are the breakaway element from the norm and they throw around accusations like our beliefs are the new ones.
Your accusations come from your personal interpretation of scripture and you think we should accept your interpretation over Catholic Church teaching. Unless you are infallible, there is no reason for us to trade the Catholic Church for you.
You are putting words in my mouth so please don’t do that. I never said that I wanted anyone to accept my interpretation. I never said I was infalible. Thats your personal interpretation and a wrong one at that. You just can’t handle someone with a different view. Now lets stop the attacks and get on with the subject at hand.
Well, then, the understanding is that you’re fallible.
I was trying to say that maybe the person that referred to Mary as a vessel, someone you said you knew, that perhaps they had these Scriptures in mind and they did not mean it in a demeaning manner.Hmmm…I wish you would have explained what you were trying to get at with these two passages.
Are you trying to say that you agree that a mother is nothing more than a vessel to carry children? Or are you trying to show that sometimes the Bible compares people to inanimate objects to arrive at a point (Jesus is a vine, etc.)?
They’re two different things, which is why I’m confused.
Maybe it’s all the mashed potatoes I ate…makes my brain work slower.
Ther was no attack. You are overreacting. To me it is a logical conclusion in any argument is to prove your point is right and your opponents point is wrong. That being said, the only reason I can think for a Protestant to come to a Catholic forum is to tell us Catholics that our Faith is wrong. I accept that there are probably exceptions to this rule, but from what I’ve read from some posts on this forum I think they are rare. As for not being able to handle someone with a different view, I could say the same of you or you wouldn’t have been so testy in your response. Please, endeavor to become as good a Baptist as you can be. I will try to become as good a Catholic as I can be.
rev, where does it say Mary and Joseph were married? Betrothed, yes, but married. In light of 1 Corinthians 7:36-38 (RSV-CE)
Where in Scripture does it say Joseph was not also a virgin, for that matter. Be careful that you don’t put your own desires and failings into Scripture where Scripture is silent.
Fallible:adj.: liable to err or be erroneous. {even experts are falible} {a fallible generatization} {Medieval Latin fallibilis, from Latin fallere, “to deceive” fallibility,n, fallibly, adv.
Indeed.
I come here to have a nice adult discussion on our differences in beliefs. I am not trying to turn anyone away from their religion. And yes they were attacks. Do you look at the things said about the non-Catholics here. It goes both ways.
This is an interesting take on the situation.
This is a good post. Thank you.
See my post #419 for my answer to the question.
Hi Jon,
Common huh? Have you ever read any of the books about how to witness to Catholics? Have you ever come across protestant Sunday School classes on witnessing and had Catholics included as a group to witness to? Have you ever seen the Jack Chick tracts? Have you ever read John MAcArthur on the Catholic Church? Did you click on the link in this thread?
So now Mary is living in sin.The mother of God who was born without sin you are calling her a sinner. Lets see, she is a unmarried, pregnant teenager, living in sin with a man who is not her husband. Are you sure you want to stick with “where does it say Mary and Joseph were married thing?” You are questioning if Mary was indeed a married woman?
The Barna Research Group is an evangelical leaning research organization. George Barna works closely with the large seeker oriented evangelical churches in the development of meaningful outreach programs. I have seen George Barna several times at conventions at Willow Creek and Saddleback. He is certainly not unbiased n his theological views.
